Whoa maybe I should have lurked a little longer! The new kid on the block now has to answer to the rest of the crew- let the initiation begin Before I share a tale I'll share my views on some of the questions you asked; rdempsey wrote: <snip> where do you stand on the important issues of skegs, rudders and chines?? Firstly skegs don't have as many moving parts and such and thus tend not to break down and cost less than rudders. However, skegs only enhance tracking, so I think its more important for paddlers to have knowledge of basic paddle strokes. After I have said this my kayak is equipped with a rudder system I find it invaluable when I am tired or just feel like watching the world go by. My kayak has very little rocker and therefor it tracks quite efficiently pretty much making my rudder just a flashy looking add on. If I had the choice to make again I probably would have opted to spend the extra money on a better paddle than have the rudder. In risking sounding repetitive the posts of the last week have basically summed up that the area between the bottom of the kayak and its sides is called the chine. Rounded sides are referred to as soft chines, while more abrupt or right-angled sides are called hard chines. Soft chines provide less initial stability but more secondary stability. Hard chines provide great stability initially but much less secondary stability. I myself like my soft chined pig of a boat. David Whyte wrote: "And what about PFDs in calm water and petting whales" I fell all paddlers should have PFDs, I do admit though that mine spends the majority of its time stuffed into my deck riggings-It doesn't fit right and I know thats a feeble excuse. My dog who regularily rides in my stern hatch religiously wears his. As for petting whales if I ever were to encounter any I would be scared that if I touched them I would find out they disappeard like the bubbles you tried to catch when you were a kid, and that would be too sad. Katie A tale of adventure.... Ah I think I'll wait for another night. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
kate moran wrote: > > Whoa maybe I should have lurked a little longer! The > new kid on the block now has to answer to the rest of > the crew- let the initiation begin [snip] > After I have said > this my kayak is equipped with a rudder system I find > it invaluable when I am tired or just feel like > watching the world go by. My kayak has very little > rocker and therefor it tracks quite efficiently [snip] You did not say what model kayak you have -- what is it? Thanks. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kate wrote - >Soft chines provide less initial stability but >more secondary stability. Unless it is a Puffin with a softly rounded bottom and rounded sides, falls over suddenly as it is rounded all the way. > Hard chines provide great >stability initially but much less secondary stability. Depending how wide the bottom planks are and how splayed the sides are - narrow bottom and wide splayed sides will give the opposite effect. How hard is "hard" and are we talking the angle between sides and bottom or the sharpness of the point where they meet - and will anyone agree? SO, it all depends...... Alex *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry Kate I sort of meant mine as a tongue in cheek rhetorical question having a go at how serious and personnel some of the emails become when discussing an issue. David -----Original Message----- From: kate moran [mailto:amantaka_at_yahoo.com] David Whyte wrote: "And what about PFDs in calm water and petting whales" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Me too, Kate... It was a joke question... I have paddled on the Barrenground and the Arctic Ocean, but it was in a canoe. Canoes don't have a skegs/rudders, and as to chines...I don't think the Old Town Disco 17.4 , has any . Or maybe I've never looked? Paddlewise is a great place for those who love to paddle, regardless of whether one's mind is filled with the Tao of hull shapes or watching a great blue heron pull a frog out of the marsh., or watching a river otter watching you, as you paddle by. Jackie does a great job in keeping this list, "within bounds", yet reflective of various paddlers interests in paddling, whether sea-kayaks or old-fashioned fresh water paddlers. Welcome to the group. (uh.. so how soon can we expect a Lake Superior trip report?) <G> Rich Dempsey ridem_at_msn.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See our canoe tripping website http://communities.msn.com/RichWendysAwayFromHomePage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whyte, David" <DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au> To: "'kate moran'" <amantaka_at_yahoo.com>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Skegs,rudders and chines, oh my > Sorry Kate > > I sort of meant mine as a tongue in cheek rhetorical question having a go at > how serious and personnel some of the emails become when discussing an > issue. > > David *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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