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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:02:34 -0800
Anne posted (snip):
>Anyone had rotator cuff impingement syndrome and/or scapular problems?<

Oh yeah! Your not a real paddler if you haven't experienced shoulder pain. 
Of course, really bad shoulder pain either means you are a really good, 
intense paddler (carrying my above logic forward) or, you are doing 
something terribly wrong. It can also mean you weren't gifted by nature for 
the level of activity causing the pain/problem.

My experience with rotator cuff started the first year paddling, and man, 
was it depressing -- to find an activity you really enjoy, and have to 
suffer so much. I did the ice thing, and the physical therapy, along with 
the exercises Jolie laid out. I also kept up weight lifting, concentrating 
on routines that built up general shoulder strength - avoiding heavy or 
repetitive lifting where the arms went above neck level. Lifting one's kayak 
on a vehicle can do damage too.

Ice is really all that brings me relief. On a long trip, there's been times 
I'd have killed for ice. After about a year of ice the first year of trouble 
(using the frozen Dixie-cup/rubbing around shoulder routine) I got to the 
point where after a long storm paddle, I'd melt half a cup in 5 or 6 
minutes. I always ice after a paddle, even if there is no pain. 25 years 
later, I can rub ice directly on either shoulder for 30 minutes without 
flinching. I don't think this length of exposure is recommended, but there 
are days when I even go 45 minutes. As I've been doing this for over two 
decades with no skin damage, it seems to work for me.

>Wondering what experience anyone else has had? Specific exercises? 
>Successful (or not) outcomes with PT?  Timeline?<

The only elasticband exercise that helped me was the one where you sit on a 
chair with the rubber-rope (etc) tied to a door knob to either side of you 
(depending on which shoulder you are working on). You keep your elbow tucked 
into your side, sitting straight up, then keeping your shoulder immobile 
with your elbow as a pivot, pull the resistance of the elastic away from the 
door, bringing your fist over to the other elbow. When rotating back, don't 
let your forearm go further than perpendicular. In other words, a 45 degree 
arc.

I underwent 5 years of physio (socialized medicine in Canada helped), to try 
and maintain a every-other day paddling schedule. I eventually had Cortisone 
shots, which were painful to have injected, but brought relief. One 
memorable weekend, after a Friday shot to the right shoulder, I was out 
storm paddling the next day, totally pain free, in my glory, until about 
half an hour into the 45 knot winds when my shoulder suddenly froze up. No 
pain, but no movement. Guess that's why they call it impingement. I'm glad I 
was a good swimmer. It hurt later, and did so for months, with no paddling 
possible. I underwent 3 shots each in total, in each shoulder, but the long 
term consequences of repeated shoulder injections isn't good in my opinion, 
as damage from the injectible agent takes its toll on cartilage and the 
bursa, etc. Of course, as a female paddler, I'm sure you will display more 
common sense with your body than I did and know when to back off.

I had one acromioplasty on the right shoulder (I wanted both done at the 
same time, but no way would the orthopod go for that. It didn't help for 
very long, so over the course of my 10th year paddling, I had two open 
shoulder surgeries, a few months apart, followed by physio. While the pain 
quickly returned (I continued to storm paddle, winter surf paddle, etc.), it 
would subside with rest, enough that I can still paddle, but not long 
distance. I suffer more in the summer than the winter. I can't swim using 
the forward stroke (I have to side-stroke, etc). I not throw ball, nor do I 
play tennis anymore. Church ball games are a killer.

For a first-time impingers, I'd say 3 to 9 months of ice, therapy, and 
physio to normalize again. Part of the trouble is after impingement takes 
route, even fairly benign activity like pulling the Cherrios out of the 
cupboard creates a vicious circle that's hard to circumvent, as normal 
duties tend to keep impingement active.

