Hi- I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm not sure this is the right forum for my questions, but here goes anyway: I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I am 5' 7" 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. Each dealer seems to think that whatever they have on the shelf is perfect for me but I'm not so sure! I have seen a Seayak by Prijon and like its lines alot and am wondering if this would be a good way to go. Any advice would be appreciated. Roger Lumb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:44 PM 9/18/02 -0400, Roger Lumb wrote: >Hi- >I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm not sure this is the right forum for my questions, Ah, don't let the thick and thin of hassles about paddles get to you -- yet, anyway. That's just some of the senior gearheads warming up their arguements. We do often talk about rec boats and lazy kayaking and stuff like that. >I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I am 5' 7" 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. Each dealer seems to think that whatever they have on the shelf is perfect for me but I'm not so sure! I have seen a Seayak by Prijon and like its lines alot and am wondering if this would be a good way to go. Any advice would be appreciated. Would you expect a dealer to do anything different? (he said, cynically.) A Seayak might be a good boat for you, but there are plenty of others. You're looking for a fairly stable touring beginning boat, probably in plastic, probably around 16 feet long by 24 inches wide, I'd guess. I'm the big guy boat person around here and not well versed on boats in that size, but there are many out there. Dagger Magellen, Eddyline Merlin, Perception Vizcaya are among some that come to mind. Welcome aboard. There's a lot of people on this echo that are well versed in what they do, better than I in most cases. Although it's been known to get dull at times, this is one of the best places on the net to learn about many aspects of sea (especially) kayaking. -- Wes --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wes Boyd's Kayak Place http://www2.dmci.net/wesboyd/kayak.htm Kayaks for Big Guys (And Gals) | Trip Reports | Places To Go | Boats & Gear --------------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:54 PM 9/18/02 +0000, Wes Boyd wrote: >At 01:44 PM 9/18/02 -0400, Roger Lumb wrote: > >Hi- > >I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm not >sure this is the right forum for my questions, > > >Would you expect a dealer to do anything different? (he said, cynically.) A >Seayak might be a good boat for you, but there are plenty of others. You're >looking for a fairly stable touring beginning boat, probably in plastic, >probably around 16 feet long by 24 inches wide, The Seayak is 16'6" long, 24" wide, plastic and fairly stable. However, I disagree with the suggestion that a "beginner" needs a fairly stable boat. From what I have seen most beginners can become comfortable with the initial stability in just any any plastic touring boat on the market in a matter of hours if not a couple of days. Making "stability" a high priority doesn't make sense to me given that it will mostly likely become a non-issue after just a couple of outings. A "fairly stable" boat is more of an issue in the context of the type of paddling one tends to do. If you're primarily going to use a boat for photography, fishing, or some other activity which requires a stable platform than "fairly stable" would become a higher criteria, but, IMHO, not as much for someone that eventually intends on paddling rougher open water and developing stronger skills. In fact, since "initial stability" by definition is the amount of resistance the hull has which takes it from a "flat on the water" state to and edged state, a boat with a lot of initial stability can become a liability when it comes to learning how to edge the boat, and learn how to brace. >I'd guess. I'm the big guy >boat person around here and not well versed on boats in that size, but >there are many out there. Dagger Magellen, Eddyline Merlin, Perception >Vizcaya are among some that come to mind. The Perception Shadow or even possibly a Perception Corona compares more closely to a Seayak. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: >I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm not sure this is the right forum for my questions, Hi howdy, Roger. This is the right forum for any and all safe paddling-related questions. >I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I am 5' 7", 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. I think at your size, the Seayak would be a bit too big. Wes mentioned some excellent boats--for the money/size/design, I think the Eddyline Night Hawk is a wonderful boat. It's 16' x 22" or 23", if I remember correctly. Carbonlite is a little more expensive than plastic, but cheaper and almost as stiff as fiberglass. It's a tough polycarbonate, but is easy to repair in the unlikely event you need to repair it. Since you're just getting into the sport, resist the urge to buy a new, shiny boat. Most people outgrow their first boats. Make the boat you outgrow a rental boat, or at least a used boat, so you don't lose as much money in depreciation. Of course, if you can afford it, you could always keep that first boat as a loaner for guests or friends you might wish to introduce to the sport. If you want to buy gear, buy a good fitting PFD from a reputable paddlesports PFD manufacturer (Lotus, Stohlquist, Extrasport [their kayaking/canoeing PFD's], MTI, Kokatat). You'll need it anyway, and might as well buy it now. Buy a decent mid-priced takeapart paddle. 