Jim, You seem a little ashamed of your kayak being plastic. Let me tell you a story. I went on a coastal paddle with about 7 other kayakers this one time. Along the 9 NM paddle up the coast, we had a strong tail wind. As we ate lunch on the beach, the wind got a hell of a lot worse. Then we all launched to head back down the coast against the wind. After about a 1/2 mile, everyone but me decided to turn around and take a taxi back to the cars. For three hours I slugged it out alone in a strong head wind with large waves breaking over my deck. Finishing the paddle was a glorious moment, despite the misery I was in from the painful blisters on my hands and my sore muscles and joints. I was the only one in that group with a plastic kayak. Everyone else had fiberglass, and there were even a few carbon fiber paddles in the group. I was using a cheap and heavy Aqua-Bound paddle. One guy even had a new Current Designs Extreme kayak and a carbon fiber paddle. It all goes to show that 90% of performance is in the kayaker, not the kayak. So take that plastic kayak of yours, be proud of it, and kick some ass! Duane Strosaker <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea Kayaker</A> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/20/00 7:35:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, Strosaker_at_aol.com writes: << Finishing the paddle was a glorious moment, despite the misery I was in from the painful blisters on my hands and my sore muscles and joints. >> Let me tell a story. I took part in a 120 mile Sea Kayak race in Southeast Alaska. One entry used a plastic sea kayak. He finessed last, a half a day after the last male paddler. As he exited the boat he swore he would never step foot in a plastic kayak again. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At different times I've been on both ends of Duane's story. 90% may be a tad low. Get something that floats and go !!!! You have the rest of your life to get the fancy stuff. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <Strosaker_at_aol.com> To: <gse98_at_sprynet.com>; <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Boat-Let Me Tell a Story > > It all goes to show that 90% of performance is in the kayaker, not the kayak. > > So take that plastic kayak of yours, be proud of it, and kick some ass! > > Duane Strosaker > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea > Kayaker</A> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 1:52:58 AM, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: >As he exited the boat he swore he would never >step foot in a plastic kayak again. And your point here is?? Scott Lost in the subtropics *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 3:10:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, MadPoodle_at_aol.com writes: << >As he exited the boat he swore he would never >step foot in a plastic kayak again. And your point here is?? >> Point? You want a point? Its all about I have the right boat and you don't. ( I smile when I say this but with a sarcastic and condensing look) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 2:12:27 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: << In a message dated 1/21/00 3:10:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, MadPoodle_at_aol.com writes: << >As he exited the boat he swore he would never >step foot in a plastic kayak again. And your point here is?? >> Point? You want a point? Its all about I have the right boat and you don't. ( I smile when I say this but with a sarcastic and condensing look) >> MadPoodle, It would appear as though posturing is taking placing between the two Californians. Does a laid back Florida dude really want to get between two Californians? The Southern variety can be quite vicious. Paddle on my Florida brother and leave them in your "No Wake Zone." "If you believe anything that I say, then believe me when I say, believe nothing that I say." Me as far as I know. Bruce McC WEO www.wholeearthoutfitters.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Tom, That guy who was last in that 120 mile race was probably blaming his boat for his own deficiencies. I don't care if you have the fastest boat in the world, you aren't going to win any races in it unless you are a good paddler. A good paddler in a bad boat will out perform a bad paddler in a good boat any day. The most important performance feature is the not the kayak but rather the kayaker. A good boat only helps. Duane Strosaker <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea Kayaker</A> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 9:09:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: << In a message dated 1/21/00 3:10:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, MadPoodle_at_aol.com writes: << >As he exited the boat he swore he would never >step foot in a plastic kayak again. And your point here is?? >> Point? You want a point? Its all about I have the right boat and you don't. ( I smile when I say this but with a sarcastic and condensing look) >> Isn't it a shame that when one wants to be sarcastic and condescending about plastic boats, that one ends up with milk on one's face! :) Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 3:45:42 PM !!!First Boot!!!, dkruger_at_pacifier.com writes: << For better or worse, Tomckayak is a Northwesterner -- out of Edmonds (near Seattle), I believe. As a former Southern Californian, I guess I should resemble <sic; giggle> your remark, but I had the mandatory frontal lobotomy as I crossed the CA/OR border into this nasty, rainy place -- which, I might add, is infesteed with homicidal loggers and terminal gerontologis >> Mr. Dave, Apologies and condolences. It was real cold this morning and getting colder. My wife said that it may drop into the twenties this evening. As a "Floridian" for twenty-five of my forty-three years, I suffer cerebral flatulence when the red on the thermometer turns blue. We had hoped that my recent eyeserectumy would help. We are still optimistic. For those of you that are unfamiliar with the procedure, during an eyeserectumy the surgeon severs the nerve that runs from your eyeball to your butthole so that you don't have such a crappy outlook on life. Paddling, for therapy, Bruce McC WEO www.wholeearthoutfitters.