I know John Dowd suffers shoulder problems, and for a while was promoting 
the Greenland paddles. I'd recommend looking at a smaller, soft dihedral 
blade design. I picked up one from Aquabound one year a while back, for a 
trip around half of Vancouver Island, and it saw me through with less pain 
that normal. I'm used to a big-bladed, Lendal Nordkapp paddle that was used 
for most of my big-weather paddling, which probably contributed to some of 
my problems early on.

Joan mentioned sleep position. Be careful here too. I spent this past 
Christmas day with a very, very painful shoulder, unable to move it the 
whole day, after falling asleep with my arm above my head for a few hours. 
It took a whole day of ice and vitamin "I" just to stop wincing.

Here's a couple of links to some on-line articles:

http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/mag/21/shoulder.htm

http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/mag/31/shoulderpain.html

>Followup exercises or activities to insure being able to paddle?<

Don't get discouraged. Keep at it, good days will come. If you are serious 
about overcoming the hopefully temporary disability, it may take some effort 
and expenditure. I was told point black in 1981 to give up paddling Yeah 
right, like stop breathing?

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:19:22 -0800
Doug Lloyd said:
> I know John Dowd suffers shoulder problems, and for a while 
> was promoting the Greenland paddles. I'd recommend looking at 
> a smaller, soft dihedral blade design. I picked up one from 
> Aquabound one year a while back, for a trip around half of 
> Vancouver Island, and it saw me through with less pain that 
> normal. I'm used to a big-bladed, Lendal Nordkapp paddle that 
> was used for most of my big-weather paddling, which probably 
> contributed to some of my problems early on.

I paddle with a bunch of really good paddlers who because most of us are
well over 50 are referred to as the "Old Fart Follies". About 1/2 of us have
found that we have less aches and pains in general and in the shoulders as a
result of switching to Greenland paddles. The others are still refusing to
accept their bodies aren't 30 anymore and are still using some big bladed
aggressive paddles.

If you haven't tried a stick yet, give it a go. It really made a difference
for me. Be prepared for a new learning curve though. There were plenty of
swims as I learned that your paddle is supposed to dive when you plant it
for the catch.

Steve Holtzman
Southern Calif.
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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:53:13 -0800
Yeah, I know - one of these days I'll be paddling with a hunk of 2X4 - 
elegantly carved down, of course, unless they come up with bursa 
replacements- Heck, they replace hips, why not rotator-cuffs? Or, maybe I 
could get grease nipple fittings or just tap-and-drill a hole for a WD-40 
nozzle. You'd think Sea Kayaker Magazine would fund some research on this 
matter rather than pay guys like Duane to rub it in and write about 
California's endless summers! :-) (Good job Duane).

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC

> If you haven't tried a stick yet, give it a go. It really made a 
> difference
> for me. Be prepared for a new learning curve though. There were plenty of
> swims as I learned that your paddle is supposed to dive when you plant it
> for the catch.
>
> Steve Holtzman
> Southern Calif.
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:10:12 -0800
Doug Lloyd said:
>
> ..........rather than pay guys like Duane to rub it in and write about 
> California's endless summers! :-) (Good job Duane).

Doug,

Several of us (not Duane this time), were paddling about 50 miles NW of Los
Angeles on Sunday. Clear blue skys, sun warmed air of about 70 deg F, and
the only thing not perfect was water temperature of about 55 deg F. Also,
the water was still very murky from the rains, bacteria levels were high so
we didn't do any rolling until at least about 3 miles off shore.

Not quite as pretty as the pictures in Duane's article, but still a great
day on the water in some unbelievable January weather. After getting out of
my wet suit at the end of the day, it was back to shorts, t-shirt, and
Tevas.