2 reasons for making it a takeapart: If you don't absolutely love it, it will make a nice spare; or if you buy a fancier one, it will still make a nice spare. And, it gives you the option to try both feathered and unfeathered blades. Buy a 3mm neoprene wetsuit. You can augment this basic piece of immersion protection with various other pieces of clothing to be comfortable and safe in water temperatures from 45*F to 75*F. Take some classes, try a lot of boats, and then make a decision. Welcome! Shawn __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:19 AM 9/19/02 -0700, Shawn Baker wrote: >"Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: > >I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm > >not sure this is the right forum for my questions, > >Hi howdy, Roger. > >This is the right forum for any and all safe paddling-related >questions. > > >I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in >recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the >Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I >am 5' 7", 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. > >I think at your size, the Seayak would be a bit too big. Not so much that a little padding won't fix it. >Wes mentioned some excellent boats--for the money/size/design, I think >the Eddyline Night Hawk is a wonderful boat. It's 16' x 22" or 23", if >I remember correctly. I've paddled a Seayak a lot and spent a day in a Night Hawk. I'm just a bit bigger than Roger and, if anything, felt that the Night Hawk is roomier in the cockpit than a Seayak. The Night Hawk *is* a very nice boat though. I thought it was just a tad tippier than a Seayak but also had excellent secondary. Since you're just getting into the sport, resist the urge to buy a new, >shiny boat. Most people outgrow their first boats. Make the boat you >outgrow a rental boat, or at least a used boat, so you don't lose as >much money in depreciation. Of course, if you can afford it, you could >always keep that first boat as a loaner for guests or friends you might >wish to introduce to the sport. What Shawn said. >If you want to buy gear, buy a good fitting PFD from a reputable >paddlesports PFD manufacturer (Lotus, Stohlquist, Extrasport [their >kayaking/canoeing PFD's], MTI, Kokatat). You'll need it anyway, and >might as well buy it now. Again, I agree. If you get a PFD that isn't comfortable you're likely going to want to take it off. If you're not wearing it than it will not serve it's purpose >Buy a decent mid-priced takeapart paddle. 2 reasons for making it a >takeapart: If you don't absolutely love it, it will make a nice spare; >or if you buy a fancier one, it will still make a nice spare. And, it >gives you the option to try both feathered and unfeathered blades. > >Buy a 3mm neoprene wetsuit. You can augment this basic piece of >immersion protection with various other pieces of clothing to be >comfortable and safe in water temperatures from 45*F to 75*F. > >Take some classes, try a lot of boats, and then make a decision. All good advice...especially the part about taking some classes. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Roger, Shawn's advice is excellent - what my husband and I tell all newbies. I have a Perception Shadow (16'8", 22.25") which I love (I'm smaller than you). It is popular with many people your size and it handles well. It's been around for several years so you may find some used ones (then, again, the owners my not want to part with them!) Caroline --- Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > "Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: SNIP > Take some classes, try a lot of boats, and then make > a decision. > > Welcome! > > Shawn > * __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks Caroline. One of the ladies in my paddling club is selling her plastic Shadow..one year old, yellow rotomold. $1,000... in case anyone in the NW USA is interested. (or at least for a general point of reference as to the cost of used plastic). I think it's worth about $800 used--it's in great condition, but that's what used boats sell for. Shawn --- Caroline Roth <carolineroth_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a Perception Shadow (16'8", > 22.25") which I love (I'm smaller than you). It is > popular with many people your size and it handles > well. It's been around for several years so you may > find some used ones (then, again, the owners my not > want to part with them!) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:53 AM 9/19/02 -0700, Shawn Baker wrote: >Thanks Caroline. > >One of the ladies in my paddling club is selling her plastic >Shadow..one year old, yellow rotomold. $1,000... in case anyone in >the NW USA is interested. (or at least for a general point of >reference as to the cost of used plastic). I think it's worth about >$800 used--it's in great condition, but that's what used boats sell >for. Yes,$1000 does seem a little steep, and $800 a bit fairer price. On the other hand, a lot of people selling used kayaks include a paddle, PFD, sprayskirt, etc. so if one is in the market for a used kayak, and the price looks a little high, make sure to ask if it includes any other equipment. Since we're talking used boat prices... What would you consider a fair price for a three year old Northbay XL with a new coat of bottom paint and varnish on the deck? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:19:03AM -0700, Shawn Baker wrote: > "Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: >> I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in >> recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the >> Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I >> am 5' 7", 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. > I think at your size, the Seayak would be a bit too big. I can't comment on this kayak, as I have no direct experience with it. > Wes mentioned some excellent boats--for the money/size/design, I think > the Eddyline Night Hawk is a wonderful boat. It's 16' x 22" or 23", if > I remember correctly. Carbonlite is a little more expensive than > plastic, but cheaper and almost as stiff as fiberglass. It's a tough > polycarbonate, but is easy to repair in the unlikely event you need to > repair it. I'm not a huge fan of the Night Hawk (to be perfectly correct, since Eddyline very much revised their line for 2002, it's the Night Hawk 16 -- the Night Hawk 17.5 is the "other" Night Hawk, and the damned thing is big enough to probably make Wes happy). I've tried it, the Night Hawk 16, and have never cared for its handling characteristics. The best way I can describe it is as a "tub". But, different strokes for different folks. And I don't mean to insult the Night Hawk owners. Now before anyone thinks I hate Eddyline boats, there are three in my family. Mine is a kevlar Falcon 18, the other two are Merlin LTs. My wife is 5'2" and paddles the Merlin LT just because she finds it the most comfortable boat of the many she's tried. I would like to see her in the longer Merlin XT, as I think it's suited to a wider range of paddling. With luck, she'll give one another try this weekend. My recommendation for our new member would be that Eddyline Merlin XT I just mentioned. From family experience, I know that the size of the boat out to fit him perfectly. I've also found people who come from rec boats to take to the Merlins a little more quickly (in terms of coming to like and feel comfortable in them) than with many other touring kajaks. And even though it's got a 23" beam, I wouldn't put it into the "high initial stability -- damned near impossible to put on edge" category at all. Another nice think about the Eddylines is the Carbonlite material. It's not quite composite territory, but it's in many ways close. It's within a few bound of most composite boats of the same size and shape. Weighs WAY less than rotomolded plastic boats of the same size and shape. Looks nice, is durable, is easier to fix than glass composite. The retail on the Carbonlite Merlin XT is around $1800, but I can almost guarantee that with a little looking or calling about, you can pick up a brand new one at end of season prices for a good bit less (and I'm not talking a beat to shit, end of season, demo either). But, that's just my opinion. That and about $3 will get you a halfway decent latte somewhere. -.- jwd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:44 PM 9/18/02 -0400, Roger Lumb wrote: >Hi- >I just joined this group and after reading some of the discussions I'm not >sure this is the right forum for my questions, but here goes anyway: Welcome to the group. You're questions are quite appropriate. >I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in recreational >kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the Atlantic >coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I am 5' 7" 135 >lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. Each dealer seems to think that >whatever they have on the shelf is perfect for me but I'm not so sure! I >have seen a Seayak by Prijon and like its lines alot and am wondering if >this would be a good way to go. This is just my opinion, but based on the type of paddling you want to do, and that you're looking for a first sea kayak, the Prijon Seayak may very well be the perfect choice. The Seayak has a good balance of stability and performance. It's initial stability is high enough that I've seen dozens of people get into one that have never been in a kayak before (a friend of mine uses them in his rental fleet) and are quite comfortable in them. However, it's not so high as to restrict your ability to learn how to edge it, brace, or perform any skill one can do in a top-of-the-line. The secondary stability is quite good and provides a lot of confidence to those first learning how to brace. At 16'6" it is quite manoeverable. The Seayak has all the features of a top-of-the-line sea kayak such as double bulkheads/hatches, a nice deck line system, a good foot brace system, and generally good outfitting overall. The only real drawback with the Seayak is that it's heavy compared to other models in it's class. There are quite a few models in the same price/performance category but the Seayak has a couple of things going for it. 1. The plastic used by Prijon is top notch. This is a boat that will last you for years. In 2-3 years you may want to upgrade and the Seayak will hold its value well if you want to trade-up or would make a good second boat for a friend. 2. You already like how it looks. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: >> I am 5' 7" 135 lb and have looked at a lot of sea kayaks. Each dealer seems to think that whatever they have on the shelf is perfect for me but I'm not so sure! I have seen a Seayak by Prijon and like its lines a lot and am wondering if this would be a good way to go. Any advice would be appreciated. >> Get a couple lessons from a reputable outfitter and try different kayaks. That will make you as educated as possible for an initial purchase. Then, buy used, because most likely that first boat will not be the "perfect" boat (own five [blush]). A couple years down the road, if you are still doing this stuff, you'll know what is just right. There are so many different modes of sea kayaking that we can't tell what is going to work for you, two years hence. At your dimensions, consider "smaller" boats. The ones Wes Boyd mentioned are good benchmarks for comparing to any possible purchase. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 9:09:06 AM PST, Dave Kruger wrote: > At your dimensions, consider "smaller" boats. The ones Wes Boyd > mentioned are good benchmarks for comparing to any possible > purchase. Another very nice boat for smaller paddlers is the Mariner Elan. Mariner boats have a pretty unique hull design, and handle very nicely...without the need for a rudder or retractable skeg. [Roger...there's a member of this list who knows just about all there is to know about Mariner boats, and he may be willing to discuss their merits with you back channel. ;-)] Another possible option for getting a wonderful boat without a great deal of money is to build your own from a kit (or plans). There are some really nice designs/kits in Mahogany plywood/glass, Cedar strip/glass, and skin-on-frame. However, before choosing a boat to build, you'll probably want to gain some more experience paddling many different types, so you can make a more informed decision about the kind of boat you'd like. For your first boat, I do recommend trying as many as you can (renting, borrowing, etc.), finding one you like, and then looking for a used one in good condition. People usually take pretty good care of their boats, so you can usually find a good boat at a good price. -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 10:10:10AM -0700, Melissa Reese wrote: > Another possible option for getting a wonderful boat without a great > deal of money is to build your own from a kit (or plans). There are > some really nice designs/kits in Mahogany plywood/glass, Cedar > strip/glass, and skin-on-frame. However, before choosing a boat to > build, you'll probably want to gain some more experience paddling many > different types, so you can make a more informed decision about the > kind of boat you'd like. While I agree it's an option for producing a wonderful boat at a reduced price as compared to buying "off the shelf", I don't know how viable it is. Here are some arguments against it: 1) It's hard to paddle a design pre-purchase. If you happen to live near CLC or Pygmy, then that's not an issue, otherwise it is. 2) If you don't get to paddle one, the odds may be even higher than with a conventional first purchase at a store, that you'll wind up with the wrong boat. Even if you know a bit about boats, guessing at the paddling characteristics from the kit makers' catalog materials can be tough. And talking to them on the phone can be as frustrating as dealing with boating store staff. 3) If 1) / 2) don't bite you, you still face the need to customize the cockpit area of most kits to get a decent fit. This is usually less often a problem with manufactured boats. 4) And if you want to paddle this year, and don't live in a warm or mild climate, by the time you select the kit, get it delivered, gather the tools you need but might not have, and then build it, you'll be paddling sometime next year. Great idea, but I'm not sure it's the most viable. On the other hand, kits make a great way to get a second boat for a lot less cash :-) -.- jwd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 09:09:06AM -0700, Dave Kruger wrote: > Get a couple lessons from a reputable outfitter and try different > kayaks. That will make you as educated as possible for an initial > purchase. Then, buy used, because most likely that first boat will > not be the "perfect" boat (own five [blush]). A couple years down > the road, if you are still doing this stuff, you'll know what is > just right. There are so many different modes of sea kayaking that > we can't tell what is going to work for you, two years hence. The hysterical thing in the above advice (and I'm not laughing at Dave, but at the collective advice we give) is the comment that the first boat you get will not be the perfect boat, or that the first boat you get won't be right and you'll wind up dumping it anyway. >From what I've read here, and from what I hear from others who paddle, is that they've still got that first boat (if they've not been in the sport for more than say 8-10 years). And they've got boat number 2, and boat number 3, and ... (maybe in Dave's case 4 and 5 too). There isn't a perfect boat, and a fair share of us seem to accumulate more than one kayak as a result. On a more serious note: If you're not willing to learn a little up front (and it can seem like drinking from a fire hose at times), then the odds increase that your first purchase won't work at as well as it might. But if you're willing to learn a little before slapping down the plastic, and to take some test paddles with that knowledge in mind, there is a real good chance you'll get a boat you'll be happy with for some time. You may still sell it. But it's apt to be because you're paddling need have changed, or you've found something else you just can't do without and you either can't afford multiple boats or can't find a place to store them. Then again, take any of my advice for what it's worth. I keep my kayaks in the garage (on Talic Sport Hammocks) and my car in the driveway. -.- jwd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> "Roger Lumb" <lumb_at_email.wcu.edu> wrote: >> I have done quite a bit of time in a canoe and have been in >> recreational kayaks but I want to get into sea kayaking along the >> Atlantic coast...southeastern barrier islands and eventually Maine. I >> am 5' 7", 135 lb and have looked at alot of sea kayaks. <snips> A great kayak often overlooked is the Nimbus Telkwa Sport. I know some paddlers who have switched to them after years in the CD Solstice series, and just love the responsiveness and easy tracking without rudder/skeg. http://www.nimbuskayaks.com/frameset.html DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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