Many thanks to: Alex Ferguson Michael Daly John Fereira Mary Z and Kirby Stevens I have the Keepers brand. Seems that the summer time temperatures here in North Carolina - USA, causes the polymer rails to distort and the braces often pop free and come to rest out of reach near the forward bulkhead as I am entering the boat and ^Ósettling in^Ô, argh! As far as rolling, it^Òs only a dream at present. I can^Òt even count on these things for edging. The Yakima brand looks good as it^Òs of metal construction, in my price range and please correct me if I^Òm wrong here, looks as if they will work with a rudder. I don't have a rudder installed but like the option of being able to add one. As far as building my own foot braces, this boat is poly and I currently live in a tent so that's out for now. Perhaps if I ever build a wooden boat I will get into that task. Again thanks, Alan Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 8:33:13 PM PST, Alan Bristol wrote: > The Yakima brand looks good as it^Òs of metal construction, in my > price range and please correct me if I^Òm wrong here, looks as if > they will work with a rudder. I don't have a rudder installed but > like the option of being able to add one. Hello Alan, I've been using the same set of Yakimas in my Caribou for almost six years now, and they're just as sturdy as when new. Just be sure to clean the sand out of them regularly. I'm getting ready to build my first wooden boat, and plan to use Yakima braces in that one as well. The ones I'm using are *not* for use with a rudder though, and I'm unsure if Yakima makes a rudder compatible foot brace system, as I've never looked into it. However - if they don't, I do know that there are pivoting foot pegs that allow the peg to be locked in a position, and rudder control is via the pivoting pedal. I once paddled a Dagger Sitka that used such a system, and it provided much better bracing support and control than the simple sliding type of rudder foot pegs. I think Seaward, Prijon and some others use this type as well. Perhaps one of those companies sell their foot brace/rudder control systems as after market units? Of course, I also don't know how such pivoting systems would work if you're using them without a rudder cable/strap attached. I'm sure someone here would know. Melissa -- PGP public keys: mailto:pgp_keys_at_gmx.co.uk?subject=0x46C29887&Body=Please%20send%20keys *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:41 AM 6/25/02 -0700, Melissa Reese wrote: >On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 8:33:13 PM PST, Alan Bristol wrote: > > > The Yakima brand looks good as it^Òs of metal construction, in my > > price range and please correct me if I^Òm wrong here, looks as if > > they will work with a rudder. I don't have a rudder installed but > > like the option of being able to add one. > >Hello Alan, > >I've been using the same set of Yakimas in my Caribou for almost six >years now, and they're just as sturdy as when new. Just be sure to >clean the sand out of them regularly. I'm getting ready to build my >first wooden boat, and plan to use Yakima braces in that one as well. >The ones I'm using are *not* for use with a rudder though, and I'm >unsure if Yakima makes a rudder compatible foot brace system, as I've >never looked into it. > >However - if they don't, I do know that there are pivoting foot pegs >that allow the peg to be locked in a position, and rudder control is >via the pivoting pedal. I once paddled a Dagger Sitka that used such a >system, and it provided much better bracing support and control than >the simple sliding type of rudder foot pegs. I think Seaward, Prijon >and some others use this type as well. Perhaps one of those companies >sell their foot brace/rudder control systems as after market units? See the link I posted. >Of course, I also don't know how such pivoting systems would work if >you're using them without a rudder cable/strap attached. I'm sure >someone here would know. The Prijon pegs work find without a rudder attached. In fact, new boats are shipped that way. The rudder is optional and is installed by the dealer or customer. It takes about 20 minutes. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:41 AM 6/25/02 -0700, Melissa Reese wrote: >On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 8:33:13 PM PST, Alan Bristol wrote: > > > The Yakima brand looks good as it^Òs of metal construction, in my > > price range and please correct me if I^Òm wrong here, looks as if > > they will work with a rudder. I don't have a rudder installed but > > like the option of being able to add one. > >Hello Alan, > >I've been using the same set of Yakimas in my Caribou for almost six >years now, and they're just as sturdy as when new. Just be sure to >clean the sand out of them regularly. I'm getting ready to build my >first wooden boat, and plan to use Yakima braces in that one as well. >The ones I'm using are *not* for use with a rudder though, and I'm >unsure if Yakima makes a rudder compatible foot brace system, as I've >never looked into it. Oh, BTW, my Outer Island is *almost* finished. All I have left to do is the foam outfitting in the cockpit, a bit of sanding and varnish, and install the deck lines and bungies (the deck is already prepped). If I really wanted to, I could paddle it today. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Melissa wrote] >I'm getting ready to build my >first wooden boat, and plan to use Yakima braces in that one as well. If you go as far as building the kayak why not build the footbraces too. Very simple, no holes in the side of the hull, very simple to adjust and save an enormous amount of money. Alex . . *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 02:00 PM 6/26/02 +1200, Alex Ferguson wrote: >[Melissa wrote] > >>I'm getting ready to build my >>first wooden boat, and plan to use Yakima braces in that one as well. > >If you go as far as building the kayak why not build the footbraces too. >Very simple, no holes in the side of the hull, very simple to adjust and >save an enormous amount of money. An enormous amount of money? A set of Yakima braces run about $30. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 10:09:46 AM PST, John Fereira wrote: > Oh, BTW, my Outer Island is *almost* finished. All I have left to do > is the foam outfitting in the cockpit, a bit of sanding and varnish, > and install the deck lines and bungies (the deck is already > prepped). If I really wanted to, I could paddle it today. Wonderful! So which boat will you build next? :-) Also...thanks for all your help in recommending tools, sites for learning, etc. I've collected quite a few fun and exciting tools so far! Today I begin building my saw horses/cradles and a secondary work table. After all this investment in my work space, I guess I'll just have to keep building many boaties! Because of electrician and plumber delays, it's taking a bit longer to get started with my actual building project. The plumber will finally be here this afternoon to install the utility sink, and for now, I've been using a long extension cord for electricity (the electrician can't install the proper electricity until mid-July, and that's just too long to wait!). I'll be ordering my kit this week (I'll start with a CLC Arctic Hawk kit). Next boat after that will probably be from the plans in the Fall 1994 Sea Kayaker magazine. Then perhaps a W. Greenland SOF or two or three! I'm also going to be carving my own Greenland paddles (I'm a recent convert to this lovely type of paddle/technique). This is just too much fun! :-) Several years ago, when I first sat in a kayak and paddled around in circles for an hour, I came back to the dock and told the rental shop owner that I'd found another passion in my life. He just smiled and said that everyone says that. I assured him right then and there that this was going to be a *crazy passion* of mine...and I knew I was right. Here I am, six years later, crazier and happier than ever...just another paddlin' fool! (the owner of that kayak shop is also now one of my dearest friends and paddling buddies). Melissa -- PGP public keys: mailto:pgp_keys_at_gmx.co.uk?subject=0x46C29887&Body=Please%20send%20keys *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
(Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (i.e. headers/footers/sig lines/comments from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material and list footers when replying to posts!) At 08:33 PM 6/21/02 -0700, Alan Bristol wrote: > >The Yakima brand looks good as it^Òs of metal construction, >looks as if >they will work with a rudder. I don't have a rudder installed but >like the option of being able to add one. The standard Yakima foot braces will *not* work with a rudder. There are essentially two types of foot braces you can get if you want a rudder. The most common is the sliding foot pegs style. The disadvantage of this type is the you rarely get a firm peg even when the rudder is up and secured in whatever is set up to hold the rudder on the deck. When the rudder is deployed you can't push on the foot peg when you want to brace or roll without moving the rudder and having peg go forward. The other style is the "gas pedal" style. The peg remains fixed in the rail (but adjustable) and the rudder cables are controlled by pressing the of the peg (like a gas pedal). This style is found on Prijon and Seaward boats and are available from Wildnet (the U.S. Prijon distributor) at: https://shop.wildnet.com/products.asp?pline=PARTSK *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, at 4:44:01 AM PST, John Fereira wrote: Alex: >> If you go as far as building the kayak why not build the footbraces >> too. Very simple, no holes in the side of the hull, very simple to >> adjust and save an enormous amount of money. John: > An enormous amount of money? A set of Yakima braces run about $30. Well, to be fair, $30 USD would be about $62 NZD (where Alex is). To address another concern about the Yakima foot braces...whether to drill holes through the hull or not... I've been looking into how others have attached them without the need to put holes through the hull, and it looks possible. I think I'll try one of those methods. I will continue to look into the alternatives that others have come up with - as long as they're adjustable - as I'd like other people to be able to paddle the boats as well. If anyone has a set of plans for building adjustable foot braces in a wooden boat, and would like to share them, feel free to contact me back channel. Thanks! Melissa -- PGP public keys: mailto:pgp_keys_at_gmx.co.uk?subject=0x46C29887&Body=Please%20send%20keys *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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