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From: Dana VerHague <sealion60_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
  Thanks to all for the advice for rolling.  I was
under the impression that it was much easier to do. 
My instructor made it sound so simple, and I also took
it light.  My real attempts begin now and I wont be so
frustrated (frightened) after knowing what really is
to be expected.

Dana



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From: Tanaka, Wesley K. <wesley_tanaka_at_merck.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:17:11 -0400
Dana-
It took a little over one year for me to learn how to do a screw roll- 12
months without an instructor and one pool session last February with an
excellent instructor (Gabriel Romeu are you listening?). During those 12
months I went to 2 open pool sessions (without instructor), and worked on a
roll during about 6 sessions in a lake. OK- so I'm stubborn, but the videos
make it look so easy. I worked up to a serviceable Pawlata  roll and
sculling brace but couldn't even begin to figure out the screw roll. I had
all the pieces I need for a roll. Gabriel helped put all the pieces together
for me. 
Last weekend after watching me practice my rolls, my wife decided she wanted
to learn how to roll her kayak (side note- big mistake). She was OK with her
head under the water while holding my hands. And she said she was OK with
the idea of letting go of my hands for a few seconds. But I don't think she
was ready for what it was going to feel like. The second I let go of her
hands she panicked. My wife is an excellent swimmer, SCUBA dives, and is
usually very comfortable in the water. Maybe next time I'll bring her SCUBA
mask- and a qualified instructor.

WesT 

 
          

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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:36:03 -0400
"Tanaka, Wesley K." wrote:
> 
> Dana-
> It took a little over one year for me to learn how to do a screw roll- 12
> months without an instructor and one pool session last February with an
> excellent instructor (Gabriel Romeu are you listening?). During those 12
> months I went to 2 open pool sessions (without instructor), and worked on a
> roll during about 6 sessions in a lake. OK- so I'm stubborn, but the videos
> make it look so easy. I worked up to a serviceable Pawlata  roll and
> sculling brace but couldn't even begin to figure out the screw roll. I had
> all the pieces I need for a roll. Gabriel helped put all the pieces together
> for me.

I have to put in a bit of a disclaimer here.  Wes had this amazing
sculling brace that took him from an inverted position to sitting up- in
slow motion!  Really nice to watch.  With that sort of sense of paddle
position and 'center', he was there.  All that was needed was an extra
set of eyes to observe and critique.  I really didn't do much.
It illustrates that all the exercises that contribute to a sensitivity
of your boat, as in the sculling brace, are all valuable in all the
other skills associated with boat control including the roll.

I think it is a very good exercise to learn a roll Dana, there is a lot
of other stuff to work on which will aid you in developing one.   


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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_bestweb.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:59:05 est
Wes,
  If Kathy is comfortable diving in her mask, then it will make a huge difference
for her to have it during rolling practice (I predict!).
   Best,
       Bob V
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From: Kirk Olsen <kolsen_at_imagelan.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Dana VerHague wrote:

>   Thanks to all for the advice for rolling.  I was
> under the impression that it was much easier to do. 
> My instructor made it sound so simple, and I also took
> it light.  My real attempts begin now and I wont be so
> frustrated (frightened) after knowing what really is
> to be expected.

Rolling is like a driving a car.

With practice it becomes second nature, and feels easy.
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:40 -0700
Dana, don't let these nattering nabobs of negativity get you down.
My brother (just a new roller himself) tried to show me how to roll during a
2 hour pool session. I was not making it but was getting my head out of the
water before splashing back in. An expert roller came by and said "try to
wipe your nose with your bicep during the roll". I have been rolling ever
since and made the first one I tried on my off side (I paddle opposite
feather from my handedness--but that's a very obscure reference and another
story).

Several years later I was going to help a couple of friends learn to roll
and with us all in our kayaks had demonstrated rolling a couple of times.
Somebody else needed to talk to me so I was distracted for a few seconds and
when I turned back around to start the lesson again Lowell said: "I did it".
I said: "did what". He said: "Eskimo rolled". I said: "yeah, right" and the
other guy said: "no he did it, I saw him". Lowell was wet. I was sorry I
just missed seeing the only guy I have heard of to roll on their first try.
It did take him a little while to do it again though. I'd like to take some
credit for this but I hadn't had a chance to even really start the lesson
yet.