Steve Holtzman
Southern Calif.
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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:47:55 -0800
I was thinking about paddling this weekend (been off the water 4 months with 
heart problems, now). I've got to get my van fixed first, as freak freezing 
rain the other day short-circuited something in the electrical system. The 
snow is melting though, so I should be able to get to the coast finally, 
though the solicitor-general of BC is warning motorists not to cross bridges 
without looking first, as the bridge might not be there. I'll see how I make 
out. I think there's some mildew problems in my boat, but I'll try to clean 
it out. I'll wear my shorts under my wetsuit under my poly-long-Johns, and 
my t-shirt rash-guard under my paddling fleece sweater, and I'll try to 
remember what wearing Tevas felt like! :-)

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC

snip
> Not quite as pretty as the pictures in Duane's article, but still a great
> day on the water in some unbelievable January weather. After getting out 
> of
> my wet suit at the end of the day, it was back to shorts, t-shirt, and
> Tevas.
>
> Steve Holtzman
> Southern Calif.
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From: The Housers <houser4_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:45:26 -0800
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Steve,

You are getting as bad as the Rose Parade for inviting new residents to
SoCal.  Hope to see you Sunday.

Dave H.


> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular 
>
> Several of us (not Duane this time), were paddling about 50 miles NW of
Los
> Angeles on Sunday. Clear blue skys, sun warmed air of about 70 deg F, and
> the only thing not perfect was water temperature of about 55 deg F. Also,
> the water was still very murky from the rains, bacteria levels were high
so
> we didn't do any rolling until at least about 3 miles off shore.
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:44:49 -0800
Dave H said:


> 
> You are getting as bad as the Rose Parade for inviting new 
> residents to SoCal.  Hope to see you Sunday.

Wait til they see today's temperatures. Forecasted high of 82 deg F. Sunday
is looking to be quite similar.

Steve
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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Rotator Cuff Impingement Syndrome; Scapular
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:12:03 -0800
Hi Steve,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 2:44:49 PM, you wrote:

>> You are getting as bad as the Rose Parade for inviting new
>> residents to SoCal. Hope to see you Sunday.

> Wait til they see today's temperatures. Forecasted high of 82 deg F.
> Sunday is looking to be quite similar.

Ha! I lived in So. Cal. for four years, and though I did enjoy much of
the beauty of the area, from the sea to the deserts to the mountains,
I got *terribly* bored with the mostly monotonous year 'round weather
down in the L.A. basin!

I like sun and warmth as much as the next person, but I also love the
rain, fog, wind, hail, snow, etc. In fact, I'd venture to say that as
far as the aesthetics of weather/landscape interaction goes, sunny
warm weather is about the least interesting to me.

It's foggy here at my little bit of coastal paradise, and there's that
lovely feather light mist that carries the smell of the sea falling
gently all around me. Though I'm very close to it, I can just barely
see a bit of surf through the fog and trees now and again, and the
sound of the surf is carried to my ears along that magical winding
path that only fog like this knows how to follow.

If I weren't doing a bit of boat maintenance today, I'd certainly be
out in it right now instead of typing at this silly machine; because
it is, as usual, an excruciatingly beautiful day here on the central
WA coast!  :-)

-- 
Melissa
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:27:57 -0800
Melissa,

Since you lived in So Cal for a while, then you know the easiest job in the
world is to be meteorologist here. The forecast for today is the same as
yesterday and the same as tomorrow's will be. <gr>

Actually, I consider where you live to be Kayak Mecca and am very jealous. I
have a 10 mile drive to the coast, so I don't get to hear the surf or the
waves.

Although we do have some interesting places to paddle, they don't compare to
Washington. Then we also have the problem of how to dress. Although the air
temps were in the low 80's, the water temp is in the low to mid 50's.

Beginners get tempted not to dress for immersion, because they get so hot.
It is a good reason to learn how to do rotary cooling. Wetsuits get very hot
in this weather and dry suits can be unbearable unless you plan to spend a
lot of time in the water.

Take care and enjoy where you're at, I'm jealous.

Steve
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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:48:41 -0800
Hi Steve,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 5:27:57 PM, you wrote:

> Actually, I consider where you live to be Kayak Mecca and am very
> jealous. I have a 10 mile drive to the coast, so I don't get to hear
> the surf or the waves.

