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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:25:20 -0800
            Last Thursday I had lunch with an elderly member of my
congregation. Millie is in her 90's, still  lives alone and is able to get
around quite well. When I asked her how she first came to Alaska she simply
smiled and said "we canoed".

            The story is that in 1939 she and her husband married at her
family cabin on an island in the Seattle area. They then loaded their cedar
strip 17 foot 34 inch beam canoe and headed north. The canoe was made by the
Wilson brothers who according to Millie was the best canoe of the day.

            The trip took four months "it was about the adventure not the
calendar " Millie said. They would paddle for a couple weeks then befriend
someone at a light house or remote cabin offering to house sit or baby sit
while the family went into town for supplies.

            I asked about the big open waters like Queen Charlotte Sound. She
simply smiled and said they waited a day or so there till the weather was
right. They had trouble in one spot and took on a lot of water but survived.

            I asked her what was the most difficult part of the trip and her
answer was "finding accurate Canadian charts"

            I asked if she had ever thought about writing a story about her
trip but she is content to just share it with friends.

            If you think about it was a remarkable journey, from Seattle to
Ketchikan by open canoe. Even with today's high tech equipment, Kevlar, gore
tex dry suits, carbon fiber paddles ect. I doubt many of us would be will to
under such an adventure in an open boat. Listening to her story I felt quite
humbled.



Bob
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From: Joan <JSPINNER_at_peoplepc.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:24:59 -0400
Great story. I'd love to meet her.
One of those cases when ignorance is bliss. I look at what I did that
"couldn't be done" as a new teacher and believe when beginners tell me what
they have accomplished just because they didn't know better :>

<< If you think about it was a remarkable journey, from Seattle to
Ketchikan by open canoe. Even with today's high tech equipment, Kevlar, gore
tex dry suits, carbon fiber paddles ect. I doubt many of us would be will to
under such an adventure in an open boat. Listening to her story I felt quite
humbled.>>
Joan
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From: <Niilus_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:56:57 EDT
In a message dated 7/24/2004 11:29:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
revkayak_at_aptalaska.net writes:


> If you think about it was a remarkable journey, from Seattle to
> Ketchikan by open canoe. Even with today's high tech equipment, Kevlar, gore
> tex dry suits, carbon fiber paddles ect. I doubt many of us would be will to
> under such an adventure in an open boat. Listening to her story I felt quite
> humbled.
> 

They don't make em like they used to.

Tony Niilus
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:08:13 -0700
> In a message dated 7/24/2004 11:29:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> revkayak_at_aptalaska.net writes:
>
>
> > If you think about it was a remarkable journey, from Seattle to
> > Ketchikan by open canoe.

I've got a gut feeling that responses from the respectable audience are
masking genuine reaction, :-), which, probably, such jorney deserves -
feeling of being humbled.  So, in the spirit of that - of course, ignorance
is a bliss; (though, I suspect, at least one of them had some knowledge and
experience). And there was something else that made such trip possible -
loose schedule.  They followed coastline, crossing inlets only when they had
no other choice and when water was right.  With a sufficient dose of
precaution the only inevitable obstacle could be currents in some places,
and sudden fog (and prevailing northwest winds on this nortbound route).
Enough to get in trouble.  They also had a pretty heavy boat with food,
water, camping stuff etc.  I wonder, how many women would keep from trying
to bail out from such a trip over all these 4 months :-)...
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From: Joan <JSPINNER_at_peoplepc.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:51:42 -0400
<<I've got a gut feeling that responses from the respectable audience are
masking genuine reaction, :-), which, probably, such jorney deserves -
feeling of being humbled.  So, in the spirit of that - of course, ignorance
is a bliss; (though, I suspect, at least one of them had some knowledge and
experience). >>

    Actually, what I was thinking was a young woman who marries a man she whom
she trusts has the knowledge to get them to their goal. Her faith in his
abilities makes the adventure memorable rather than a nightmare of fear of
what might happen. She may know about bears and maybe about waves and wind but
not hypothermia and running out of food and water. It is kind idyllic to think
about a very young woman, who has married and is now being taken to some new
world by this husband. It sounds like she recalls this trip fondly so it must
have been more than just going from point A to point B. I imagine it to be a
trip that was thought out with the idea of providing interludes for those they
would seek out, which would also give them time on firm ground, to bathe,
walk, be together and be newly wed.
    They didn't have to "worry" about things that us modern folk take for
granted we need to worry about. Clean water? Bear canisters? Why would bears
think people had food? Hypo-what? Take a bit of dry wood but we can take what
wood we need when we get there. Tents leak, of course, leaves and pine needles
for a mattress.  Lost? (where IS that GPS)
    To me, this is not my idea of heaven in 2004 but it may well have been
back when they made their trip. Knowledge makes priorities for most people.
There may be some overarching priority like safety but the details are in what
we know and expect. I wonder what she expected the day she set her foot in
that boat, I like the ideas I have.

