Hi Ralph, Ralph, kdc, et al - I was about to comment about Ralphs :----) But then: Why should I? Thats the way he took it into his personal vocabulary and thats ok. : ~~) (tried to roll and slammed my nose against some pebbles in the riverbed) would have been worse. Also, Ralph - the other one - you forgot mentioning Marian and Rainer, who also could give comment on the first one. What I really did like was Jochen and the other Ralphs approach towards rolling: Not as a pseudo-religious practice to show your competence in kayaking, not even necessarily as a means of self-rescue, but as a method to improve self-conciousness contra fears and respect for the wet environment we are living with (hopefully not in) from time to time. As a matter of fact: When meeting for the "Faltboot Probetreffen Sued" from July, 13th - 15th at Gaienhofen-Horn, western Lake of Constance (an informal first meeting of folding kayakers - not so much the kayakers, but the boats :-) we are going to have a workshop on bracing, methods for reentry and - as far as Katja from Franfurt will be involved - rolling the old Nautiraid and, so she promised: my ugly Aerius I (So, if there will be no more posts from me past this time she failed teaching me). btw - Whoever of you might be near aroung this time of the year: You are welcome. And as for the somehow cryptic sign at our fence "OFW" - some posts ago (paddlers exchange) - it means "old f*rts welcome" Happy paddling - I´ll be off for work in a minute, Frank Oh, and I was most unpolite, Sandy: I forgot twice saying thank you to you for the good work you initiated with this list. Sorry about this. Je umsichtiger die Planung, desto treffsicherer der Zufall. Frank Fichtmueller, Guetebohlweg 4, D 78343 Gaienhofen (d) evkirche.hoeri_at_t-online.de (p) fichtmueller_at_gmx.de (T) (0049) + 7735 - 2074 (d) 2776 (p) (F) 1431 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 2/14/01 4:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, grikschat_at_surfeu.de writes: << Moin! >> ... for the uninitiated in this context is a contraction of the German for "good morning" ... Ralph (the other one) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: <FoldingBoats_at_aol.com> > In a message dated 2/14/01 4:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > grikschat_at_surfeu.de writes: > > << Moin! >> > > ... for the uninitiated in this context is a contraction of the German for > "good morning" ... > > Ralph (the other one) When I started getting serious about folding kayaks, I came to the realization that I needed to know some German to make sense of this world since so much of the great literature and references for it are in that tongue. I didn't realize that now, increasingly, PaddleWisers had better brush up on German too as our fellow paddlers from the cradle of modern day kayaking increasing bless us with their pearls of wisdom. :----) BTW, for the inquisitive, the symbol :----) is the German compound noun form of :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hola Tocayo --- are you in trouble now!! ;-) << BTW, for the inquisitive, the symbol :----) is the German compound noun form of :-) ralph diaz >> I'll leave it to JochenG (UlliH, Father FrankF et al) to explain what it means when a German talks about "jemandem eine lange Nase machen". :-)) (short nose, but double laugh!!) The Other Ralph Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gabriel wrote: >>>>>when confronted with specs like these, I have to research to find out more. http://www.paddel-meier.de/produkte/tm/kajaks/umiak.htm cool, huh? Matt, have you tried it?<<<<< I was aware of, but have never seen or paddled the TM Canoesports "Umiak". I've paddled Derek Hutchinson's Umiak and Umiak Icefloe but they are different kayaks only sharing the same name. The earliest reference I have seen for the TM Umiak is from a 1986 classified ad in the May 1986 Seekajaker #3 p24 (18-4.5 long x 18.9 wide x 24.4 x 14.6 cockpit) so it has been around for awhile. I'd like to know more about how the recessed rudder works. Is Paddel-Meier a dealer? The exclusive dealer? Do they have anything to do with the production? What is the address and phone #'s and E-mail and website addresses for TM Markenkajaks (or as an English publication called it TM Canoesports)? If someone has this information I hope you will e-mail it to me. I'm also curious about the relationship between Bavaria -Boote and Klepper. Is Klepper the distributor and Bavaria-Boote the manufacturer or what? Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> > it to me. I'm also curious about the relationship between Bavaria -Boote and > Klepper. Is Klepper the distributor and Bavaria-Boote the manufacturer or > what? > > Matt Broze Our German PaddleWise friends obviously would have better historical details than I. My understanding is that Bavaria-Boote was started by some Klepper employees. It is a huge operation making hardshell kayaks, canoes and other small boats. It is located not far from Klepper in the Rosenheim vicinity. I visited the Bavaria Boote factory while hanging out for a week at the Klepperwerks in 1993. For many years, Klepper US was the distributor for Bavaria boats in the US. You would see them at the shop at Unions Square in NYC. Not bad fiberglass boats (the fiberglass work inside was a bit rough) and interestingly had spxnsxns running inside on both sides most of the inside length. The spxnsxns looked exactly like those on Kleppers and about the same diameter. These floated pretty freely inside attached only by little pieces of string glassed into the boat inside and evenly spaced. They offered some internal flotation. the boats also used a moveable bar for a footbrace. The bar ran across the boat and you placed it it through holes on side rails to adjust for your leg length. You had about 6 or so settings rather than the infinite ones you get in some rail and foot pedal systems. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"I've paddled Derek Hutchinson's Umiak and Umiak Icefloe but they are different kayaks only sharing the same name." Well, similar name. Isn't the DH boat an "Umnak"? I have a friend with one at Mallacoota. Nice boat. Vintage collector's item. PT. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:25 PM 2/15/01 +1100, Peter Treby wrote: >"I've paddled Derek Hutchinson's Umiak and Umiak Icefloe but they are >different kayaks only sharing the same name." >Well, similar name. Isn't the DH boat an "Umnak"? I have a friend with one >at Mallacoota. Nice boat. Vintage collector's item. >PT. Anyone have a copy of Derek's story about his first paddling experience in the boats the he and his friend built? It was hilarious. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, Derek's kayak was an Umnak, my mistake. Gees, this getting old is hell on the memory. Isn't an Umiak the Aleut's big open "women's boat"? Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Treby [mailto:ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:26 AM > To: 'Matt Broze'; Paddlewise (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] rolling for everyone > > > "I've paddled Derek Hutchinson's Umiak and Umiak Icefloe but they are > different kayaks only sharing the same name." > Well, similar name. Isn't the DH boat an "Umnak"? I have a friend with one > at Mallacoota. Nice boat. Vintage collector's item. > PT. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> > Isn't an Umiak the Aleut's big open "women's boat"? There are numerous references to umiaks as "women's boats", however, they are in fact the "freighters" of the northern people. Big, open, skin boats. How they got to be associated with women is not known to me. Someone once speculated that since the men are in kayaks, the umiaks must be for the women. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Isn't an Umiak the Aleut's big open "women's boat"?" That German Umiak doesn't look much like a big open barge, eh? PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:06 PM 2/15/01 -0800, Matt Broze wrote: >Yes, Derek's kayak was an Umnak, my mistake. Gees, this getting old is hell >on the memory. >Isn't an Umiak the Aleut's big open "women's boat"? It's also a kid size touring boat made by Perception and is one of the better choices for a kid under 100 pounds. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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