It is lovely here, and I feel very fortunate to exist in such a place.
My personal "Kayak Mecca" seems to be even further north...the
southeast/southcentral coast of Alaska! Now *that* is this paddler's
idea of ultimate paradise! :-)

-- 
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From: Rafael Mier-Maza <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:52:24 -0600
Hi Melissa,

I would like to throw in another point of view. I really suffered from
the cold weather in Port Townsend when I took the IDW and ICE  ACA
workshops with Andree Hurley, in October 1998 and February 1999. I was
back in June 2000 expecting to see girls in bikini and everybody with
light clothes and I found everybody wearing the sweaters that we would
use here in our worst days.

Being in the tropics and paddling in places like Veracruz in the Gulf of
Mexico, where even in the winter time no wet suit is necessary, I would
not consider moving permanently to the Pucket Sound area.

On the other hand I acknowledge the great scenery and wildlife that you
find up there. Fauna is something we really envy. Being up there we
passed an island where a baby sea lion was just born, males were
watching and guarding and eagles were flying around.

I also remember when in Quebec City during carnival, some Mexicans were
participating in a snow sculptures contest and all of them but one got
sick from hypothermia while two Eskimos were polishing their sculptures
with bare hands and were really comfortable. Temperature was -10C.

I guess one gets used to a certain climate. 

Best Regards,

Rafael
Mexico
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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:17:54 -0900
> My personal "Kayak Mecca" seems to be even further north...the
> southeast/southcentral coast of Alaska! Now *that* is this paddler's
> idea of ultimate paradise! :-)
 Melissa


Agreed however this time of year in Alaska the  wind and a chilling 
combination of rain & snow will test one's desire to paddle.

Bob
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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:33:28 -0800
Hi Bob,

Thursday, January 20, 2005, 7:17:54 PM, you wrote:

>> My personal "Kayak Mecca" seems to be even further north...the
>> southeast/southcentral coast of Alaska! Now *that* is this
>> paddler's idea of ultimate paradise! :-)

> Agreed however this time of year in Alaska the wind and a chilling
> combination of rain & snow will test one's desire to paddle.

Well then, we'll just have to make do with one of your fine Alaskan
paddling stories I'm sure you have tucked away on your hard drive
somewhere, just sitting there waiting to be posted! :-)

C'mon Bob...it's time for our occasional "paddling in paradise" fix!

-- 
Melissa
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:40:50 -0500
At 07:33 PM 1/20/2005 -0800, Melissa Reese wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>
>Thursday, January 20, 2005, 7:17:54 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> My personal "Kayak Mecca" seems to be even further north...the
> >> southeast/southcentral coast of Alaska! Now *that* is this
> >> paddler's idea of ultimate paradise! :-)
>
> > Agreed however this time of year in Alaska the wind and a chilling
> > combination of rain & snow will test one's desire to paddle.

Not just Alaska.  According my weather portlet it's -3 right now here.


>Well then, we'll just have to make do with one of your fine Alaskan
>paddling stories I'm sure you have tucked away on your hard drive
>somewhere, just sitting there waiting to be posted! :-)
>
>C'mon Bob...it's time for our occasional "paddling in paradise" fix!

I hear it's real nice in Georgia at the end of April.
John Fereira
jaf30_at_cornell.edu
Ithaca, NY
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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:03:34 -0900
    Agreed however this time of year in Alaska the  wind and a chilling
    combination of rain & snow will test one's desire to paddle.

  Rev,

  You!!!?!!!

  Rob G

  it is like this:
  I can handle rain
  I like paddling in snow
  I can deal with wind
  but when you get all three at once ...well

  This time of year I tend to do short trips up creeks where the birds hide
out from the hard winds. Lately a lot of these creeks have been frozen up.
Also we have been having ice storms making it hard to get to some of the local
put-ins.
  Getting ready to go to Florida for a conference and a couple days paddling
on the Suwannee  River. Not quite Fredrick Sound, Ice Bergs and whales but
it's paddling.

