I have had several people ask me about the status of my stolen boat which I had managed to locate. So here's the story - the boat is gone. Apparently running the boat through a lost and found with the city or county is a legal way to launder stolen goods. Actually, it's my own fault. Simply being able to identify a stolen boat is apparently not good enough. You need to have some sort of positive ID, like numbers or names and address carved into it in order to positively identify it. Harold has been telling me this for years. Perhaps I should actually listen to him every now and then :-) At any rate, this should be a lesson to the rest of you. If your boat has numbers on it, write them down and keep them someplace safe. If your boat doesn't have numbers on it then it might be a good idea to put your name on it in such a way that it will be difficult to remove. I really don't know just how to do that at this time, but I will be giving it some serious consideration over the next couple of weeks or so. This incident has got me thinking about boat registration as well. I have always been against the registration of kayaks. However, if kayaks were required to have numbers on them, and the authorities actually sited those that did not, then that would sure make it a lot more difficult for someone to use a stolen boat. I don't know, I'll have to give this some thought as well. Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Simply being able > to identify a stolen boat is apparently not good enough. You need to have > some sort of positive ID, like numbers or names and address carved into it in > order to positively identify it. Harold has been telling me this for years. > Perhaps I should actually listen to him every now and then :-) > At any rate, this should be a lesson to the rest of you. If your boat has > numbers on it, write them down and keep them someplace safe. If your boat > doesn't have numbers on it then it might be a good idea to put your name on > it in such a way that it will be difficult to remove. I really don't know > just how to do that at this time If it's plastic or composite, why not try branding this horse with pre-heated brand somehere inside? And if it's composite, then embossing on metal (or again heat-branding of plastic parts) could be an option. Just thinking... Perhaps inside branding of the folder skin makes more sense than branding frame members - skin costs more than half of the thing. Alex. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/24/2003 9:50:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, al.m_at_3web.net writes: > Perhaps inside branding of the folder skin makes more sense than > branding frame members - skin costs more than half of the thing. > Commercially manufactured skins already have HIN numbers in them. Tony *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Perhaps inside branding of the folder skin makes more sense than > > branding frame members - skin costs more than half of the thing. > > > > Commercially manufactured skins already have HIN numbers in them. > > Tony > My F-craft has a small number plate glued on the outside near stern. It's the same number as on the purchase receipt. I didn't try removing it, but looks like it's possible. Is there any other place where I could find a number? Alex. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Scott wrote: <SNIP>>>>>This incident has got me thinking about boat registration as well. I have always been against the registration of kayaks. However, if kayaks were required to have numbers on them, and the authorities actually sited those that did not, then that would sure make it a lot more difficult for someone to use a stolen boat. I don't know, I'll have to give this some thought as well.<<<<<<< The Coast Guard number is required and the fine to a manufacturer is, I believe, $50 per boat not numbered. State registration might have some minor benefits in recovering stolen kayaks but the fees, numbering cost (for 2 inch high numbers) and the tax collections that kayak registration would allow would mean that every kayak owner in that state would have their money stolen a little at a time every year and just as importantly have to deal with another onerous bureaucratic detail making their life less free in order to comply with the law. In Washington, now one must pay to park within a quarter of a mile of a trailhead. This might seem logical as a user fee but the last time I wanted to take a very short hike to a hanging bridge I knew about (on the way to going somewhere else) we drove to the nearest ranger station a few miles beyond only to find out that that station didn't offer the permit we needed to park for an hour or less and the next nearest ranger station that did was 20 miles away. Laws like that sure take the fun out of spontaneity don't they. Don't encourage the bastards. They aren't looking to help you. They are thinking "revenue source" and are happy to take away your time, your gas money and your freedom (and your pleasure in that freedom) for a few bucks of revenue. I don't see the self appointed "governing" body of paddling, the ACA, much differently. I won't help them gain more power or help guide their hand into my wallet. Here is the kind of people governments and volunteer governments often attract. "(name withheld--kayak store) wouldn't dare not let you drop off my friend's kayak there if I ask them, I'm their ACA certifier." Maybe not an exact quote, but the meaning was clear. She held the reigns of power and knew how to use them for her own and her friends' benefit. I couldn't agree more with the advice from Scott and others regarding recording serial numbers and making your kayak positively identifiable. New or used, make sure the Coast Guard number is written on the receipt or bill of sale of any kayak you buy or sell and save that paperwork. Lots more precautions to take can be found on the "stolen kayaks" page of our website under "How to Avoid Buying a "Hot" Kayak & How to Safeguard Your Kayak" Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> If your boat > doesn't have numbers on