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From: Doug Lloyd <dougl_at_islandnet.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:10:58 -0700
Sid said:

<<<<
I've always been curious and since we're on the subject how about an
informal poll? 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
thousand miles cumulative? 2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for
ten or more consecutive days?
>>>>

1. Lost count at three thousand a decade or more ago. After the first
five years the Orthopod opened up my shoulder joints and said the two
bursa, respectively, appeared to be similar to that of a 70 year old man
- once he found them. Of course, the first five years I purposely always
planned my trips so I'd be paddling against the tide. Some would say
that that kind of "planning" was oxymoronic. I figured the tactic
increased my perceived mileage. So, if I said 10,000 miles to-date in
actuality, I could have covered 15,000 with "better" planning. Hey, was
the question nautical or statute miles? And what about accumulated
vertical travel over the years? Does all the paddling in big swell,
uphill over the years, deserve a figure? Oops, now I'm sounding elitist.
Heaven forbid! (so says the sassy sick man who's sitting out this season
so far).

2. Right on 10 days, that's my max. That's my max 'cause I paddle a
Nordkapp. Can't bring my Thermarest if packing for more than 10 days,
and you are not a real sea kayaker without your Thermarest. I do know
one interesting thing: when I go on longer, multi-day, wilderness sea
kayaking trips, I never get migraines, I sleep like a baby after the
first two days, I loose weight no matter how many carbs eaten, I never
get stressed-out (unless I've chosen to paddle with poorly-skilled
paddlers on rougher coasts), and I finally feel like I'm really in a
church. I'd love to spend a month or more on a continuos trip. Maybe one
day. Right now, I'd just like to go for a day. Maybe in June.

Doug Lloyd (who hopes he never comes across as elitist -- passionate
yes! -- but not elitist)


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From: <Heike_Robinson_at_lakeland.cc.oh.us>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:10:14 -0400
> 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
> thousand miles cumulative?

no, only half a thousand

> 2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or
> more consecutive days?

yes, 12 days

Heike


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From: Ari Saarto <ari0236_at_Saunalahti.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:52:09 +0300
> 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
> thousand miles cumulative?

Now more than 2000.

> 2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or
> more consecutive days?

Yep. During the last years one trip every summer, 15-21 days.

Ari - Finland

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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_mtaonline.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:30:15 -0800
>1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three thousand miles
cumulative?
>Conservative guess 2500 plus miles sea kayaking and probably just as many
whitewater

>2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or more consecutive days?
 7 trips of 10 - 15 days

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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:40:26 -0400
1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three thousand miles


cumulative?





    I'll have hit 5000 by the end of this month (since '88)





2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or more consecutive days?


 


    Not me.  Bays on occasion.











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From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:44:56 -0700
Sid Taylor <tayls_at_snowcrest.net> wrote:

> 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three thousand miles cumulative?
> 
> 2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or more consecutive days?

I estimate about 4000 miles, over 10 seasons, much of it on fresh water.

Several extended trips on salt water ... averaging about two or three 10-12 day
jaunts each summer, along with three or four five-day stints on fresh water.

Just curious why the interest in "salt" water -- if an attempt to discern
whether we paddle "demanding" conditions, perhaps Sid might want to query folks
who have paddled the big lakes (Great) or similar conditions.  The Lower
Columbia, my home paddling waters, has some enormous fetches, and can be as
gnarly as near-shore protected ocean waters (Georgia Straits, tamer parts of
Puget Sound, etc.).

Not bragging, just curious what Sid is after.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:03:45 +1000
G'Day,

3000 miles this year over a period of three and a half years - paddle three
times a week - typically about 3 miles on Thursday night to a really good
fish and chip shop, 12 miles on Saturday anywhere on the bonny blue ocean
and 6 miles on Sundays to the best coffee shop around Sydney harbour. Oh its
tough!!!

But consecutive days? Only five I'm afraid and even that was cheating
because I wasn't sleeping in the boat on the ocean overnight:~) In fact the
only person I know who can do that safely in a single is Peter Rattenbury
using a modified Klepper. Have others had to do this ever?

All the best, PeterO



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From: Arthur Hebert <seacajun_at_gs.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:58:32 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "PeterO" <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
Only five I'm afraid and even that was cheating
> because I wasn't sleeping in the boat on the ocean overnight:~) In fact
the
> only person I know who can do that safely in a single is Peter Rattenbury
> using a modified Klepper. Have others had to do this ever?


Unescorted 20 days 738 miles open water crossing of the Gulf of Mexico in
1998.  I used a stock Eddyline Wind Dancer 24" beam 17 feet long.   I say
stock, the only extra added to the boat from the factory was the kayak was
glass and kelvar.  Of course I did add some extra deck rigging. The boat was
my bedroom kitchen bathroom hospital and playroom for the 20 days.
  Although I may have cheated a little bit.  I only got out of the boat once
( not by choice) when a rouge wave knocked me over when I was taking a crap.
High center of gravity was in fault and no paddle in my hands.