Joan
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:05:17 -0700
They were not alone in completing such a journey in a small open canoe.

Betty Lowman Carey did a similar trip, alone, in a small dugout, back in
1937.  She has a narrative of her adventure coming out in September,
Bijaboji:  http://www.harbourpublishing.com/index.php?s=book&id=516

Betty (then Lowman; later Carey) and husband Neil have been fixtures in the
Queen Charlottes since emigrating to Canada back in the 1960's ... and still
live in Sandspit in a home festooned with the gleanings of 40 years of
mucking about the coastlines of the Charlottes.  Neil is an author, also,
having written a guide to the Islands, and a fascinating narrative of their
time in Puffin Cove, on the exposed coast of Moresby Island (now within Haida
Gwaii).

Betty's dugout is on display in the airport terminal at Sandspit, Moresby
Island.  It is tiny, a testament to one woman's resolve and cunning.

The Carey's are genuine characters, with some charming idiosyncrasies ... and
one monomaniacal trait.  If you are ever in Sandspit, you've got to see their
collection of flotsam and jetsam.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR

----- Original Message ----- 
> > In a message dated 7/24/2004 11:29:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > revkayak_at_aptalaska.net writes:
> >
> > > If you think about it, it was a remarkable journey, from Seattle to
> > > Ketchikan by open canoe.
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:10:55 -0400
At 11:05 PM 7/24/2004 -0700, Dave Kruger wrote:
>They were not alone in completing such a journey in a small open canoe.
>
>Betty Lowman Carey did a similar trip, alone, in a small dugout, back in
>1937.  She has a narrative of her adventure coming out in September,
>Bijaboji:  http://www.harbourpublishing.com/index.php?s=book&id=516

Equally impressive are Audrey Sutherlands trips along the coast of the 
Alaska.  While it's not in a open canoe, she paddles a 13' inflatable with 
a velcro'd on spray deck.  She also does all her trips solo and she's 80 
years old.
http://www.sit-on-topkayaking.com/Articles/Interviews/Audrey.html
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fun in a tandem
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:59:20 -0400
I was down yesterday helping out at my friends kayak shop while he was out 
of town.  It was a busy day but a friend of mine and I got to get out for a 
bit for some fun in a tandem kayak.  I had brought my digital video 
recorder down and another friends shot some video.  Take a look:

http://mayfly.mannlib.cornell.edu/paddle/tandem/roll.html
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fun in a tandem
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:10:12 -0400
On 26 Jul 2004 at 13:59, John Fereira wrote:

> I had brought my
> digital video recorder down and another friends shot some video.  Take
> a look:

I guess that's a C 2 C roll. :-)

Good coordination.  I should keep that one to show at my pool 
sessions.

Mike
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:21:05 -0700
> she trusts has the knowledge to get them to their goal. Her faith in his
> abilities makes the adventure memorable rather than a nightmare of fear of
> what might happen. She may know about bears and maybe about waves and wind
but
> not hypothermia and running out of food and water.

Yes, very possible scenario.

>     They didn't have to "worry" about things that us modern folk take for
> granted we need to worry about. Clean water? Bear canisters? Why would
bears
> think people had food? Hypo-what? Take a bit of dry wood but we can take
what
> wood we need when we get there.

Oh, yes... and *a lot* of landing sites.  No provicnical parks with
"day-picnic only" area, no salmon farms in cosy coves, no private houses in
the best  waterfront areas.  I haven't been too far north, it might still be
a lot of wilderness there, although not in the same condition after decades
of logging activity.  And now they are trying to launch offshore drilling in
Queen Charlotte sound...
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From: Mick Thompson <badnellan_at_madasafish.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] humbled
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:20:29 +0100
> Equally impressive are Audrey Sutherlands trips along the coast of the
> Alaska.  While it's not in a open canoe, she paddles a 13' inflatable with
> a velcro'd on spray deck.  She also does all her trips solo and she's 80
> years old.
> http://www.sit-on-topkayaking.com/Articles/Interviews/Audrey.html

><><><><><><><>


See also  >>  http://www.cbc.ca/roundup/interviews/audio2003summer.html
21st July 2003

I see the interview is still available and well worth listening to.