  Bob
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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:39:50 -0500
Bob Carter wrote:

>  Getting ready to go to Florida for a conference and a couple days paddling
>on the Suwannee  River. Not quite Fredrick Sound, Ice Bergs and whales but
>it's paddling.
>  
>
It is -25 to -30 C here and so I wax lyrical...

For some obscure reason the Suwannee reminds me of the obscure eastern 
potentate, a prince, who was entertaining three distinguished visitors: 
a sultan, and swami, and a pasha.  They were each taking turns speaking 
from the dias, and in the front of the crowd there were three 
sharp-tongued hecklers who were each picking on one of the guests. 
 Finally one of them went too far.  The prince motionned for the chief 
of his secret police to come over and said: "Weigh down upon the swami 
ribber."

GaryJ
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:53:39 -0500
At 08:39 AM 1/21/2005 -0500, Gary J. MacDonald wrote:
>Bob Carter wrote:
>
>>  Getting ready to go to Florida for a conference and a couple days paddling
>>on the Suwannee  River. Not quite Fredrick Sound, Ice Bergs and whales but
>>it's paddling.
>>
>It is -25 to -30 C here and so I wax lyrical...

According to weather.com and weatherunderground.com it is now -17F 
here.  It's dropped 14 degrees in the past 1.5 hours.
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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:18:04 -0500
John Fereira wrote:

> At 08:39 AM 1/21/2005 -0500, Gary J. MacDonald wrote:
>
>> It is -25 to -30 C here and so I wax lyrical...
>
> According to weather.com and weatherunderground.com it is now -17F 
> here.  It's dropped 14 degrees in the past 1.5 hours.

Nice!
Just a few hours south of here!
(Ottawa)

GaryJ
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From: Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:43:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>

> According to weather.com and weatherunderground.com it is now -17F 
> here.  It's dropped 14 degrees in the past 1.5 hours.

I honestly don't think my body could function at that
temperature.

Someone would have to wake me in the spring.

jackie 
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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:41:19 -0900
 "Weigh down upon the swami
> ribber."
>
> GaryJ

have a feeling that joke is going to stay with me.

I am also going to try to get down to the Crystal river, rent a sit on top 
and snorkle with the manatees. I plan also to go down to St, Augustine and 
try out some surf kayaks at a dealership there. When I called for 
information the dealer said he would rent me a boat but this time of year 
not many people surf because of the cold. Then I told him I was from Alaska 
and he just said ..."oh."
As usual it has been a rainy winter here in Petersburg. Lately our 
temperatures have hovers at freezing or below. The sun does not rise until 
after 8am and will set before 4pm, so I am looking forward to the sun and at 
least a little more heat. Also I look forward to paddling lightly dressed 
rather than layer upon layer.

My only concern is the rental equipment. I have accepted that the fact that 
the dealer on the suwannee isn't going to have an ArlukIII in its fleet nor 
anything other than "plastic fantastics". I can live with that. It is the 
paddles that worry me. Having paddled for years with a wooden Sawyer Sea 
Feather I am spoiled for the feel of wood.  I have nightmares that the 
dealer is going to hand me a plastic square bladed club weighing as much as 
the boat. "Here" the dealer says "good and sturdy for all that dangerous 
flat water". I thought of  carrying my paddle with it me (I sure airport 
security would love that). I also thought of shiping it but figured my two 
piece would arrive in three or four or more pieces.
Anyway I will have fun I am sure. After all I will be paddling!

Bob 
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From: RICHARD CULPEPER <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:07:49 -0500
Monotonous?  Anything but.

Since the start of December, there could be a 20 degree change, up or down, on any given 
day.

A few weeks back it we had a flash freeze warning.  No one had ever heard of such a thing, 
so we knew we were in for something special.

