In a message dated 7/12/00 5:11:50 PM, kasia_pierzga_at_hotmail.com writes: << Steven Featherkile: Thanks so much for posting my office telephone number and inviting the planet to give me a call.>> << You folks are WAY too paranoid! >> << I initially arrived at Paddlewise a couple weeks ago...(big snip)......I've since discovered that this newsgroup does not really encourage a free exchange of ideas and opinions, that in fact you have to pretty carefully vet whatever you say or risk being flamed by someone who doesn't agree with you and can't stand the fact that your opinion is different from theirs.>> << I guess we should all just stick to discussions about stuff like which boat is easier to roll and what paddle leash to buy. That way we can pretend the other controversies don't exist. >> <<Judging from the supportive E-mail I've received from numerous Paddlewisers (all of which I've received directly, outside of the Paddlewise newsgroup), I think there are a lot of other people lurking around who hesitate to talk about stuff that might be controversial. >> << Some advice for all of you conspiracy theorists out there: Turn off your computer and go outside and get some sunshine. >> My what a wonderful impression we appear to have made on our fellow paddler, Kasia. It's been interesting watching this thread / tragedy develop. Understandably, I have decided to stay out of the fray before now. Even if Kasia was on that grassy knoll so long ago, there is no justification for the unfounded attacks on her, nor for the sanctioning of such attacks. PW has potential that will never be realized until we learn to celebrate our differences rather than strive to minimize them. The vocal minority involved with this thread has done severe damage that will not easily be forgotten. The lurking majority will, as usual, bear the burden of this damage. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" Winston Churchill So what if Tamia paraphrases? So what if her comments are less than complimentary? Has *anyone* even heard of Tamia before this thread? Will her actions have any long term effect on our sport or our lives? Geeeez, go paddling, life's too short for this kind of crap. Jed (not my real name) Luby Goffstown, NH *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jed, Jackie, Ralph, Et Al, Amen brothers and sisters! Jed, as usual you're right on the money. Ralph, thanks again, for being as it has been put, "a more public source of information and discussion", I know many of us appreciate the effort involved. Jackie, you continue to amaze me with your abilities to "herd cats" on this list. I've never seen quite this much hubbub before, even with other relatively contentious issues. That's a testament to your evenhandedness. Please don't feel badly about the whole episode, I think you are handling it very well. Ms Pierzga, I too apologize for the actions of a few. Open discussion is what it's all about. Losing a voice such as yours (thoughtful and well spoken) would be a true tragedy for the list, even if we don't all agree with you all the time. When people are afraid to voice their honest opinions, how much more afraid will they be to admit to foolish mistakes which we all might learn from? As one who mostly lurks, not from fear but from lack of experience, I sincerely hope the list will continue to serve the great purpose it has so admirably done thus far: to help us all to Paddle Wisely. Fervently, Kevin Kenney *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kevin Kenney wrote: > As one who mostly lurks, not from fear but from lack of experience, I > sincerely hope the list will continue to serve the great purpose it has so > admirably done thus far: to help us all to Paddle Wisely. That is unnecessarily selling oneself short, I mean the concern about lack of experience. Most of us have experience in other fields that often can shed some light on a paddling subject and is totally applicable. If you feel you don't know one roll from another or whether hard chines help or hinder rolling, so what. Other discussions in Paddlewise are not technical but rather touch on judgment and good sense. Risk assessment and group dynamics have universal aspects to them whether on the water or in a clinic or board room. Gear from other fields often can be made to work in paddlesports. I am always looking for such. That is how I came upon the use of a jetskier's cut off switch lanyard as a lightweight, strong paddle leash. The instances in which someone has been flamed in any way on PaddleWise can be counted on half a hand and the flaming has been doused immediately by the many who care for the listserve and the purposes it serves. Don't be afraid of lending an opinion. A lot of we so-called experts often are in a rut in our thinking and myopic. A fresh set of eyes and brain cells can help enrich a discussion. BTW, did anyone see tonight's episode of Survivor? I don't want to get into a discussion of the merits of the show but there was a most telling episode and I can't imagine many of us behaving the way two people behaved. The two tribes had been joined and each chose an ambassador to paddle out a mile to an island to negotiate certain things. The two, a man and a woman, were greeted by the host with a table laden with lobster and potatoes etc. and bottles of wine, four to be exact. The two drank themselves silly finishing off all four bottles throughout the night and eating all the food. I can't imagine myself doing that. Sure I would thank my good fortune for being chosen one of the ambassadors and have a sizable slice of this Tom Jones feast. But I could not in good conscious devour all the bounty without bearing in mind the other people back on the beach were not eating hardly anything. I would have downed most of a bottle between me and the other person and carried the other three bottles back for the gang and, after getting a good helping of the food, taken back whatever food would not spoil. I have been on so many paddling trips where people have shared their own skimpy lunch with someone who forgot theirs. Or shared some item of clothing or what water was left, etc. What a difference in group dynamics and humanity. ralph diaz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
So true Ralph. I agree with your observations. A contrast in caring and sharing vs. out right gluttony. The paddle out for their meeting didn't help them much did it. And they thought they were being set up for a romantic encounter when what they really did was show their shallow selfs. Of course they are stuck on an island to win a cool million. I suspect the hangovers lasted far longer than the pleasure of the food and the resentment that is sure to follow from their fellow tribe members. As we say in Texas: "Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered!" We will see how the "Goodwill? Ambassadors survive the remaining time. Poorly I expect! >I would thank my good fortune for being chosen one of the ambassadors >and have a sizable slice of this Tom Jones feast. But I could not in >good conscious devour all the bounty without bearing in mind the other >people back on the beach were not eating hardly anything. I would have >downed most of a bottle between me and the other person and carried the >other three bottles back for the gang and, after getting a good helping >of the food, taken back whatever food would not spoil. > >I have been on so many paddling trips where people have shared their own >skimpy lunch with someone who forgot theirs. Or shared some item of >clothing or what water was left, etc. What a difference in group >dynamics and humanity. > >ralph diaz >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter >PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 >Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com >"Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net >Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:00 AM 7/13/00 -0700, you wrote: > >The instances in which someone has been flamed in any way on PaddleWise >can be counted on half a hand and the flaming has been doused >immediately by the many who care for the listserve and the purposes it >serves. (Snip) > >BTW, did anyone see tonight's episode of Survivor? I don't want to get >into a discussion of the merits of the show but there was a most telling >episode and I can't imagine many of us behaving the way two people Now, Ralph . . . bringing up "Survivor" is legitimite, justifyable grounds for flaming. ;-) I've avoided that show like the plague -- so contrived it's pathetic. Of course, I avoid most TV for the same reason . . . -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> wrote: > At 12:00 AM 7/13/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >The instances in which someone has been flamed in any way on > PaddleWise > >can be counted on half a hand and the flaming has been doused > >immediately by the many who care for the listserve and the purposes > it > >serves. > > (Snip) > > > >BTW, did anyone see tonight's episode of Survivor? I don't want to > get > >into a discussion of the merits of the show but there was a most > telling > >episode and I can't imagine many of us behaving the way two people > > Now, Ralph . . . bringing up "Survivor" is legitimite, justifyable > grounds > for flaming. ;-) > > I've avoided that show like the plague -- so contrived it's pathetic. > Of > course, I avoid most TV for the same reason . . . > > -- Wes > Oh goody! At TV flame! um... I should stop here... Melissa Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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