it then it might be a good idea to put your name > on > it in such a way that it will be difficult to remove. I really don't know > just how to do that at this time, but I will be giving it some serious > consideration over the next couple of weeks or so. One method that comes to mind (particularly for strip or S&G boats, but could be done for any glass boat I suppose) would be to use the building method of printing names and so forth on material such as rice paper, and applying it under the glass. True - that can be sanded out and reglassed. But, if you did it to the underside of the deck, inside a hatch, where it isn't visible, a thief probably would never know it was there. If you needed to prove that it was your boat, simply place a mirror into the hatch opening in such a way that the name and ownership info is visible for all to see. I've never done the above, but it sounds like a viable option to me. Rick - Poquoson, VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday 25 April 2003 03:07, KiAyker_at_aol.com wrote: > I have had several people ask me about the status of my stolen boat > which I had managed to locate. So here's the story - the boat is gone. > Apparently running the boat through a lost and found with the city or > county is a legal way to launder stolen goods. Actually, it's my own > fault. Simply being able to identify a stolen boat is apparently not > good enough. You need to have some sort of positive ID, like numbers or > names and address carved into it in order to positively identify it. > Harold has been telling me this for years. Perhaps I should actually > listen to him every now and then :-) > At any rate, this should be a lesson to the rest of you. If your boat > has numbers on it, write them down and keep them someplace safe. If your > boat doesn't have numbers on it then it might be a good idea to put your > name on it in such a way that it will be difficult to remove. I really > don't know just how to do that at this time, but I will be giving it > some serious consideration over the next couple of weeks or so. > This incident has got me thinking about boat registration as well. I > have always been against the registration of kayaks. However, if kayaks > were required to have numbers on them, and the authorities actually > sited those that did not, then that would sure make it a lot more > difficult for someone to use a stolen boat. I don't know, I'll have to > give this some thought as well. > > Scott > So.Cal. Something to ponder, I may do it here and have queried a supplier. Canoes I do build a few of. Numbers can be changed ect The "chips" for pets, Im sure you have heard of them. They can be glassed into a boat... You can put what ever info on the chip you want.... Im considering doing it here on new boats. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:18:40AM +0100, Windwalker wrote: > You can put what ever info on the chip you want.... > Im considering doing it here on new boats. I've done various different things: one boat has my info on the underside of the seat. Another has it in a sealed 35mm file canister that's been inserted into the ethafoam wall way up front. One that I no longer have had it on the far side of a footbrace. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Friday, April 25, 2003, at 09:50 AM, <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> wrote: > > One method that comes to mind (particularly for strip or S&G boats, but > could be done for any glass boat I suppose) would be to use the > building > method of printing names and so forth on material such as rice paper, > and applying it under the glass. For a wood boat just use a pencil and write directly on the wood. This requires sanding away some of the wood to erase. Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 USA Ph/Fx: (860) 659-8847 http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> For a wood boat just use a pencil and write directly on the wood. This > requires sanding away some of the wood to erase. Ahhh, yeah.... that's what I meant. Do it the easy way. I guess that's why Nick writes boat building books, and I just read them. :-) Speaking of which, I'm scheduled to glass the hull this weekend!!!! Have good thoughts for me - it's my first glassing experience and I'm a bit nervous. Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I did exactly that with my stripper. Printed the relevant information in > reverse on clear acetate (for overheads) in my laser printer, then glassed > it under the front deck. Rice paper would be thinner and would cover > easier > by the epoxy, but for under the deck I thought acetate would be fine. As > you > say, you can read it with a mirror. Ken, it's great to hear that it works out fine. I'm in the process of building an Outer Island designed by Jay Babina, and I think I'll do it myself. It's not too late.... I'm just to the point of glassing the outer hull this weekend. Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I did exactly that with my stripper. Printed the relevant information in > reverse on clear acetate (for overheads) in my laser printer, then glassed > it under the front deck. Rice paper would be thinner and would cover easier > by the epoxy, but for under the deck I thought acetate would be fine. I do something similar with clear labels on an inkjet. Put my name & phone# on them, then seal onto paddles, other gear, underside of thwarts in a canoe, etc. with either epoxy or a nylon-based clear nail polish. JP *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting KiAyker_at_aol.com: > Actually, it's my own fault. Simply being able > to identify a stolen boat is apparently not good enough. You need to have > some sort of positive ID, like numbers or names and address carved into it This is one of the few advantages of kayak registration. I carry a card with me that not only proves I own the boat and have paid the registration fees, but also has the model name and serial number, which is engraved into the hull. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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