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From: John Blackburn <digipixs_at_erols.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:05:47 -0800
My wife has expressed an interest in a GPS unit and I have been doing
some looking on the web, with an idea of getting her one for Christmas.
As a result I am suffering from info overload.

If anyone has some strongly held opinions on make, model, and features
for the semi serious Kayaker I would love to get your input.

You can reply back channel if you want to avoid clogging up the list
serve.

Thanks in advance
John Blackburn   digipixs_at_erols.com
Red/Green Diamante


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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:27:11 -0500
I'm somewhat in the same boat (no pun intended).  I'm interested in picking
up a basic GPS unit at Christmas.... don't need maps, color, etc.  Just the
basics of time, speed, distance, and coordinates.  If you respond to John
back-channel, please include me as well.  

Thanks

Rick

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> Subject: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
> 
> 
> My wife has expressed an interest in a GPS unit and I have been doing
> some looking on the web, with an idea of getting her one for 
> Christmas.
> As a result I am suffering from info overload.
> 
> If anyone has some strongly held opinions on make, model, and features
> for the semi serious Kayaker I would love to get your input.
> 
> You can reply back channel if you want to avoid clogging up the list
> serve.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> John Blackburn   digipixs_at_erols.com
> Red/Green Diamante
> 

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From: Nick Schade <schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:31:07 -0500
Last spring I purchased my first GPS, a Garmin eTrex. I got the 
silver one that has the charting. I highly recommend the charting. It 
includes all the navigational markers in the US. You can plot a 
course by selecting a marker. You do not need to translate the 
Lat-Long from your paper chart to the GPS. Just scroll around till 
you find where you want to go and say "GO TO".

Entering coordinates is fine as long as you plan ahead and enter 
every possible way-point you might need. Personally, I am not that 
organized. With the chart I can change my plans on the water quickly 
and accurately. The chart also serves as another good idiot check. If 
you don't trust your compass or the course given by the GPS, you can 
check the charting to see if you are actually moving in the right 
direction.

The charts in my GPS are crude. Small islands are missing, but most 
towns are identified and any thing over a mile is diameter generally 
shows up. Plus, as I say nav markers are there whether or not the 
harbor shows up realistically. You can down load more accurate charts 
if neccessary, but the crude chart is good enough for most purposes 
especially since you will be carrying a paper chart as well.

Garmin offers a variety of price points in the eTrex line. They all 
appear good. More $$$ gives a better display, more satellite 
channels, more memory for waypoints, and then charting. They are 
water resistant. I use mine in a waterproof bag. I can manipulate the 
controls fairly well through the plastic.
Nick

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Nick Schade
Guillemot Kayaks
824 Thompson St
Glastonbury, CT 06033
(860) 659-8847
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From: Ulli Hoeger <uhoeger_at_hotmail.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:34:38 -0400
>From: Nick Schade >Last spring I purchased my first GPS, a Garmin eTrex.
I got the >silver one that has the charting. I highly recommend the
charting.

Well, charting is something to argue about.  I agree that databases with
all marine navigational aids are usefull, but all the maps I have seen so
far on handheld GPS are really crude. My basic yellow eTrex does a good
job for 2 years now.  More memory would be desirable, navigational marker
database as well, maybe in a couple of years... 

On the other hand it is fairly easy to upload waypoints and makers of my
paddling play grounds to the GPS before I head out.  I got digital maps
on my computer (topos and marine) and getting coordinates of buoeys and
other landmarks is just a click and a 2nd one to get them into the GPS. 
Keeps the list of waypoints short and easy to access.

>Garmin offers a variety of price points in the eTrex line. They all

>appear good. More $$$ gives a better display, more satellite

>channels, more memory for waypoints, and then charting.

 Here is a little mistake in your list.  All recent Garmin receivers are
12 channel parallel satellite receivers.  Some of the newer eTrex's
feature WAAS, a new additional signal which is supposed to increase
accuracy.  Also those see/work with a max. of 12 satellites at a time
(the best I ever had was 9 birds in view).

If I would be in the market right now I would take a serious look at the
new Garmin GPS 76, the one without the mapping (and buy digital maps for
the money I save).

My 0.02$

Ulli

 

 

 

 


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From: Bob Denton <gulfstream_at_flinet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:12:38 -0500
I have been using Garmins for a number of years and have been happy with
both the product and company. They are constantly updating the software
fro their recent products and when I have experienced a failure, the
product is replaced, no questions asked!