Arthur Hebert
    Louisiana
www.seacajun.com


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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:04:49 -0400
At 05:58 PM 5/7/02 -0500, Arthur Hebert wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>
>   Although I may have cheated a little bit.  I only got out of the boat once
>( not by choice) when a rouge wave knocked me over when I was taking a crap.

I hate it when that happens.

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From: Sid Taylor <tayls_at_snowcrest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:16:57 -0700
Dave,

As regards: > ....  just curious what Sid is after.

I'm just curious too. Of course there is big water in the places you
mention. It was an oversight.

> Just curious why the interest in "salt" water -- if an attempt to discern
> whether we paddle "demanding" conditions, perhaps Sid might want to query
folks
> who have paddled the big lakes (Great) or similar conditions.  The Lower
> Columbia, my home paddling waters, has some enormous fetches, and can be
as
> gnarly as near-shore protected ocean waters (Georgia Straits, tamer parts
of
> Puget Sound, etc.).

Sid





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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:42:02 -0700
On Tuesday, May 07, 2002, at 7:16:57 PM PST, Sid Taylor wrote:

> As regards: > ....  just curious what Sid is after.

> I'm just curious too. Of course there is big water in the places you
> mention. It was an oversight.

I don't think it really matters how many miles any of us has paddled
in our lives, but it was an interesting question to think about. I
never really thought about it in a cumulative sense until the question
was asked here, and when I did my guesstimation, I was quite surprised
at how quickly the miles can add up if one paddles almost every day.

Much the same with my bicycle riding. For most of my life, I never
used a bike calculator/odometer, but about 7 years ago, I got curious
and started using one. In just 7 years, I've put tens of thousands of
miles on the bike. I can hardly imagine how many miles went unrecorded
in the previous 30 or so years.

When I lived in NYC for many years, while I did my share of cab and
subway riding, my main and favorite forms of transportation were
biking and walking (obviously, this was before I discovered
paddling!). It's amazing how many miles we can cover on this planet by
our own human powered locomotion.

"How many miles?" is hardly ever the point; but it is interesting to
ponder now and then.

Melissa
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From: Steve Scherrer <flatpick_at_teleport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:29:44 -0700
Dave writes:>
> Just curious why the interest in "salt" water -- if an attempt to discern
> whether we paddle "demanding" conditions, perhaps Sid might want to query
folks
> who have paddled the big lakes (Great) or similar conditions.  The Lower
> Columbia, my home paddling waters, has some enormous fetches, and can be
as
> gnarly as near-shore protected ocean waters (Georgia Straits, tamer parts
of
> Puget Sound, etc.).

Gotta agree with Dave.  The Columbia can dish out conditions that will keep
the gnarliest of the gnarly happy.  I have paddled in 50 knots sustained and
8' seas, 20 minutes from PDX.  Add some current and some traffic and you can
have fairly challenging conditions.

Steve


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From: Anna L Lind <alind_at_cc.helsinki.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:18:25 +0300 (EET DST)
I counted some years back all my kilometers (sorry, I measure them, as I
prefer topographic maps to sea charts), so altogether it would be
7000-8000 km =  3800 to 4300 nautical miles overnight trips which are  at
least 20 N- miles long. (Can you make it more complicated?)
I dont count shorter trips.

Out of these trips most are 7-9 days long, and it also includes trips (or
expeditions) like 4 weeks solo paddling, 3 weeks Helsinki Stockholm, 3 weeks round
Estonian Islands. Some of the trips included are on lakes as well. I also
do quite a lot of 2-3 day trips. Almost all over the night have been spent
in a tent, and sometimes, when there are no mosquitos, out on the bare
cliffs.

Happy paddling!


Anna Leena Lind
alli_at_iki.fi


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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:26:15 -0400
> At 05:58 PM 5/7/02 -0500, Arthur Hebert wrote:
> >   Although I may have cheated a little bit.  I only got out of the boat
once
> >( not by choice) when a rouge wave knocked me over when I was taking a
crap.

You have to watch those rouge waves but the mascara ones are worse; they
really raise my eyebrows. :-)

ralph



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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:08:01 -0700 (PDT)
> 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
> thousand miles cumulative?

probably only 7- or 800

I've heard it's popular in some Finnish paddling clubs to try to paddle
1000km in a year.  1000mi in a year would be a heckuva serious
undertaking...not that 1000km isn't, but it's more within the realm of
a non-professional paddler

> 2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or
> more consecutive days?

:(  no

Shawn

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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:08:03 EDT
> > 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
> > thousand miles cumulative?
> 

I know I've paddled quite a bit, but I burned my log book several years ago, 
being it the only handy source of fire starter after a long day. (I just 
couldn't part with Miss July, or the accompanying text box with her vitals 
and profound commentaries on freedom, world peace and prosperity, social 
justice and a damn good night pub crawlin. Swanky little gal.) 