MickT (Scotland)
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From: Leonhardt, William J <wjleonhardt_at_bnl.gov>
subject: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:04:39 -0400
Dear Paddlewisers,

My wife and I were in a paddling store last Sunday and we causually
looked at a new paddle for her.  My eye was caught by a Werner Camano.
I have seen this paddle before, however this one had the new (at least I
think it's new) Adjustable Ferrule System.  See:

http://www.wernerpaddles.com/features.html
<http://www.wernerpaddles.com/features.html> 

Does anyone have any experience (or comments pro or con) with this
system?

Bill Leonhardt
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From: Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe <aldercreek_at_qwest.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:52:35 -0700
I like it, alot.  see Werner catalog page 10.  :-)

The adjustable angles are good for figuring out what you like and it's a EZ
click to get 'em together or apart.  sometimes a little too EZ is my only
complaint.  I move my hands around alot (from a GP user's point of view) and
on occasion I have deployed the button accidentally.  doh!

If you get a chance, try the Shuna.  It has a more balanced feel, less curve
and dihedral.  just a thought.

steve
Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe    N   45: 36.285'
250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr.     W 122: 39.841'
Portland, OR  97217          Web: www.aldercreek.com
Phone: 503.285.0464        Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net
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From: Duane Strosaker <strosaker_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
Bill and All,
 
I've been using a Werner Shuna with the adjustable ferrule system for a few months now for crossings, rockgardens, surf and a seven-day trip. I was a bit skeptical about the adjustable ferrule, but I haven't had any problems. With teeth in the system, it seems it would need to be kept clean, but I haven't had a problem with sand jamming it. The adjustability is a nice idea, but I use the standard 60 degree angle anyway, so I haven't benefited from it. Note that the adjustability is only in 15 degree increments, which does not allow for a lot of fine tuning. The adjustable ferrule system is working fine for me, but I'd still prefer the simplicity of Werner's old ferrule system if I could get it in the Shuna model.
 
Duane
Southern California
www.rollordrown.com

"Leonhardt, William J" <wjleonhardt_at_bnl.gov> wrote:
Dear Paddlewisers,

My wife and I were in a paddling store last Sunday and we causually
looked at a new paddle for her. My eye was caught by a Werner Camano.
I have seen this paddle before, however this one had the new (at least I
think it's new) Adjustable Ferrule System. See:

http://www.wernerpaddles.com/features.html


Does anyone have any experience (or comments pro or con) with this
system?

Bill Leonhardt
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From: Alf <alcheung_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: 27 Jul 2004 22:14:09 -0400
I also have the Shuna (215cm) and love it (more than my GP).  It's great
for the days you just want to paddle at a fast pace.

I like the adjustable ferrule system.  However, sometimes I play around
with it too much during a given day's paddle.  Doing that has caused me
to mis-time/place blade entry and get some fluttering.  Takes a few
minutes to adjust, then you're off again.

Alf.

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From: Leonhardt, William J <wjleonhardt_at_bnl.gov>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:06:15 -0400
Dear Steve,Emile,Duane, Ernest, Alf and Bob & Joan,

Thanks for all your input.  Having this feedback is one of the really great 
features of this list.

All the comments I received were positive and so we will very seriously 
consider the new Werner shaft design.  We will also consider blade shapes 
other than the Camano and the smaller shaft diameter.

Happy paddlin'

Bill Leonhardt
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From: <SNStone_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Werner Adjustable Ferrule System
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 06:10:51 EDT
I have been using a Werner Molaki with the adjustable ferrule for over a  
year. The new system eliminates the problem with the old ferrule system of the  
ferrule joint becoming loose and introducing a wiggle into the blade shaft. The 
 adjustable offset supports both right and left hand paddlers.
 
You do need to keep the joint clean - particularly of sand. I have  
encountered some difficulty getting the shafts apart - requiring help from  someone 
else to pull, but this cleared up with a good flushing of the  joint.
 
The Shuna is an excellent new blade shape. The new foam core Ikelos is  worth 
checking out - it is sweet,
 
happy paddling
sid
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