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From: Jim <jfitz_at_rlc.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:00:11 -0400
Good morning,

I looking for some suggestions on how to install temporary fixed ballast
during practice in a fiber glass boat.  Of course it must be stable and not
move around.

Regards,

Jim Fitzgerald


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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:31:20 -0400
Good opportunity to show off what we have been working on recently and
solicit some more modifications.

Jim, if you go to:  http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR/kayak/
and click on "outfitting" then "cockpits" you will find a very clever
method sent to me from one of our paddlewise members of securing water
bags in the cockpit which seem very adaptable to your needs.

Shawn and a few others have contributed quite a bit, you will also get a
good look at Shawn's Guillemot which is quite a beautiful boat.

If anyone has any boat modifications they would like to add I would
really appreciate it.  At the end of all this, I will be sending out cd
roms of the site as well as some things (including steam bending wood,
lofting, etc.)that I have compiled through the years to the people who
contribute.  A lot of it would be impossible to get permissions, so it
will not be available to be sold.  

gabriel

Jim wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I looking for some suggestions on how to install temporary fixed ballast
> during practice in a fiber glass boat.  Of course it must be stable and not
> move around.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jim Fitzgerald
> 

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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:06:39 EDT
Neat site, Gabriel!

For Jim --- nothing even close to those on the site, but a thought.  Depending on how much weight you were trying to keep in place, and on the configuration of the volume of the space in which you wanted to place the balast --- I'm assuming you're trying to trim the boat with different balast configurations, and this is temporary --- there may be another option.  You may be able to hold balast in place by locating it where you want it and then insert and inflate a relatively strong beach ball inside the area and above and around the weight so that the balast is held in place.  Not good for a long test, because the ball will leak over time --- or heat up and explode! --- but, in the short run, it will hold a fairly substantial weight in place for trimming.

For Gabriel: I assume you *don't* want a picture of this!

Jack Martin
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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:56:57 -0400
I don't think a picture is necessary with your description Jack, but I
will certainly use it.  It is clever and budget at the same time, two
great assets. Also fits the dual purpose  as floatation and securely
fastening an object.  I wonder if a partially inflated beach ball could
be a method of both providing insulation and restrict rolling of an ice
cold water bottle in my day hatch...

JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> Neat site, Gabriel!
> 
> For Jim --- nothing even close to those on the site, but a thought.  Depending on how much weight you were trying to keep in place, and on the configuration of the volume of the space in which you wanted to place the balast --- I'm assuming you're trying to trim the boat with different balast configurations, and this is temporary --- there may be another option.  You may be able to hold balast in place by locating it where you want it and then insert and inflate a relatively strong beach ball inside the area and above and around the weight so that the balast is held in place.  Not good for a long test, because the ball will leak over time --- or heat up and explode! --- but, in the short run, it will hold a fairly substantial weight in place for trimming.
> 
> For Gabriel: I assume you *don't* want a picture of this!
> 
> Jack Martin

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From: Jim <jfitz_at_rlc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 08:03:29 -0400
Good morning,


> I'm assuming you're trying to trim the boat with different balast
configurations, and this is temporary --- there may be another option.

Yes, I'm trying different configurations to see how they influence boat
handling, ie rolling, trim, etc.

> You may be able to hold balast in place by locating it where you want it
and then insert and inflate a relatively strong beach ball inside the area
and above and around the weight so that the balast is held in place.  Not
good for a long test, because the ball will leak over time --- or heat up
and explode! --- but, in the short run, it will hold a fairly substantial
weight in place for trimming.

I tried your suggestion with a PVC-coated, 14 gauge nylon taffeta tandem end
bag for canoes.  It has a triangle shape, it's about the size of a beach
ball, and has a valve with an extension tube.  I placed a small pad in the
bottom of the day hatch.  On top of that, I placed a ten pound hand weight.
I inserted the bag and inflated it.  I had to place a small piece of press
board siding on the inside of the hatch to keep the bag from inflating out
the hatch.

It worked very well in the day hatch just behind me.  The weight was held
firmly in place.

Regards,

Jim Fitzgerald



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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 00:15:31 EDT
Gabriel wonders "...if a partially inflated beach ball could be a method of both providing insulation and restrict rolling of an ice cold water bottle in my day hatch..."

Probably.  If I did that, though, I would cleverly leave the inflation valve in a position where I couldn't deflate the ball and recover the water.  (It's also something to play with during lunch breaks.)

Jack 
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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 01:13:46 -0400
Does that cover Ralph's 3 use criteria?

JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> Gabriel wonders "...if a partially inflated beach ball could be a method of both providing insulation and restrict rolling of an ice cold water bottle in my day hatch..."
> 
> Probably.  If I did that, though, I would cleverly leave the inflation valve in a position where I couldn't deflate the ball and recover the water.  (It's also something to play with during lunch breaks.)
> 
> Jack

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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 04:58:35
At 01:13 AM 9/4/00 -0400, Gabriel L Romeu wrote:
>Does that cover Ralph's 3 use criteria?

The third use is as a spare hatch cover if you lose the original. Stick the
ball in the hatch and blow it up until it seals.

-- Wes

>JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> Gabriel wonders "...if a partially inflated beach ball could be a method
of both providing insulation and restrict rolling of an ice cold water
bottle in my day hatch..."
>> 
>> Probably.  If I did that, though, I would cleverly leave the inflation
valve in a position where I couldn't deflate the ball and recover the
water.  (It's also something to play with during lunch breaks.)
>> 
>> Jack
>


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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:13:47 EDT
Jim wrote, "I tried your suggestion with a PVC-coated, 14 gauge nylon taffeta tandem end bag for canoes......
It worked very well in the day hatch just behind me.  The weight was held firmly in place."

Gee, really?  It worked?  Wow ..... never really tried it, myself. All I did was stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Jack



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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:16:22 EDT
>>Does that cover Ralph's 3 use criteria?

>The third use is as a spare hatch cover if you lose >the original. Stick the ball in the hatch and blow it >up until it seals.

And, if it's mylar, maybe you could stick it on top of your head as a radar reflector?  Four?

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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 10:09:34 -0400
And use it as a mirror to shave the next day? five?



JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> >>Does that cover Ralph's 3 use criteria?
> 
> >The third use is as a spare hatch cover if you lose >the original. Stick the ball in the hatch and blow it >up until it seals.
> 
> And, if it's mylar, maybe you could stick it on top of your head as a radar reflector?  Four?

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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fixed Ballast
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:59:56 -0400
And it would look far more festive than these plain black NDK.

Wes Boyd wrote:
> 
> At 01:13 AM 9/4/00 -0400, Gabriel L Romeu wrote:
> >Does that cover Ralph's 3 use criteria?
> 
> The third use is as a spare hatch cover if you lose the original. Stick the
> ball in the hatch and blow it up until it seals.
> 
> -- Wes


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