Interesting to hear your description, Jochen, of using the tarp. I went on a canoe trip with a fellow some years ago and he did a similar thing by turning the canoe on its side and stretching the tarp over the canoe and then out to the side to make a low enclosure, also supported by a paddle. We were camping on the sandy beaches of the Sabine River so the ground was good for such an arrangement. We had a rather bad thunderstorm and he weathered it fairly well. ...Edwin >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:58:05 +0100 >From: "Jochen Grikschat" <grikschat_at_surfeu.de> >Maybe iīm a little bit extreme, but most time I didnīt got a tent on my >tours. Yeah! NO tent. > >Only using a 3 x 3 metre (about 10 x 10 ft) polyester, silicone coated >Tarp. ...Edwin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj_at_shreve.net ~ ~~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ ~~ ~ ~~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:58:05 +0100 >From: "Jochen Grikschat" <grikschat_at_surfeu.de> >Maybe iīm a little bit extreme, but most time I didnīt got a tent on my >tours. Yeah! NO tent. > >Only using a 3 x 3 metre (about 10 x 10 ft) polyester, silicone coated >Tarp. I'm not really against tarps but I will point out one big negative of just using a tarp. When my wife and I spent a week on Ross Lake we shared campsites with a group of teenagers hiking the shoreline. They used just a tarp for coverage while sleeping. One of the guys had a spider crawl into his sleeping bag and bite him multiple times on the neck and cheek. One whole side of his neck and one cheek was swollen, it looked ugly. We offered him some cream made by my father-in-law (he's a pharmicist) that is a combination of quite a few creams that works excellently for unknown rashes. Seems to have enough properties that no matter what caused the rash it can cure it. He turned us down (acted down right frightened when she offered it). At least with a tent you can do a concerted bug hunt once you are zipped in for the night and get rid of anything that wants to make a meal out of you. Like Dave I've had extremely good luck with a NF Nebula. It's lived through a few all night thunderstorms with heavy rain and wind (and lightning, the tent looks cool in the dark of night when a flash of lightning over head lights up the dome). My Mountain Hardwear Light Wedge 2 has not been through a thunderstorm but has been through a night of strong wind. Strategically placed with the tail of the tent facing into the wind the most we had was an occassional thrumming of the fly in the wind. Don't forget to consider packed size. My Nebula is large (25" X 8") and eats up a lot of space in the boat (Heck, I'm not sure it would even fit in my Romany without packing it in as each separate component). It's been relegated to my BWCA trips where space in a canoe is not at a premium. The Light Wedge 2 packs down to about 17" X 6". Much better on boat space. Mel "When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Maybe someone has mentioned this before, but Marmot has a tent called the Area 51 that is basically a unique single-wall tent/tarp. It is huge (51 square feet) and weighs in at a little over 5lbs (2.26 kilos). I have read good reviews and heard some from paddling friends. I ordered one from www.rei-outlet.com using my coop dividend which conveniently arrived this week. They have them for US$139, which is quite a bargain. While there are a few little oddities (you have to guy it out), nothing that other very light tents don't have to deal with. Tarps are a lovely thing, especially during those days of non-stop rain. I always have an EMS parawing somewhere in my hatch. But I wouldn't ever want to sleep under one during a Minnesota summer. The mosquitos or perhaps the blackflies would simply carry you off to feed their queen. -Patrick (whose attempted kayaking fun today ended up being 3 hours of sitting in a car lodged in a snowbank) At 11:54 PM -0600 2/24/01, Edwin Johnson wrote: >Interesting to hear your description, Jochen, of using the tarp. I went on >a canoe trip with a fellow some years ago and he did a similar thing by >turning the canoe on its side and stretching the tarp over the canoe and >then out to the side to make a low enclosure, also supported by a paddle. >We were camping on the sandy beaches of the Sabine River so the ground >was good for such an arrangement. We had a rather bad thunderstorm and he >weathered it fairly well. > >...Edwin > >>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:58:05 +0100 >>From: "Jochen Grikschat" <grikschat_at_surfeu.de> > >>Maybe iĨm a little bit extreme, but most time I didnĨt got a tent on my >>tours. Yeah! NO tent. >> >>Only using a 3 x 3 metre (about 10 x 10 ft) polyester, silicone coated >>Tarp. > >...Edwin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Patrick Maun" <pmaun_at_bitstream.net> > Maybe someone has mentioned this before, but Marmot has a tent called > the Area 51 that is basically a unique single-wall tent/tarp. It is > huge (51 square feet) and weighs in at a little over 5lbs (2.26 > kilos). I saw one a couple of weeks ago for the first time. It's an interesting design. I kinda liked it - simple and functional. In spite of its large floor area, it suffers from the same problem as most tents - it's too short for me! It is barely longer than a full length Thermarest. I wish they'd make these things bigger by making them longer rather than wider! Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Have you checked out the shape of the trango 2 by mtn hardware? I think it's the perfect shape. Unfortunately it's expensive and heavy (do to it's design for storm endurance). I believe a lighter tent could be rigged for storm durability with a little extra rope, as long as you're not looking for snow load capacity. Soon there will be cheaper light knockoffs of these nice tent. Check out this tarp that John Winter's previously directed my to: http://www.greenval.com/flys.html I want one of the dryfleas, but I'm waiting for the price to come down. On Mon 26 Feb 2001, Michael Daly wrote: > ...longer rather than wider! > > Mike > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed > here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire > responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. > Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net > Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > -- Mike McNally mmcnally3_at_prodigy.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The Marmot Area 51, as well as other pyramid/cone shaped tarps are well suited for particular environments. As with many single-walled tents and bivy sack/tents, ventilation becomes problematic in humid, buggy, low-altitude environs. Some offer optional snap-in floors. I like the parawing type tarps better for reasons of ventilation and wind shedding characteristics. In buggy areas and/or buggy seasons, I'd much prefer to have a tent that can ventilate extremely well AND cinch down in the event of an acute or chronic storm situation. Given the roomy, high-venting, light and low bulk options available in many tents, I'm just not sure what the allure is to the 'tarp only' line of thought. I usually bring a tarp anyway for cooking or lounging shelter. -wjj *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've heard quite a bit about ventilation problems with single-wall tents. *Supposedly*, Marmot has this figured out slightly better than most as it is vented all the way around the bottom and has an integrated vestibule while the door is all mesh. There are also two top window/vents with these clever poles that you can prop them open with. I am curious to see how it performs. I was in the market for a light tent to "add to the collection" and with my rebate it was only around US$80, so if it's utter crap, I didn't waste $300 on a bomb-proof mountaineering tent. Of course I'll report back to Paddlewise with my findings, at least as soon as we have un-frozen ground here. \ -Patrick At 8:54 PM -0600 2/26/01, Will Jennings wrote: >The Marmot Area 51, as well as other pyramid/cone shaped tarps are >well suited for particular environments. As with many single-walled >tents and bivy sack/tents, ventilation becomes problematic in humid, >buggy, low-altitude environs. Some offer optional snap-in floors. > >I like the parawing type tarps better for reasons of ventilation and >wind shedding characteristics. In buggy areas and/or buggy seasons, >I'd much prefer to have a tent that can ventilate extremely well AND >cinch down in the event of an acute or chronic storm situation. >Given the roomy, high-venting, light and low bulk options available >in many tents, I'm just not sure what the allure is to the 'tarp only' >line of thought. I usually bring a tarp anyway for cooking or >lounging shelter. > >-wjj > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A few years ago I bought fabric from Seattle Fabrics and sewed my own tarp. I also got a bivy sack from Outdoor Research and when I used to lead the school trips around the San Juans and Barkely Sound this was a great combination. You can set them up together or separately. I also have a small two-person self standing tent from Walrus (the fly needs to be staked) - the Rocket I think. I put re-enforcements in the tarp under the grommets at it will "do" almost anything (low, high, stack with paddles or with out). It's really fun! Andree Onwatersports.com http://www.onwatersports.com Viewit.com - Website Design, Hosting, Maintenance, E-commerce http://www.viewit.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01-02-27 10:46:21 EST, ahurley_at_viewit.com writes: << A few years ago I bought fabric from Seattle Fabrics and sewed my own tarp. >> Andree, what size and shape did you make it? Did you opt for plain ol' square or attempt parawing style? If the latter, do you have any "pattern" tips/dimensions/ cutting instructions you care to share? Has anybody compared prices between Seattle Fabrics and Quest Outfitters? Quest isn't online yet, but their number is 800-359-6931 if anyone wants to order a catalog. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mine is a basic rectangle, it can go over a picnic table easily. It's pretty big, really, although I'd have to get it out and measure it to be accurate. The fabric is heavier than most as I just went on the recommendation of the sales person. On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01-02-27 10:46:21 EST, ahurley_at_viewit.com writes: > > << A few years ago I bought fabric from Seattle Fabrics and sewed > my own tarp. >> > > Andree, what size and shape did you make it? Did you opt for plain ol' > square or attempt parawing style? If the latter, do you have any "pattern" > tips/dimensions/ cutting instructions you care to share? > > Has anybody compared prices between Seattle Fabrics and Quest Outfitters? > Quest isn't online yet, but their number is 800-359-6931 if anyone wants to > order a catalog. > > sandy kramer > miami > Onwatersports.com http://www.onwatersports.com Viewit.com - Website Design, Hosting, Maintenance, E-commerce http://www.viewit.