Then last weekend it dropped down to 40 (where deg.C and deg.F intersect).

Today there is a heavy snow fall warning.

What can I say . . . this year the skiing is fantastic in Thunder Bay!


Richard Culpeper
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From: J Pivovar <kayak_at_headwinds.org>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:59:02 -0500
Bob Carter wrote:

> My only concern is the rental equipment. <snip> It is the paddles that 
> worry me. <snip>  I thought of  carrying my paddle with it me (I sure 
> airport security would love that). I also thought of shiping it but 
> figured my two piece would arrive in three or four or more pieces.

I take my 2-piece paddle with me when I travel via air.  You can't carry 
them on anymore (weapons that they are, you know) but you can 
successfully check them in some type of sport luggage.  I use a "board 
bag" that was designed for a snowboard.  A little big, but I cut 2 
pieces of foam to fit & cradle the paddle, put a rigid sheet of plastic  
so it won't try to bend, and stuff gear around it.  Has travelled 
cross-country, multiple leg flights, etc in fine shape.  It always ends 
up at the "oversized baggage" area so it gets special treatment with all 
the skis and golf clubs etc. 

Just a thought,

Jennifer
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:27:18 -0500
J Pivovar wrote:

> Bob Carter wrote:
> 
>> My only concern is the rental equipment. <snip> It is the paddles that 
>> worry me. <snip>  I thought of  carrying my paddle with it me (I sure 
>> airport security would love that). I also thought of shiping it but 
>> figured my two piece would arrive in three or four or more pieces.
> 
> I take my 2-piece paddle with me when I travel via air.  You can't carry 
> them on anymore (weapons that they are, you know) but you can 
> successfully check them in some type of sport luggage.  

I found a quite sturdy plastic gun case for $20 in the hook'n'bullet 
store. It just holds 2 220cm paddles, nicely encased in foam. I really 
need to put something on the outside that says "THIS IS NOT A WEAPON." 
Of course, it has to be checked.

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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:00:23 -0800
"Bob Carter" <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net> wrote:

> My only concern is the rental equipment.[snip]
> I thought of  carrying my paddle with it me (I sure airport security would 
> love that). I also thought of shiping it but figured my two piece would 
> arrive in three or four or more pieces.
> Anyway I will have fun I am sure. After all I will be paddling!

Rev, I boxed a pair of lightweight paddles in cardboard and shipped them from 
Oregon to Maine (and back) via UPS.  No problemo, and not very expensive.

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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:36:33 -0800
Hi Dave,

Friday, January 21, 2005, 11:00:23 AM, you wrote:

> Rev, I boxed a pair of lightweight paddles in cardboard and shipped
> them from Oregon to Maine (and back) via UPS. No problemo, and not
> very expensive.

Quite right. When I purchased my first few used Greenland Paddles
(from someone on this list), he packaged them up very nicely in a
triangular cardboard box with lots of packing popcorn (both the box
and the popcorn represented "Christmas in July" for my cat! :-)).

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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:55:43 -0900
I appreciate the advice but I have had too many packages show up here 
battered and beaten. I have got holes in my backpack to prove it! Also UPS 
is absurdly expensive out of Petersburg.

thanks again
Bob


> Hi Dave,
>
> Friday, January 21, 2005, 11:00:23 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Rev, I boxed a pair of lightweight paddles in cardboard and shipped
>> them from Oregon to Maine (and back) via UPS. No problemo, and not
>> very expensive.
>
> Quite right. When I purchased my first few used Greenland Paddles
> (from someone on this list), he packaged them up very nicely in a
> triangular cardboard box with lots of packing popcorn (both the box
> and the popcorn represented "Christmas in July" for my cat! :-)).
>
> -- 
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From: Gary J. MacDonald <garyj_at_rogers.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:28:17 -0500
Wacky in Ottawa this year too.  Lots of sharp freeze-thaw cycles. 
 Screwed up the X-C skiing.

