John wote: > Your being offline for a couple of days just makes it hit home > once again how great Paddlewise is as a service. Now that it is > running from your home and is not on a commercial server, it's got > me wondering who is footing the bill for this. Is this costing you > and/or Kirk money as well as all the time that it must take? I second John's question, and now realize how under-appreciated the list in general, and you and Kirk in particular, truly are. Thank you for making this list happen! Jolie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On May 22, 10:41am, "Jolie Smilowicz" wrote: } Subject: [Paddlewise] Fw: Paddlewise.net outage } John wote: } } > Your being offline for a couple of days just makes it hit home } > once again how great Paddlewise is as a service. Now that it is } > running from your home and is not on a commercial server, it's got } > me wondering who is footing the bill for this. Is this costing you } > and/or Kirk money as well as all the time that it must take? } } I second John's question, and now realize how under-appreciated the list in } general, and you and Kirk in particular, truly are. Thank you for making } this list happen! Hi John, Jolie, Well, yes, it does cost us money. Computer equipment, domain name registration, and most of all a full-time Internet connection with a dedicated IP address. When we started out we had it hosted at my company, an ISP where I was a minor partner, but we eventually sold the company and had to move the kayak mailing lists and websites somewhere else last summer - so we just set it up at home. Most of the equipment and the Internet link is multiple use, though; not much is really dedicated just to Paddlewise, though we'd probably get by with less if we didn't have Paddlewise to think about. It all started with the California Kayak Friends in 1995, with both a mailing list and a website, then my wife Jackie set up GASP! (Gulf Area Sea Paddlers) before she moved to California. Then the Wave~Length list and Kirk's Baidarka list needed new homes, and I volunteered to host them. I personally ran Wave~Length for a while in 1997 but dropped out over a major disagreement over how to handle Sponsonman. Shortly thereafter Jackie set up Paddlewise in January 1998 since she really felt we needed a semi-moderated kayak group to keep the flames down - especially the sponsonman-induced flames. Last summer we moved everything onto our home server, and of course recently Kirk took over Paddlewise from Jackie. It's been a long paddle, but fun. Thanks for the appreciation; this has been my contribution to the kayaking community and I'm glad you've enjoyed it. I've kept a fairly low profile since the days I ran Wave~Length; tech support should be as invisible as possible generally, IMHO. I think this last weekend is the longest outage we've had in 7 years. Sorry about that, again. Bob Myers Paddlewise.net system admin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Bob Myers wrote: > Hi John, Jolie, > > Well, yes, it does cost us money. Computer equipment, domain name > registration, and most of all a full-time Internet connection with a > dedicated IP address. When we started out we had it hosted at my company, > an ISP where I was a minor partner, but we eventually sold the company > and had to move the kayak mailing lists and websites somewhere else > last summer - so we just set it up at home. [very large snip] wow, i hadn't realized how long i've been "hanging around" you folks until i read this!! i truely appreciate the work involved in running the list!! i have done a similar thing for a local paddling list/website, the Colorado Paddler's Resource, and after problem after problem, we now run the mail server from our house. our ISP serves the web pages, the mailserver in our "office" bedroom is connected to the net via dialup phone line, as there is no type of high speed access where we live. it would be cool to have dsl/cable modem connection. you and jackie gave me the "courage" to start a local mailing list. i'm proud to be a "plank owner" of paddlewise & gasp. the enormity of the contribution the two of you have made to the paddling community cannot even be measured [not to slight kirk, it really has been the three plus of you ;-] you are apprciated more than can be expressed in email ;-) THANK YOU mark -- #------seakayaker[at]dotzen[dot]org-----/------------------------------ mark zen o__/ o_/| o_. po box 474 [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 `\--------/--------/' (`----|-------\-') http://www.dotzen.org/folks/markz ~~/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. ~~ English Proverb http://www.dotzen.org/paddler - The Colorado Paddlers' Resource *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Looks like they may schedule another large release on the Grand Canyon to help re-build the beaches. Great news for Jan 2003 or later: http://www.uc.usbr.gov/pao/exp_flows_glencanyondam.html Also starting on May 24 they will do a steady release of 8,000 cfs for 10 days. 8,000 is really low water for the Grand Canyon, I hate rowing Horn Creek at that water level. They will be doing studies on the river during this special steady release. Wasn't Steve S. on the Canyon now? -- MZ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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