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm another "tarp folder". I have a couple pop-up dome tents, a large&tall and a smaller one, but find I use a tarp ( 10x12 foot) quite often. For summer camping here in bayou-land my priorities are ...shade, ventilation, bugs, and rain. Shortchange any one of these considerations and you will NOT be a happy camper. In fall, winter, and spring the rain may be one's only concern. From something stretched, flat and airy, to something snugged, folded and pegged, the many designs a tarp can take seem limited only by one's imagination. To me the tarp is the ultimate in versatility. BTW a mosquito net takes care of the bugs for sleeping. For a larger group I also have "The Monster" ...it is a 22x40 foot tarp which, once secured, takes on the look of a nomadic dwelling-camp. Room for everybody's tent UNDER that thing, gear storage, a kick fire, kitchen cooking area, lounging area, and with room left over for ...hacky-sack anyone ? ...adieu ...Peyton (Louisiana) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
snips > for everybody's tent UNDER that thing, gear storage, a kick > fire, kitchen > cooking area, Peyton, what's a "kick fire"? Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi all "tarpers - tarp man and women" > wouldn't ever want to sleep under one during a Minnesota summer. The > mosquitos or perhaps the blackflies would simply carry you off to > feed their queen. Thatīs one reason why Iīm dreaming of an special bivouac sack, with integrated mosquito net. Okay, thatīs already on the market, but the price.... I like to do everything for myself, so I know what I got and if somethng fails, it is easy to repair and on every fault I learn more about how to do it next time better. Okay, a bivy sack with very little dome over the head, looks like a dog kennel, but itīs still outdoor. The problems with spiders, Iīve had one time, when I was sleeping in the high gras. Not the normal place for a touring kayaker. Normally I watch out places where nothing will hurt, even the gras. Be with the nature in the nature, with respect and a minimum of conspicuoucy (hope the correct word for "not to be seen with direct point to the eyes"). In tents you also could get problems with spiders or ants. To find the ideal place to rest for the night, it is a special science and game of chance. Have a good night, here in Europe and a nice afternoon in the states, and a fresh morning down under and nearby... Jochen Grikschat *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01-02-27 15:45:06 EST, grikschat_at_surfeu.de writes: << Thatīs one reason why Iīm dreaming of an special bivouac sack, with integrated mosquito net. Okay, thatīs already on the market, but the price.... >> Slumberjack has a Summer Bivy that gets rotten reviews because of the 24" height and being trapped in rainstorms without being able to sit upright. However, I've used mine for several overnighters and it is absolutely lovely to lie and look up at the stars. Another good thing is that you can reach for the rainfly without having to get out.....and then it really looks like a coffin. Pricewise...it's pretty reasonable. The regular bivy is about $80, but I think I paid about $60 for the summer bivy that has the all-mesh screen. The weight is under 3 lbs. and it's a small pack. At first I got fiberglass poles, but exchanged them for aluminum ones. sandy kramer who has more tents than kayaks, but it's getting close.. :) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My Outdoor Research bivy is like that, has nice netting. I also just bought the Hennessy Hammock, although it's probably not totally bug proof... Andree > In a message dated 01-02-27 15:45:06 EST, grikschat_at_surfeu.de writes: > > << Thatīs one reason why Iīm dreaming of an special bivouac sack, with > integrated mosquito net. Okay, thatīs already on the market, but the > price.... >> Onwatersports.com http://www.onwatersports.com Viewit.com - Website Design, Hosting, Maintenance, E-commerce http://www.viewit.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In order to bring two warring factions together may I suggest that in the Northwest where it rains all the time (with out ever letting up) that serious kayakers put up their tarp and then erect the tent out of the rain underneath, keep it dry all night, and then fold it up dry again in the morning if moving camp. I used to go backpacking using some nylon shelter halves/ponchos I made some thirty years ago or more. I discovered I don't like ponchos but have used them together as a tarp ever since. Actually, the tarp halves were retired for backpacking once I was affluent enough to buy a lightweight tent (Warmlight) and do not have to hide out deep inside a too hot sleeping bag anymore to get away from the marauding mosquitoes. Once I became a kayak camper and had the water floating all the weight and no more hills to haul it up anymore, I could "heavy up" and swear off freeze dried food and "either or" thinking and discovered "why not both" thinking. For years I went on kayak trips where I was the only person who used a tarp over my tent or inflatable bivy but a few years ago I went on a trip on the NW Coast of Vancouver Island with two other very experienced kayak/campers and discovered that both my paddling partners and I all did the same tarp/tent thing and we had never kayak camped together before or discussed it prior to setting up that first night. We knew we were compatible campers at that moment. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net> wrote: > May I suggest that in the > Northwest where it rains all the time, that > serious kayakers put up their tarp and then erect > the tent out of the rain > underneath, keep it dry all night, and then fold it > up dry again in the > morning if moving camp. That's what I like to do. The tarp takes the UV beating from the sun, protecting the tent. If the rain isin't too bad the tent is nearly dry in the morning. Once the tent is down, you have a dry place to sit for breakfast. If you travel light, an ultra-light tarp and a bivi sack work together much better than they do separately. You don't need to be in the northwest to like being warm and dry. ===== Sincerly Bev Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01-02-28 06:22:19 EST, mkayaks_at_oz.net writes: << I was the only person who used a tarp over my tent or inflatable bivy but a few years ago I went on a trip on the NW Coast of Vancouver Island with two other very >> inflatable bivy???? do tell more, Matt. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In the mid 80's Bea Dowd, my editor at Sea Kayaker magazine. Told me of a guy who had been given an inflatable tent/air mattress/sleeping bag combination for Christmas. On New Years eve he decided to try it out and set it up on a relatives beach where he had gone for a party. After the party in which he had gotten pretty smashed he went down to the beach and took off his shoes and crawled in. At one point he was awakened by the sound of waves and looked out to see that the waves were not too far away. However he didn't feel like getting up and didn't think they would reach him. He went back to sleep until at about dawn he was again awakened by the sound of very waves. This time he found they were slapping against the side of his shelter. He then noticed that he was floating. Further inspection revealed why the waves were lapping against his tent, it had drifted up against a snag and the snag held it in place so the waves lapped against it. Worse yet he looked around and discovered he "wasn't in Kansas anymore Toto". He was in shallows near shore but he was disoriented because it wasn't any shore that he recognized. He hand paddled himself to the nearby shore to look around but although it was a clear day he had no idea where he was and could not figure it out. He walked barefoot for about a mile until he came to an occupied cabin. He called his relative from there and then finally discovered that he had crossed to the other side and was some distance (I believe) up the 1/2 mile wide inlet. How I came to own one was because I wondered if this tent/air mattress might also do double duty as a survival raft as well as shelter for kayakers. I called the intrepid sleeper and asked more about it. It had been purchased in Seattle so I went down to take a look at it. Although it was billed as a "Survivor III" it would be too complicated to inflate from the water but they were being closed out so I bought one anyhow to try out as a bivy. It was Conestoga wagon shaped with inflatable end tubes holding up the canopy and had a lightweight sleeping bag zipped to an air mattress that was 9 or 10 inches thick. An inflatable pump worked to inflate it (someone inflating it looked to be giving it old style push the chest in artificial respiration). I really liked it. It was a very comfortable bed that could be set up nearly anywhere, across logs, on rock outcroppings, or even floating (although I never used it that way). Sometimes in the NW coastal world of beach logs tumbled up into a salal thicket, finding space big enough to set up a tent above high tide can be a real challenge. My Survivor III made this easy. I used it on any paddling trips where I would be sleeping solo. I liked it so much that I thought other kayakers might like them too. I began selling them when we first got a retail store in Kirkland, WA in 1987. Although reasonably priced (because they were being closed out) they were unfortunately a hard item to sell, most folks were intrigued by it but just didn't trust inflatable after being "let down" by other air mattresses. We probably sold less than 1/2 a dozen Survivor III's total. Funny thing was, once I couldn't get them anymore almost everyone who had ever bought one already stopped by wanting to buy more of them. Although I have used it many times in Baja where nearly every plant is armed with sharp points, it never was punctured (the heat-sealable urethane nylon fabric was like that in a Thermarest(tm) pad). Unfortunately the heat sealable bonds in it seemed to be degraded by time and moisture and during a kayak trip to the NW end of Vancouver Island in 1999 the "inflate by mouth" pump failed and after a week or so of blowing it up by mouth it went from being a comfortable shelter to like trying to sleep on a giant soft beach ball as all the internal baffles that gave it its inflated shape came apart. I'll miss it. Anyone know where I could get another one? Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Gypsykayak_at_aol.com [mailto:Gypsykayak_at_aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:46 AM > To: mkayaks_at_oz.net; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tents Vs. Tarps > > > In a message dated 01-02-28 06:22:19 EST, mkayaks_at_oz.net writes: > > << I was the only person who used a tarp over > my tent or inflatable bivy but a few years ago I went on a trip on the NW > Coast of Vancouver Island with two other very >> > > inflatable bivy???? do tell more, Matt. > > sandy kramer > miami > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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