Biggest swing I remember in a day:  a few years ago, in January, we went 
from +12 to -21 Celcius in about 17 hours!  Half the world doesn't see 
that much swing in a year.

GaryJ

RICHARD CULPEPER wrote:

> Monotonous?  Anything but.
>
> Since the start of December, there could be a 20 degree change, up or 
> down, on any given day.
>
> A few weeks back it we had a flash freeze warning.  No one had ever 
> heard of such a thing, so we knew we were in for something special.
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:02:02 -0500
On 21 Jan 2005 at 15:28, Gary J. MacDonald wrote:

> Biggest swing I remember in a day:  a few years ago, in January, we
> went from +12 to -21 Celcius in about 17 hours!  Half the world
> doesn't see that much swing in a year.

Driving from Temagami to Timmins a few years ago: +3C to -30C in 
about four hours.  In a blizzard, no less.

Record temps in the Queen Charlotte Islands according to Neil 
Whatzizname's guidebook:  +29C in summer and -19C in winter.  Crikey, 
that's positively tropical for Canada :-)

An interview with an Environment Canada meteorologist this week: he 
pointed out that the temps this year in central Canada are normal, 
but the swings are extreme - changes that usually take several days 
to a week are happening overnight.  Last week it was +18C on Thursday 
here and -12C two days later.  

Fed up with monotonous weather - move here!

Mike
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:46 -0800
> I found a quite sturdy plastic gun case for $20 in the hook'n'bullet
> store. It just holds 2 220cm paddles, nicely encased in foam. I really
> need to put something on the outside that says "THIS IS NOT A WEAPON."
> Of course, it has to be checked.

I have just wanted to write the same: stopped by the Walmart, looking for
Shoe-Goo (they don't have it any longer, for about a month).  In the next
aisle I've spotted those gun cases - starting from $19 (CDN), must be $15 in
the USA.  Looks like 4 ft long, but I didn't measure. It has some semi-soft
foam in walls, and a sheet of hard plastic can be added, if needed.  Also, a
4-piece paddle has some chances to be allowed in carry-on bag - pieces are
too short to be used as a weapon.  Last year they did allow.
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From: Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:32:25 -0900
Thanks,
I used to live in West Virginia and we wotld go to florida for paddling in 
the winter. I have been to Crystal river a couple times and have snorkled 
with the manatees. It has been  a number of years since I have been there so 
I am looking forwatrd to the springs and manatees
Bob

> Hi Bob,
>
> If you are in crystal river there are a few springs up the creeks that
> you can go
> snorkelling in - they were very interesting.
>
> I've seen manatees while paddling in the flats but not for long enough
> to come anywhere near swimming with them.
>
> My sister-in-law lives in crystal river so I get down there every couple
> of years.
>
> I can get you more info on getting to the springs if you want.
>
> Going out the river, toward the ocean, didn't seem worthwhile, it's a
> pretty monotonous paddle.
>
> I found exploring the harbor and creeks more fun.  Admittedly there were
> more houses, but it's about 7 miles of marsh out the main river to the
> ocean, the river is fairly straight and about 100 yards wide.  More like
> driving on a highway (on a sunday morning) than a "secluded" paddle.
>
> Kirk
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From: Jeff Van Cott <jvancott_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Monotonous Weather
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:53:43 -0600
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With all the talk about Climate, etc, I just wanted to relate
something I learned about myself over the years.  I have lived and
experienced the climates as far north as Giscome, British Columbia and
as far south as Veracruz, Mexico and all over the US and  I have found
that  I can be miserable anywhere.
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: [Paddlewise] That cursed whale mpeg
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:11:41 +1300
Help!

I know that there was discussion a while back on the list regarding an .mpeg
doing the rounds showing a whale splatting a sea kayaker. I took little
notice at the time, as I had not seen the clip, but I seem to remember that
it was identified as an advert.