Rob gave you some real good advice. Paddle flat on the surface (slap it to
make sure) not angled up (that will just stall it and you need it to
fly--slice sideways--fast not stall and sink). Relax, hold the paddle very
loosely, your wrist on the roll side should be limp. Lead the paddle shaft
with your wrist. Don't try to control it or the blade angle, let it glide on
its own glide path near (but not on) the surface, your hand acting more like
a rope pulling the glider from your wrist. You can practice this on the
surface doing sculling high brace type strokes while letting your limp wrist
flop back and forth (remember loose hand encircling the shaft but not
gripping it) as you lead with the wrist.

Once in the upside down and bent way forward at the waist starting position
for this roll (with the paddle blade as far forward as you can hold it),
rotate your torso even further in the direction it is already twisted in and
stretch out as far as you can as you sweep the paddle blade. Sweep the blade
in as wide an arc and as far away from you as you possibly can. With the
straight outstretched arm wipe your bicep across your face, pushing your
head all the way back against the back deck with that outstretched bicep in
your face. Almost all learners do just the opposite and pull all their
muscles (especially the biceps) inward towards their body in an attempt to
force themselves up and lift themselves out of the water like doing a
pull-up. It is hard to break them of this habit and they insist on
practicing it over and over. Stretch outward as far as you can keeping your
arms straight, do not pull inward towards your trunk! (Repeat this a dozen
times aloud). Don't pull down until very late in the sweep (if at all--done
right you don't need to pull down intentionally at all). Never pull the
blade downward (or hip-snap) until the paddle is out at least to
perpendicular to the boat. Actually I'd forget the term "hip-snap" (it is
hard to imagine) just pull the kayak around with the thigh and knee that's
on the same side of your body as the hand closest to the sweeping blade.
When the paddle is at least to perpendicular think "knee pull" to rotate the
kayak (although you have already rotated it a lot just by reaching as far
out as can as you sweep the blade around on its glide path).

Don't try to picture in your mind what you are going to do you will just get
confused and mess up your body. Think about that one single thing the
instructor should ask you to concentrate on during the next try. Reject any
critique of what you have done wrong, you don't want to hear it (more
nattering nabobs). The instructor should do his critique silently and only
give you that one instruction you need to concentrate on the most to get
over the problems you are having.

Instructors vary in technique here, but I like using the tip-over on the
same side as you will roll up on as a wind-up for the roll (discussed in an
earlier post). Tipping over on the opposite side can come later (to make it
a complete "roll"--I don't know why, but this is important to some people,
seems like semantics to me). Early on it just confuses you to tip over on
one side and try to roll up on the other. Success is going from upside down
to right-side up, it don't much matter which side you tipped over on. Once
you can do that, learning other tricks, refinements, or other rolls is
usually quite easy.
I'd also start with the Pawlata roll because it is easier (one hand holding
the end of the paddle blade--it makes the other blade sweep in an even
bigger arc giving you more time and leverage--and keeps that in hand blade
from causing trouble). I much prefer doing preliminary exercises with the
paddle in the students hand rather than gripping the poolside (I think you
pick up bad habits along with the good ones if you hands are not on the
paddle while practicing "hip-snaps" (or "knee pulls"). I like a flat board
float of about 1/4 cubic foot of buoyancy (12x12x3 or 12x18x2, etc.) on the
end of the paddle to start with. A good instructor can stand behind you and
hold up the paddle shaft to help you out a bit and guide you through the
sweep at first, but if you're trying this on your own or with rolling
friends (who aren't regular instructors) helping you out--use the flat float
at first. If you use the float remember slow-motion and as little effort as
possible.

One final rule: Never ever try to teach your spouse to roll!

Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com


>>From: Dana VerHague <sealion60_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: [Paddlewise] eskimo roll

  Thanks to all for the advice for rolling.  I was
under the impression that it was much easier to do.
My instructor made it sound so simple, and I also took
it light.  My real attempts begin now and I wont be so
frustrated (frightened) after knowing what really is
to be expected.

Dana<<



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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:55:13 -0700
Matt Broze wrote:

> Several years later I was going to help a couple of friends learn to roll
> and with us all in our kayaks had demonstrated rolling a couple of times.
> Somebody else needed to talk to me so I was distracted for a few seconds and
> when I turned back around to start the lesson again Lowell said: "I did it".
> I said: "did what". He said: "Eskimo rolled". I said: "yeah, right" and the
> other guy said: "no he did it, I saw him". Lowell was wet. I was sorry I
> just missed seeing the only guy I have heard of to roll on their first try.
> It did take him a little while to do it again though. I'd like to take some
> credit for this but I hadn't had a chance to even really start the lesson
> yet.

Chuck Sutherland, our Northeast paddling guru, tells a story of leading
a trip one day with some beginners when one of them asked him about
Eskimo rolling.  Chuck, while paddling along, described the fundamentals
of roll, not even actually demonstrating one or going through any of the
actual setup motions, finish, etc.  The guy said "OK" and proceded to
roll right on the spot!  Chuck was stunned having never seen anything
like it before.  Turns out the guy was an accomplished gymnast with
pretty much total body control and an ability to pick up on just a
verbal description of some movement as he might some exercises on
parallel bars or other such stock of his trade.

ralph diaz
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From: Rob Cookson <rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:58:52 -0700
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Matt Broze

>
> Dana, don't let these nattering nabobs of negativity get you down.

Negative???  Oh do you mean when I said it took me forever to learn to roll?
Well, that is meant to be as encouraging as discouraging but I guess it
needs some context.  I am a basically a self taught roller (some friends
gave me some pointers) and I learned in springtime in the freezing cold
lakes and ocean in Maine.  So a rolling session would amount to flailing,
bottom bracing, sometimes swimming, and always an ice-cream headache.  I
didn't have a hood, just a wool cap.  I could roll some days and others I
couldn't but nothing was very consistent, then one day as I was out flailing
around one of my kayaking buddies (who was sitting on shore drinking beer)
yelled "hey, keep your elbow down" and that was it, boom WOW!!!! that was so
easy!!! I spent the next hour or more rolling and rolling, and my roll has
never left me since that day.

Now why should that be encouraging?  If you want to roll, really want to
roll and stick with it you will get it.  It takes some of us longer than
others.  Just because your Aunt Mabel got her hand-roll in an hour doesn't
mean you will.  Get good instruction and keep trying.

Now here is something more encouraging.  In the Advanced program I teach 80%
of the students can perform some kind of roll after 3 pool sessions.  That's
pretty good in my mind.  Some of them will never work on it again and others
will bombproof it.

So what separates the 80% from the 20%?  If I had to pick one single thing I
would say composure.  Relax!  If you are freaked out underwater it is really
hard to learn to roll, even if you are not freaked out if your body is tense
it's hard to roll.  Oh yeah, and none of these folks are teenagers, so don't
let age be an excuse either.

Instructional techniques have improved vastly in the last 15 years.  When I
started boating, people told me rolling was hard.  I tell students rolling
is easy, and it is.  Some students learn how to roll in 10 minutes others
may take hours of instruction, we all learn at our own rate.  If you want to
roll you will.

A good instructor makes a huge difference.  If you must teach yourself
because of a lack of instructors go for it, but if there is instruction
available get some.  One of the things I don't like to hear from a new
student is "I've been trying to teach myself to roll all winter".  What that
usually means is that they have committed every conceivable bad habit to
muscle memory, and instead of beginning with a fresh canvas I have to strip
of a bunch of old paint.



> My brother (just a new roller himself) tried to show me how to
> roll during a
> 2 hour pool session. I was not making it but was getting my head
> out of the
> water before splashing back in. An expert roller came by and said "try to
> wipe your nose with your bicep during the roll".

