BC provincial parks have a sandy, gravelly pad, well compacted. It is either too hard to put pegs into, or else too loose once a peg has been planted. Plastic pegs break when hammered in, and metal ones either bend or else pull out once installed. The best I have found is to use wood. Split firewood into kindling size chunks, 3/4" or so. They seem to have enough strength to penetrate the hard gravel, and enough area to hold even once the gravel is loosened. And you don't care if one breaks. They go into the edges of the pad better than the centre, where the RV's have compacted the gravel the most. You don't have that problem, but others might. Rob. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> BC provincial parks have a sandy, gravelly pad, well compacted. It is > either too hard to put pegs into, or else too loose once a peg has been > planted. Plastic pegs break when hammered in, and metal ones either bend > or else pull out once installed. My situation is "too loose". These pads are not compacted at all. It's very, very loose gravel. In fact, "gravel" may not be the right word. Perhaps I should use the word "rocks". If you could form them into cubes, we'd be talking about rocks between 1/2" to 1" cubed, with no smaller "fillers" between them. Anything thin could be pulled out with just the strength of your pinky finger.... there's nothing to grab onto the stake/spike, unless I can get down to the bottom and then grab the ground beneath it. I've been down a foot and didn't hit bottom. BTW - I'm sure glad I've been using a Thermarest! That stuff is terribly uncomfortable to sit, kneel or lay on! Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
(This an extreme solution.) Take some quick ready mix mortar with you and "set" each peg in a little of the wet mix, amongst the rocks. Wait an hour or so and then the peg should be solid. These mortars come with different set rates -- get a quick one. Oh, yeah, grease the tent pegs beforehand ... or they will be there forever. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com> > My situation is "too loose". These pads are not compacted at all. It's > very, very loose gravel. In fact, "gravel" may not be the right word. > Perhaps I should use the word "rocks". If you could form them into > cubes, we'd be talking about rocks between 1/2" to 1" cubed, with no > smaller "fillers" between them. Anything thin could be pulled out with > just the strength of your pinky finger.... there's nothing to grab onto > the stake/spike, unless I can get down to the bottom and then grab the > ground beneath it. I've been down a foot and didn't hit bottom. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > (This an extreme solution.) > > Take some quick ready mix mortar with you and "set" each peg in a little of > the wet mix, amongst the rocks. Wait an hour or so and then the peg should > be solid. > > These mortars come with different set rates -- get a quick one. > > Oh, yeah, grease the tent pegs beforehand ... or they will be there forever. Well, Dave, that sounds good in the abstract, but maybe not in the..... you know. ;) -- Steve (Leave no straight line behind) Cramer Athens, GA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Campmor sells dead men that are nylon squares with two loops. Perfect for gravel, rocks, sand and snow. I've used them in all four conditions and been very satisfied. Even use them for my Parawing tarp on windy days, so I know they hold well. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:45 AM 8/17/2004 -0400, Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com wrote: > > BC provincial parks have a sandy, gravelly pad, well compacted. It is > > either too hard to put pegs into, or else too loose once a peg has >been > > planted. Plastic pegs break when hammered in, and metal ones either >bend > > or else pull out once installed. > >My situation is "too loose". These pads are not compacted at all. It's >very, very loose gravel. In fact, "gravel" may not be the right word. >Perhaps I should use the word "rocks". If you could form them into >cubes, we'd be talking about rocks between 1/2" to 1" cubed, with no >smaller "fillers" between them. Anything thin could be pulled out with >just the strength of your pinky finger.... there's nothing to grab onto >the stake/spike, unless I can get down to the bottom and then grab the >ground beneath it. I've been down a foot and didn't hit bottom. > >BTW - I'm sure glad I've been using a Thermarest! That stuff is >terribly uncomfortable to sit, kneel or lay on! If you've got some old 1/4" plywood lying around you could cut four 12"x12" squares, drill a hole in the center, and thread a couple of feet rope through it, tie a knot in it so that it doesn't come back through the hole and make a loop on the other end. Then dig a hole in the "gravel", put the plywood in, and cover it with the gravel (leaving the looped end of the rope exposed). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
1) Tie the end of your rope to the middle of your tent peg. 2) Dig 6 inch deep hole for tent peg. 3) Lay tent peg on its side at 90 degrees to the pull on the rope. 4) Bury tent peg. Been there, done that. In sand it works better with sticks. Dana > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tent Pegs for Gravel > > (This an extreme solution.) > > Take some quick ready mix mortar with you and "set" each peg > in a little of > the wet mix, amongst the rocks. Wait an hour or so and then > the peg should > be solid. > > These mortars come with different set rates -- get a quick one. > > Oh, yeah, grease the tent pegs beforehand ... or they will be > there forever. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
For really loose gravel a snowanchor is the best bet, as used in snow! You can buy ready-made but aluminium or steel angles work OK, say 2-3" wide and a foot, or so, long. Sharpen one end and make two holes halfway up the thing and attach a short wire loop through the holes! Now you either attach a carabiner, or tie the tent lines directly, to the wire loops! The wire prevents chafing, by the way! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
catching up with old mail. i was given some of those "drill a hole in a piece of wood" "stakes" but recently found (and purchased) Snow and San Tent Anchors made by Mountain Hardwear mountainhardwear.com I think it was in the region of $10... for a pack of 4 they work on the same principle as the wood anchors but are extremely lightweight as they are made out of packcloth with loop webbing. You bury the square of fabric, leaving the web loops out and attach these to the corner of your tent. the sketch shows the effect of an upside down parachute, which is what happens when the wind lifts. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I am wondering whether the new Garmin Forerunner 201 wrist GPS would be good for kayaking/boat use. Has anyone tried it yet or have a thought on it? Ron Kilgore *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Kilgore" <ronkil_at_aol.com> > I am wondering whether the new Garmin Forerunner 201 wrist GPS would > be good for kayaking/boat use. Has anyone tried it yet or have a thought > on it? > > Ron Kilgore Take a peek http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/forerunner201.htm Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > I am wondering whether the new Garmin Forerunner 201 wrist GPS would > > be good for kayaking/boat use. Has anyone tried it yet or have a thought > > on it? I'm always looking for anythng smaller and lighter, but this is way too small - display is just 1"*1.5". Still, it's bulky enough on the wrist to catch some webbing or anything else, or to hit it with a paddle or against the deck. With my kayaking sailing toys there will be plenty of opportunities to catch something. Battery is apparently proprietary, not of the kind that can be bought at gas station. Nearly all if not all previous Garmins had germeticity problems and needed drybags or Aquapack bags (no gurantee that it would survive on its own), no such data so far on this one (runners and hikers won't provide such an input). To use it same way as people use basic Etrex, i.e. handheld unit, but smaller - may be; then, Etrex isn't too big for a handheld unit, has larger display and user-friendly AA batteries. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I just noticed that Garmin has a new model, the 101, which runs on AAA batteries. Bruce Flagstaff, AZ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Have any of you had any experience using a GPS with Bluetooth? They are just starting to come on the market. I really like Bluetooth because it's one less cable to connect (and on a GPS, one less port to leak). Al Vazquez KayakGuide.com - Places to Paddle - *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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