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From: William Wetzel <wewjr_at_attbi.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Request for exercise advice
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:06:24 -0400
Any personal trainers/paddlers out there?  I am looking for advice on
exercises that will strengthen the muscles used during the  Eskimo roll hip
snap.  I paddle a Current Designs Gulfstream and have been trying for years to
develop a dependable roll. I was first taught the C-to-C roll and want to
stick with it for now.  After five to ten attempts, failure is almost a
certainty due, in part, to a weak snap.  I belong to a fitness club with Cybex
machines and free weights.  I confess to being 74 years young but in great
shape - considering.  Thanks for your thoughts..





Bill Wetzel


Dover, NH



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From: David Flory <daflory_at_pacbell.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Request for exercise advice
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:48:47 -0700
>Any personal trainers/paddlers out there?  I am looking for advice on
>exercises that will strengthen the muscles used during the  Eskimo roll hip
>snap.

I'd suggest an old yoga/karate exercise where you lie on your side on the
floor and lift both legs as high towards the ceiling as you can. If
that's too hard to start with, lift just the top leg and work towards
lifting both legs with sideways tipping of the hips. Whatever you do, do
it slooooowly!! The slower you exercise the better your form will be, the
safer it will be and the harder it will work you better, resulting in
better results.  

Advice from a 64 year old strong fat guy, who spent a couple of years
working as a personal trainer in a 24 Hour Fitness place. I wouldn't feel
to sanguine about the degree of knowledge of the average personal
trainer. 98% of those I knew didn't know _at_%^_at_ about exercise. I had to
take all of 32 hours of training to get to be a "Certified Personal
Trainer". If I didn't have a BA in Biology from Harvard I'd be just as
ignorant as most of them are. At least 75% of the class time was spent
learning how to con people into signing up for personal trainer sessions.
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   Dave Flory, San Jose, CA.  daflory_at_pacbell.net  Go Sea Kayaking!!  
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From: Fernando Lopez Arbarello <kayakargentina_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Request for exercise advice
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:02:28 -1000
Hi Bill,

After many years of teaching roll, I can tell you that women usually learn
the technique faster than men. But you will wonder how can this be possible
being women "weaker" than men ? The answer is exactly that ... women know
they don't have the same strengh ( generally speaking, ladies ... ) so they
rely on their technique, developing it, finding the way to do it without
strengh. And they succeed.

By using our strengh for everything, we men always fall on the same mistake,
we concentrate on finding the right spot, the proper moment when to apply
our strengh, and forget about the technique. We fail.

Unless you specifically know that your hips are weak ( I mean, said by the
physician ), you may be on the wrong path. The fact that there are so many
different ways to do the roll, is indicative that not everybody feels
comfortable with the same technique. You may like the C to C roll, and be
failing it just because your body doesn't feel completely comfortable with
it, or even when you think you understand it step by step on your mind, your
body just don't respond as supposed to.

This is a very common problem, happens to everybody, your age shouldn't be a
problem at all. There is no need of strengh for any rolling technique, not
at all. It is just a smooth continuous movement, but very unusual and
generally dificult to understand by the body. My suggestion is this ...

Take a brake with the C to C. Try other techniques, I would suggest the
screw or the pawlatta. Screw is my favorite for being absolutely efortless
and smooth, easy to understand. Develope it untill you feel confident that
no matter what happens during your practices, you can rely on it as a bomb
proof backup roll.

Then go back to the C to C, practice it wearing a snorkel mask. This way you
can take your time underwater, see what you are doing, see if your body is
doing what you want him to do. Get asistance from an instructor or a friend
with a good roll. Analyze every simple movement and find where you fail.
Then you can practice easily, so if you fail your first chance with your c
to c , you will still be able to reposition yourself for that bomb proof
roll you have achieved before.

I have recenly teaching the roll to a friend. After a few days
sistematically failing the c to c, ( he saw it on a video and wanted to
learn it ) I convinced him to try the screw roll. He made it in only half an
hour. 2 hours later he could do it on both sides. Now we will go back to the
c to c which I am sure he will complete without trouble.

Being able to roll with any of the techniques lets your body get used to the
new movements and gives you that extra confidence that you can rely on it
and not bail anymore. Then you can concentrate to work out all the other
techniques.

The hip snap of the c to c is meant to supply an extra impulse that will
roll the boat very fast. You also position your paddle well above the water
level when you reach the first "C". These two characteristics are very
desirable in white water, where you are dealing with rocks and rapids ...
the faster the better. But in seakayaking all you usually have is water,
sometimes wind, so you can use any of the other techniques which don't
require the hip snap at all. As I said, the screw is very easy, efficient,
and you finish in a position from which you are ready to paddle or brace as
required.

I hope I have been of your help.

And thank you for showing all of us that age is not an excuse when you want
to learn something new, even when it is fisical and demanding. Go to work
"kid" ... you have a lot of practice ahead !!!

Best regards !

Fernando Lopez Arbarello
***  KAYAK ARGENTINA  ***
http://home.earthlink.net/~kayakargentina

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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Request for exercise advice
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:48:52 EDT
In a message dated 8/13/2002 9:09:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
kayakargentina_at_earthlink.net writes:


> practice it wearing a snorkel mask. This way you
> can take your time underwater, see what you are doing, see if your body is
> doing what you want him to do. 

And another thing, Radical Gear makes a underwater snorkel breathing tube for 
about thirty bucks. You can see the ad in most kayak magazines. You can make 
one with a snorkel you may have handy, some clear pvc tubing and a bit of 
foam to fit under your legs to keep the tube in the correct position. Just 
run the tube up through your spray deck (around the waist) leaving enough 
length to comfortably grip in the mouth. Replenish air in the cockpit after 
you've taken a breath or two from it. It tastes gamey but unless your cockpit 
is super epoxy smelling it won't hurt too much. Watch out for grit, mud and 
sand, too.

My wife used the Radical Gear unit as the one I made and used was pretty well 
badly done. It helped quite a bit. The tube, with a mask, may help you sort 
things out under there until you get the muscle memory developed.

Rob G

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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Request for exercise advice
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:48:12 -0700
Radical Gear's web site announces that they are out of business and have
sold all of their products and are not accepting any orders.

Steve Holtzman
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>

> And another thing, Radical Gear makes a underwater snorkel breathing tube
for
> about thirty bucks. You can see the ad in most kayak magazines. You can
make
> one with a snorkel you may have handy, some clear pvc tubing and a bit of
> foam to fit under your legs to keep the tube in the correct position. Just
> run the tube up through your spray deck (around the waist) leaving enough
> length to comfortably grip in the mouth.


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