Yes!  I like it!  That is a great phrase!


<SNIP>

> Several years later I was going to help a couple of friends learn to roll
> and with us all in our kayaks had demonstrated rolling a couple of times.
> Somebody else needed to talk to me so I was distracted for a few
> seconds and
> when I turned back around to start the lesson again Lowell said:
> "I did it".
> I said: "did what". He said: "Eskimo rolled". I said: "yeah,
> right" and the
> other guy said: "no he did it, I saw him". Lowell was wet. I was sorry I
> just missed seeing the only guy I have heard of to roll on their
> first try.

Disgusting isn't it?  I've had some students get a roll in the first 15
minutes and go on to having a hand roll within the hour.  Took me a long
time to get a hand-roll, makes me a little green.

Matt gives a lot of great advice below.  I'm going to snip it to pieces to
save space.



> You can practice this on the
> surface doing sculling high brace type strokes while letting your
> limp wrist
> flop back and forth (remember loose hand encircling the shaft but not
> gripping it) as you lead with the wrist.

This right side up practice is very important.  Why not learn as much of the
roll as possible with your head out of water?



Almost all learners do just the opposite and pull all their
> muscles (especially the biceps) inward towards their body in an attempt to
> force themselves up and lift themselves out of the water like doing a
> pull-up. It is hard to break them of this habit and they insist on
> practicing it over and over.

I like to physically correct them.  I put their body in position and start
them through the sweep and if they start to pull out of position I will
gently move them back in.  This works especially well for tucking that
wandering trailing arm back in.




Stretch outward as far as you can
> keeping your
> arms straight, do not pull inward towards your trunk! (Repeat this a dozen
> times aloud). Don't pull down until very late in the sweep (if at
> all--done
> right you don't need to pull down intentionally at all). Never pull the
> blade downward (or hip-snap) until the paddle is out at least to
> perpendicular to the boat. Actually I'd forget the term "hip-snap" (it is
> hard to imagine) just pull the kayak around with the thigh and knee that's
> on the same side of your body as the hand closest to the sweeping blade.
> When the paddle is at least to perpendicular think "knee pull" to
> rotate the
> kayak (although you have already rotated it a lot just by reaching as far
> out as can as you sweep the blade around on its glide path).


Although you don't want a violent snap at the beginning of the sweep it is
never too early to start rotating the boat.  (assuming we're doing some form
of screw roll)

<more snippage>


> Instructors vary in technique here, but I like using the tip-over on the
> same side as you will roll up on as a wind-up for the roll
> (discussed in an
> earlier post).

Yes, and I like starting them in the finished position and winding them up
into the set-up.  This helps commit the motion to muscle memory.


Tipping over on the opposite side can come later
> (to make it
> a complete "roll"--I don't know why, but this is important to some people,
> seems like semantics to me). Early on it just confuses you to tip over on
> one side and try to roll up on the other. Success is going from
> upside down
> to right-side up, it don't much matter which side you tipped over on.

Yup.

<SNIP>

> One final rule: Never ever try to teach your spouse to roll!

Yup, but that's how I met my partner!
> Matt Broze


Cheers,

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Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22,
1787.


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From: <LedJube_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:08:29 EDT
    It was almost comical to read Matt Broze's post. So much of what he says 
so eloquently, I agree with completely, but could never express as he does.
    Rolling is a nearly effortless series of very simple movements that need 
to be performed with precision and timing. If you are sensitive to and 
capable of constant adjustment to minimize the pressure on the paddle then 
it's possible to teach yourself. But it is much easier and faster to have an 
instructor direct your first efforts. I know of only a handful of paddlers 
that have taught themselves and actually have good rolls.
    So keep Matt's post, but don't try to understand all of it at once, there 
is too much there. If you try to remember everything in his post, you will 
find yourself concentrating on the components and not become fluid in your 
overall movement. Have you even seen a cat flip over in mid air? (Hasn't 
everyone tried this?)  Rolling is a similar movement, not difficult but 
neither is it instinctive for mere humans.