Having just received my fourth copy in a week, I'm none to happy about the
bandwidth clutter caused by the 2mb file.

Can someone please tell me the origin of the footage, so I inform those
friends with honestly held beliefs that it is real. If it is real, where is
the interview of the paddler, who has a whale of a tail to tell? (Sorry, I
just had to :-)

Cheers

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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That cursed whale mpeg
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:30:10 -0800
Hi John,

Sunday, January 23, 2005, 1:11:41 PM, you wrote:

> Can someone please tell me the origin of the footage, so I inform
> those friends with honestly held beliefs that it is real. If it is
> real, where is the interview of the paddler, who has a whale of a
> tail to tell? (Sorry, I just had to :-)

It was a Japanese commercial for "Powerade" (a Coca-Cola company
product).

Here are a few links to consider:

Complete Commercial:

http://www.jengajam.com/r/Powerade-Advert-MPEG

Now see this picture sans paddlers:

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/orca-02.html

Here's the original video (the still photo above is taken from this
video):

http://www.slavetoentertainment.com/LolitaTrailer1.mov

And finally, here's what "snopes.com" has to say about the video:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/kayak.asp

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From: Melissa Reese <melissa_at_bonnyweeboaty.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That cursed whale mpeg
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:43:00 -0800
Hi,

Sunday, January 23, 2005, 1:30:10 PM, I wrote:

> It was a Japanese commercial for "Powerade"

Oops!  According to the snopes.com article I cited, it was Korean
rather than Japanese.  I remember reading the article a while ago, so
I don't know how I got it in my head that it was Japanese.  Sorry
about that! :-)

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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: [Paddlewise] It's not winter down here!
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:21:46 +1300
This is for those poor souls who are forced to cut holes in ice to find
water liquid enough to paddle.

The Canterbury Sea Kayak Network, a very informal group, has just held its
11th annual mini-forum at Okains Bay, Banks Peninsula, NZ. Timed to avoid
any public holidays, and to fit with high-tide in the early afternoon, the
weekend is free to anyone interested.

Attracting over 70 paddlers - a record - of all abilities and experience, it
was a great opportunity to socialise, paddle, teach and learn. A low surf
kept many happy, while the two metre swells off-shore caused a few dry
mouths. Those who were up early went dolphin-spotting, and were rewarded
with a brilliant display, at one time I counted at least six Hectors
Dolphins playing in my bow wave.

An evening talk on the rapidly diminishing wildlife on the peninsula, mainly
caused by introduced predators, was a sobering reminder of the harm we are
doing to our environment. Gliding among the dolphins, one paddler commented
how terrible it would be if we were the last generation able to do this, and
the responsibility that we had to the future.

The water was warm enough for swimming, which was as well for those learning
about surfing and bracing for the first time. One paddler in a rescue clinic
I was running was foolish enough to light a cigarette while afloat, the
first time I have ever seen this. He was immediately "volunteered" as the
victim for the demonstration, and I think he got the message.

A paddle up river to a Maori Waka, or war canoe, at the local marae was a
highlight for some, and ice creams on the way home ended the weekend for
others.

I'm not gloating, really.

JKA


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From: Bob Volin <bobvolin_at_optonline.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] That cursed whale mpeg
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:22:58 -0500
The first time I saw the whale mpg was perhaps a couple of years ago -- 
not at all sure of the timing.  I was amused, so I saved it.  The 
footage was attached to a "Powerade" commercial.  I recall no 
information at that time regarding the origin or authenticity of the 
incident.  Seems to me that the speech in the background is Japanese.  
Anyone able to verify that?

Not much, but it's what I have....

Bob

John Kirk-Anderson wrote:

><snip>
>Can someone please tell me the origin of the footage, so I inform those
>friends with honestly held beliefs that it is real. If it is real, where is
>the interview of the paddler, who has a whale of a tail to tell? (Sorry, I
>just had to :-)
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