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From: Jan Mason <td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 02:27:26 -0400
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I am in the process of putting in a day hatch/compartment in a composite
kayak.  The hatch is going in on the starboard side and the deck is kind
of flat.  Which hatches should I consider.  Any installation tips so I
don't end up with a real big learning experience?  The kayak is kevlar.
What is the best way to cut the hole in the rear deck for the hatch?

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Jan Mason
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From: Robert Livingston & Pam Martin <bearboat2_at_attbi.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:22:00 -0700
I am very happy with Kajak Sport Hatches that I installed on my fiberglass
boats.

Used 3M 5200 to attach to the kayaks. Messy stuff to work with (use gloves
and be outside) but very strong. I have installed 13 of these without a hint
of failure.

Completely waterproof.

I have used primarily the approx. 9" one. It has worked well. You might want
the approx. 6" one for the day hatch.

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From: Jan Mason <td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:58:24 -0400
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I just ran into 3M 5200 for the first time a few weeks ago.  The rear
foam bulkhead was sealed in place with it.  I had to use a dremel tool
with a reinforced cut-off wheel to remove it from the kayak.

My final plans for the day hatch is a VCP 7.5" hatch.  I made the choice
between the VCP and Kajak Sports hatches based on size.  The day
compartment is 11" bulkhead to bulkhead.  The bulkheads are 6mm Okoume
mahogany plywood fiberglassed on both sides.  The bulkhead will be cut
0.25" short of the hull and that space between the edge of the bulkheads
and the hull will be filled in with 3M 5200.  No hard point between the
hull and the bulkhead.  The bulkhead will also be fiberglassed to the
hull.  The theory is that the stresses on the hull will all go to the
fiberglass tape over a wide area and not on the small, 6mm, area at the
intersection of the bulkhead and the hull.  This should, in theory, keep
the gel coat from cracking around the bulkheads.  I am going to install
it so that the top of the hatch is flush with the deck.  It is going to
be more work but it will keep it out of the way for stuff like paddle
float rescues.  The hatch will also be supported by the bulkheads.  I
don't want to cause leaks because I sat on the hatch, put a knee or
whatever on it.  I got the idea from the following web site:

http://www.seaspiritkayaks.com/SS2/ss2vcpasmbyframe.htm

Robert Livingston & Pam Martin wrote:
| I am very happy with Kajak Sport Hatches that I installed on my fiberglass
| boats.
|
| Used 3M 5200 to attach to the kayaks. Messy stuff to work with (use gloves
| and be outside) but very strong. I have installed 13 of these without
a hint
| of failure.
|
| Completely waterproof.
|
| I have used primarily the approx. 9" one. It has worked well. You
might want
| the approx. 6" one for the day hatch.

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Jan Mason
813-546-0644
td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com

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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:04:34 -0400
Hi Jan,
I assume you mean the paddlefloat.  This is one of the few
things I would use the day hatch for, instead consider using
the cockpit (or leave it on deck).  No need to compromise
any seals (that aren't already) when you are in a position
of needing a paddle float.  Outside of this, you will find
it a very useful, accessible storage.

Jan Mason wrote:
 It is going to
> be more work but it will keep it out of the way for stuff like paddle
> float rescues. 
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From: Chuck Holst <cholst_at_bitstream.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:02:02 -0500
Another advantage of the VCP hatch is that the cover is easier to remove 
with one hand, which is important if you intend to get at the contents on 
the water. I suspect this is one reason the Romanys have a VCP hatch for 
the day compartment and Kayaksport hatches for the other compartments. 
Kajaksport hatch covers seal well and last longer, but always seem to 
require two hands to remove.

Chuck Holst

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From:	Jan Mason [SMTP:td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com]

My final plans for the day hatch is a VCP 7.5" hatch.  I made the choice
between the VCP and Kajak Sports hatches based on size.


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From: Jan Mason <td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:25:35 -0400
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Thanks.  New information.  I just ordered the 7.5" VCP hatch last Friday
at my local kayak shop.  I'll get it in a couple of weeks.  At least I
ordered the right one.

Chuck Holst wrote:
| Another advantage of the VCP hatch is that the cover is easier to remove
| with one hand, which is important if you intend to get at the contents on
| the water. I suspect this is one reason the Romanys have a VCP hatch for
| the day compartment and Kayaksport hatches for the other compartments.
| Kajaksport hatch covers seal well and last longer, but always seem to
| require two hands to remove.
|
| Chuck Holst
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From:	Jan Mason [SMTP:td376_at_mail.anonymizer.com]
|
| My final plans for the day hatch is a VCP 7.5" hatch.  I made the choice
| between the VCP and Kajak Sports hatches based on size.

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From: John March <jsmarch_at_acpub.duke.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Day hatch installation on a composite kayak
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:34:46 -0400
At 01:02 PM 8/19/2002 -0500, Chuck Holst wrote:
>Kajaksport hatch covers seal well and last longer, but always seem to
>require two hands to remove.

The solution: 303 uv protectant makes the day hatch on my Quest easy to 
remove and replace on the water.  Otherwise, it is a PITA.




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