    As Rob Cookson must have said in his series of great rolling tips:
    If it feels strenuous, it's wrong. A roll should feel like a stretch, 
first to one side then to the other.

Best of luck!
Jed
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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:42:04 -0400
One tip that I got from Jeff Bingham, a list member and local instructor,
was to try to  keep my non sweeping hand on my butt when setting up the
paddle. That cured me of the diving blade syndrome.

cya
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From: Mel Grindol <grindol_at_my-deja.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:50:27 -0700
>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:40 -0700
>From: "Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net>

Matt, thanks for the tips.  I just had my first roll lesson last night.  After an hour I still hadn't rolled, my shoulder was sore (easy with my shoulders to get sore), but I felt like I had made progress.  I am at least settling into the start position and getting the roll semi started correctly.  I also got to where I could feel it failing, stop, and reset to the start position again and try a second time.

A few comments below.

>Paddle flat on the surface (slap it to
>make sure)

I'll try that, but I'm fairly certain I'm starting with it flat.

>Once in the upside down and bent way forward at the waist starting position
>for this roll (with the paddle blade as far forward as you can hold it),
>rotate your torso even further in the direction it is already twisted in and
>stretch out as far as you can as you sweep the paddle blade. Sweep the blade
>in as wide an arc and as far away from you as you possibly can.


I don't think I'm reaching out far enough or leaning forward.

>Almost all learners do just the opposite and pull all their
>muscles (especially the biceps) inward towards their body in an attempt to
>force themselves up and lift themselves out of the water like doing a
>pull-up.

I think I'm doing this.  I'm definitely bringing my head out too soon.  I can get up for a quick breath before falling back in.  My instructor said to think of looking at the bottom of the lake instead of the sky.  Need to work on that.

>Stretch outward as far as you can keeping your
>arms straight, do not pull inward towards your trunk! (Repeat this a dozen
>times aloud).

Stretch out.
Stretch out.
Stretch out...

>Instructors vary in technique here, but I like using the tip-over on the
>same side as you will roll up on as a wind-up for the roll

Hmmm, I didn't try that.  He had me do the traditional setup, paddle beside boat, fall to paddle side, and then roll.  My initial problem was that I wasn't waiting long enough for the boat to fully settle upside down and was starting my roll with the boat still at an angle (with the angle on the wrong side (does that make sense?)).  My instructor said to wiggle my butt to get the boat to settle fully upside down before starting.  After that I could semi get up.

Unfortunately my next time in the water practicing rolls won't be for a couple of weeks.  I'm going to Seattle next week (vacation) and will miss the next whitewater club session (I joined a local whitewater club to get instruction).  I do intend to stop by Mariner Kayaks and try out a few boats.  Hey Matt, want to take an hour and work on my roll?  :)

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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:52:31 -0700
I said:>
> Dana, don't let these nattering nabobs of negativity get you down.

Rob responded:
>>Negative???  Oh do you mean when I said it took me forever to learn to
roll?<<

Several people had said how hard it was, not just you.

Rob said:
>>One of the things I don't like to hear from a new
student is "I've been trying to teach myself to roll all winter".  What that
usually means is that they have committed every conceivable bad habit to
muscle memory, and instead of beginning with a fresh canvas I have to strip
of a bunch of old paint.<<

Great metaphor, I always found it much easier to teach somebody that hadn't
ever tried rolling before (either by themselves or with another teacher--but
had not succeeded). Yes, breaking bad habits is a lot harder and more
tedious than teaching good ones.


Jed said:
>>But it is much easier and faster to have an
instructor direct your first efforts. I know of only a handful of paddlers
that have taught themselves and actually have good rolls.<<

I agree totally, but if there isn't an instructor available and you are
coordinated and determined (and willing to use a few artificial aids like a
dive mask and flat foam paddlefloat) it can be done, many paddlers have told
me they taught themselves using the advice in the rescues section of our
website on rolling.