I do DO NOT use a bag for my GPS and keep it on the deck. I do use the
West Marine floating case which offers a little protection. I always
rinse in fresh water after every use and remove the batteries to dry the
few drops of water that occasionally enter the battery compartment.

I have used the GPS12 series since they came out. I currently have the
12 MAP and like it a lot. I have the topo CD and get accurate displays
of even small islands and mangroves. I also have some of the other
Garmin software and use it while traveling, especially when flying. I
slide the optional antennae between the shade and the window. I guess
that use is now history. Battery life is around 24 hours.

I am saving my pennies for the 76 map, because it has more memory and I
can download more maps for traveling. The screen has slightly better
resolution as well.

If you are looking for a basic (cheap?) unit, you may be better off
getting a used 12 MAP.

Cya!



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From: cholst <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:50:13 GMT
Bob Denton writes:

> I have been using Garmins for a number of years and have been happy with
> both the product and company. They are constantly updating the software
> fro their recent products and when I have experienced a failure, the
> product is replaced, no questions asked!

I can second that. When the backup battery in my first GPS 12XL died, Garmin 
replaced the entire unit free with a newer unit, even though it was by then 
out of warranty (they had received a batch of bad batteries from the battery 
manufacturer). 

Another advantage of Garmin products is the wealth of freeware and shareware 
computer programs that have been written for them. I even found a freeware 
program called GPilotS (http://www.cru.fr/perso/cc/GPilotS/) that allows me 
to upload, download, and edit Garmin waypoints, routes, and tracks on a Palm 
OS PDA. The main advantage of this program for me is that I can now 
periodically save my track data on a long trip and not be concerned about it 
being overwritten if I use the GPS during the long drive home from the 
takeout. Newer models may not have this problem, since, I understand, some 
of them can save multiple tracks. 

> I am saving my pennies for the 76 map, because it has more memory and I
> can download more maps for traveling. The screen has slightly better
> resolution as well.

Another advantage of the GPS 76 is that the buttons are on the front of the 
unit, unlike the Etrex series, which has them on the side. This makes it a 
easier to operate if you keep it in a case on your deck. The GPS 76 also 
floats (it's a little bulkier, though, for this reason). 

I'm satisfied with my GPS 12XL, however. 

Chuck Holst 
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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:36:06 -0800 (PST)
Nick Schade <schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com> wrote:
>Last spring I purchased my first GPS, a Garmin eTrex. I got the 
>silver one that has the charting. I highly recommend the charting. It 
>includes all the navigational markers in the US. You can plot a 
>course by selecting a marker. You do not need to translate the 
>Lat-Long from your paper chart to the GPS. Just scroll around till 
>you find where you want to go and say "GO TO".

West Marine has their own special "eTrex Mariner" that is white,
waterproof, and also has chart features.  I can't remember whether it's
cheaper and has fewer features, or more than the silver one, and
consequently more expensive...

Shawn

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From: Ulli Hoeger <uhoeger_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] GPS Units???
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:26:20 -0400
>From: "cholst" >The main advantage of this program for me is that I can
now >periodically save my track data on a long trip and not be concerned
>about it >being overwritten if I use the GPS during the long drive home
from >the >takeout. Newer models may not have this problem, since, I
>understand, some >of them can save multiple tracks.  I can only speak
for my yellow eTrex, not exactly the most recent model. I can save
multiple tracks, up to 10 if I recall right, but the active trak log is
still limited to a certain number of points (~2000).  If this number is
reached, the tracklog starts overwriting the oldest points.  In other
word on a long trip you will loose the beginning of the trip.  Can be a
problem if you planed to use trackback to get back home.   As far as I
know newer units still have the same restrictions on points in the active
log, therefore the problem remains basically the same.  It's good advice
to save traks as soon as the memory indicates 95% usage.  But you'lll
need to check the display frequently to save in time.  There is not
automatic function to do that for you.  A disadvantage of saving the
active log into the memory of the unit is taht some information is lost
(time/altitude), therefore speed calculations will not work
anymore........Great if you can use a notebook or palm to do the data
capturing. Garmin seems to be #1.  Most of the software -espcl. free- or
shareware- is made for Garmin, and most of this software is for the PC.I
am using gartrip (www.gartrip.de), a shareware program and found that the
one easiest to use and to give me the functions I need now. Ulli   

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