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>In a message dated 1/21/00 1:52:58 AM, Tomckayak_at_aol.com writes: > >>As he exited the boat he swore he would never >>step foot in a plastic kayak again. > > Hmmmm..... every time Eye step foot into my old friend SeaLion I am really smoothed out to be on the water again. I don't paddle big swells, big wind, or big surf. I might make 20 miles on a good day, and still have time for breakfast, a mid-day nap, and get a supper fire going before sundown . I don't carry flares, or electronic beacons of any kind, but I always carry a Dutch Oven with a few fixin's. I do carry a weather radio, but it seems not as accurate as my own weather sense. I don't race, so if I'm going too slow for ya just paddle on around. Better yet, let's put to ground, make a pot of coffee, and visit awhile. My deck isn't cluttered with anything but some light tackle fishing gear now and then. I don't battle the elements I bathe in them ...water, wind, rain, sunshine, and firmament ....oh, yeah and a hammock ! ...adieu ...Peyton (Louisiana) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:11 AM 01/21/2000 -0600, gpwecho_at_juno.com wrote: (snipperoonie) >I don't battle the elements I bathe in them ...water, >wind, rain, sunshine, and firmament ....oh, yeah and a hammock ! >...adieu ...Peyton (Louisiana) Amen Brother Peyton! When the goin' gets tough, the tough may get goin', but the wise sit home in front of the fire and sip whisky ;-) ByeBye! S. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01/21/2000 11:39:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, gpwecho_at_juno.com writes: << Hmmmm..... every time Eye step foot into my old friend SeaLion I am really smoothed out to be on the water again. I don't paddle big swells, big wind, or big surf. I might make 20 miles on a good day, and still have time for breakfast, a mid-day nap, and get a supper fire going before sundown . .. so if I'm going too slow for ya just paddle on around. Better yet, let's put to ground, make a pot of coffee, and visit awhile. ... I don't battle the elements I bathe in them ...water, wind, rain, sunshine, and firmament ....oh, yeah and a hammock ! ...adieu ...Peyton (Louisiana) >> Aaaaah, my kind of paddling companion :) Sandy Kramer, who has a glass boat, but prefers putzing around on her plastic SOT in Miami where it's a real chilly 55-60 degrees or thereabouts (of course it's much warmer when I stand in the sun.) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jim, Two cents I wanted to throw in: 1. Your first kayak (or bike or whatever) should not be a work of art. It should be a practical thing to learn with. The plastic Atlantis was designed as a beginner/intermediate boat so you didn't choose badly. Choice of boats is a really personal thing. Though I own a 40 pound wood kayak, I have enjoyed paddling a plastic Carolina and, 2. There is a time and a place for a heavy and durable boat. With a plastic boat you will not grimace every time you run over a submerged thorn or twig, as I do in my wood and fiberglass canoe. You can run up on beaches with less worry than most boaters. And a 65 pound boat can be preferable to a 30 pound boat when the sea gets nasty. Actually when you'll regret not spending a couple thousand is when you have to put the thing on top of a van or 4WD truck. But if you always paddle with friends that becomes much less of an issue. jerry. At 10:34 PM 01/20/2000 -0500, Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: >Jim, > >You seem a little ashamed of your kayak being plastic. > >Let me tell you a story. > >I went on a coastal paddle with about 7 other kayakers this one time. Along >the 9 NM paddle up the coast, we had a strong tail wind. As we ate lunch on >the beach, the wind got a hell of a lot worse. Then we all launched to head >back down the coast against the wind. After about a 1/2 mile, everyone but >me decided to turn around and take a taxi back to the cars. > >For three hours I slugged it out alone in a strong head wind with large waves >breaking over my deck. Finishing the paddle was a glorious moment, despite >the misery I was in from the painful blisters on my hands and my sore muscles >and joints. > >I was the only one in that group with a plastic kayak. Everyone else had >fiberglass, and there were even a few carbon fiber paddles in the group. I >was using a cheap and heavy Aqua-Bound paddle. One guy even had a new >Current Designs Extreme kayak and a carbon fiber paddle. > >It all goes to show that 90% of performance is in the kayaker, not the kayak. > >So take that plastic kayak of yours, be proud of it, and kick some ass! > >Duane Strosaker > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea >Kayaker</A> > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I really like this quote - where did you get it from??? Joan > > "If you believe anything that I say, then believe me when I say, > believe > nothing that I say." > Me as far as I know. > > Bruce McC > WEO > www.wholeearthoutfitters.com > > ************************************************************************* ** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author > and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************* ** ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/00 9:01:48 AM, Tom ckayak spouts: >Point? You want a point? > Its all about I have the right boat and you don't. Yo, Duuuuude, ya really need to cut out that whole Seattle mega-doses of caffeine thing there ehh brahh? Its really starting to affect ya.... >( I smile when I say >this but with a sarcastic and condensing look) Condensing? Hmm, that explains it, I was really wondering where the drip (s) came from... Scott Putting on the wetsuit, launching the tupperware, and heading out for a paddle. Gotta see what the heck y'all are talking bout with that cold paddling stuff.... Hmm, wonder if they sell pogies down here? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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