Jed said:
>>So keep Matt's post, but don't try to understand all of it at once, there
is too much there. If you try to remember everything in his post, you will
find yourself concentrating on the components and not become fluid in your
overall movement. Have you even seen a cat flip over in mid air? (Hasn't
everyone tried this?)  Rolling is a similar movement, not difficult but
neither is it instinctive for mere humans.

    As Rob Cookson must have said in his series of great rolling tips:
    If it feels strenuous, it's wrong. A roll should feel like a stretch,
first to one side then to the other.<<

And I started out with such good intentions to try to prevent the main
difficulties new students have. Unfortunately my comments just kept growing
and growing until I probably just added to the students confusion. if you
are going to get an instructor forget most of what I said and listen to the
instructor (unless he or she is too verbose and confusing like me):^)
Rolling is eeeasy, sometimes we just make it hard by trying to hard. Relax
and have a nice stretch, first to one side and then to the other. Whoever
said it, I like it.



I said:
(although you have already rotated it a lot just by reaching as far
 out as can as you sweep the blade around on its glide path).

Rob commented:
Although you don't want a violent snap at the beginning of the sweep it is
never too early to start rotating the boat.  (assuming we're doing some form
of screw roll)

I think this usually takes care of itself if you stretch way out. The danger
of thinking about righting the kayak too early is that it is usually
combined with a downward pull on the paddle early on before the paddle blade
has gotten far enough away from the kayak to be an effective lever and
therefore a lot of energy is expended pulling the blade down into the water
without getting much rotation of the kayak. Your first job is to get the
paddle blade perpendicular to and a long way away from the kayak. If you
stretch out like this to perpendicular the lower knee will rotate the kayak
the first 90 degrees without you being aware of it. This gets you to a
position where your body is still totally in (and suspended by) the water
and with the kayak only 1/4 turn to go. If you swing around further to the
back deck as you pull strongly on the knee to right the kayak the back deck
practically scoops you out of the water as it is righted and brought
underneath you. A hard pull down on the paddle at this time can make for
success even if things were pretty sloppy. At least as long as you laid back
enough so you don't have your body and head too far out from the center of
rotation of the kayak (thereby letting gravity use your head and body
mass--too far from the centerline of the kayak--lever you back down into the
water). Remember, to try and take your head out last, not first. This is
counterintuitive to a being that is probably looking to get a gulp of oxygen
as soon as possible so fight the tendency to get your head up, let the water
support it as long as possible until you slip it up onto the back deck.
There I go again into that cursed verbosity. Sorry.

Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com


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From: Bill Hansen <bhansen2_at_twcny.rr.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Eskimo roll
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:36:41 -0400
Bob - RE: The "tucked arm" during a roll -

I've done this both ways. I know that the standard practice is to get both
hands up out of the water before the paddle sweep. But two of the boats I
paddle are deep enough so that it's difficult for me to get the non-rolling
hand out of the water. This is probably complicated by the fact that my
whole back is pretty stiff, so I can't curl it around like many younger
people do. Although someone on the PW list wrote that the rolling-side
paddle blade should be just under the water's surface when rolling, that
doesn't work well for me with a Euro paddle. (With the Greenland paddle, the
rolling blade can be just about anywhere, under or on top of the surface.)

Anyway, a bit more than a year agoI was having a lot of trouble rolling for
other reasons - I had completely lost the ability to roll as I partly
recovered from a neck injury. In re-learning and when using the deep boats,
I discovered that it's much easier to get the rolling blade on the water's
surface when the non-rolling hand is just bout shoulder level. That lead to
the practice of tucking that non-rolling arm at my side. (With the
non-rolling hand at shoulder level and the rolling hand "reaching for the
sky", the paddle shaft can make an angle upward, so the blade can clear the
water's surface by quite a bit if you want it to do that.)

This works especially well for me in rough water.

In my Romany, and in other boats which aren't so deep, I do it the
"traditional" way, pushing both hands up out of the water before starting
the sweep.


Bill Hansen
Ithaca NY

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