2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or
> more consecutive days?

Not me. 5-8 day trips are all this working stiff can manage. Anyway, I 
require a ceremonial bonfire for any synthetic underwear after 8 days, as 
even the rub board with press rollers I tote along for laundry doesn't seem 
to do it. What does *the ocean* mean anyway? Suppose there is an island 
between myself and Japan, is that still the ocean? What about riding in the 
lee of a paddling partner? One would think so but I'm not grading the test.

As for the original question I am skeptical there are 24 million people who 
have ever heard of a kayak, could draw a canoe, or describe the acronym pfd. 

A working friend of mine asks: what did you do for your vacation? 
I went paddling, I replied.
Oh, you naughty boy! 
(Another failed connection to the assumed 225 million others in this 
country.)


Rob G

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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:14:31 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community


> > > 1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three
> > > thousand miles cumulative?

I once traveled 3,000 miles with my boat in just under 6 hours.  Of course,
it was in the baggage hold of the airplane. :-)

ralph diaz

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From: Fernando Lopez Arbarello <kayakargentina_at_earthlink.net>
subject: re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:06:04 -1000
1. How many of you have paddled one, two or three thousand miles
cumulative?

I started to paddle 18 years ago, when I was 18 yo. ... ( should I play
the lotto ? --- :) ). My longest continuous trip was 1000 miles and
lasted 25 days, camping almost every day. I don't have a track log but an
estimate easyly pass the 12000 seakayaking plus probably 2000 whitewater.
|2. How many of you have paddled the ocean for ten or more consecutive
days?

Well, If you reffer to the ocean strictly, I unfortunately haven't done
trips that long yet. But If you're referring to open waters then I would
include several trips thru rivers which are 5 km or more wide in many
parts and where I had to sort all lind of general open water conditions
you can imagine. The longest is this 25 days trip I mentioned before.
Other of this trips includes a 30 miles open crossing of the "Rio de la
Plata" as part of a 10 days long trip. This crossin took me 7 hours of
continuous paddling under good calm conditions. I have never had to sleep
in my kayak ... kind of difficult to achieve on a Nordkapp ...

But now that I'm living in hawaii, I have no options than paddling on the
ocean .. and I still have my hollidays pending ... jejeje ... ;)

If yo go for a map of Argentina you will find Buenos Aires right on the
coast of the "Rio de la Plata". This river is the biggest estuary of the
world (some say ... ). The "Rio de la Plata" is fed by other 2 mayor
rivers, the "Parana" and the "Uruguay" forming a huge Delta at the mouth.
If you follow the "Parana" river uppstream (north) you will see it starts
at the region of "Pantanal" (Swamps) in Brazil. The 1000 miles long trip
I reffer is from the border between Argentina and Brazil, all the way
down the Parana River to Buenos Aires. If you find the same locations on
the globe you can see they are easily vissible, drawing a long scar on
the surface. I find it exiting to be able to say that I have paddle these
long scars ... as if this planet isn't so big after all ...

Best regards !

Fernando Lopez Arbarello
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From: Sid Taylor <tayls_at_snowcrest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] THOUSAND MILERS was Kayak Community
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:22:26 -0700
One and all,

Thanks you for the many postings regarding tour kayaking. I posed the
questions merely to satisfy my curiousity; certainly not to delineate an
elitist subgroup. If you have read the responses you have been treated to
some intriguing logs. Perhaps I will find to cut-and-paste a summary for
posting. This impressive pool of experience might serve as a useful
resource.

Please allow me some comments. Tour kayaking, the number of boats sold
notwithstanding, is an activity of relatively few. That is not to say that
one cannot have fun paddling liesurely on a serene lake. I often do. But
after all, tour kayaking is more than a boat, a paddle and a warm
(sometimes) body. Skills and equipment rise incrementally with the ambitions
and diligence of the dauntless paddler - as do the rewards.  Kayaks are, for
me, a vehicle of solitude and an intimate platform from which to observe the
marine environment. Miles are merely the measure of my joy.

Here on the coast of California, despite its population, there seem to be
few kayaks borne by the crests and swallowed by the troughs of our often
surly sea.  In 36 days the only other kayaker I saw along 1100 miles of
coast was a companion who accompanied me for 6-7 days. There were two SOTs
out from harbors to fish. Hence my curiousity as to worldwide numbers of
true tourers.

When I began kayaking solo I avidly sought those that might provide
information and insight based on their experience. I have several boxes of
useless kayaking paraphenalia and have slaughtered many sacred cows. Thanks
to the advent of the internet a free exchange of ideas and an often robust
debate helps to cull-out the more untenable misconceptions about the nature
of this seemiongly inexorable "sport". I am enriched.

And oh yeah, I have paddled a few miles but never with the simple efficiency
of a water spider.

Sid Taylor

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