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From: Gordin Warner <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fwd: RE: Patch for repairing kayaks at sea
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:42:26 -0700
Peter,

I was also there and I can try to find out the exact brand of tape used and 
will forward the information on to you.  I suspect the tape might have been 
surplus to Canadian Naval needs.  ;-)

Gordin Warner
Victoria BC
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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Fwd: RE: Patch for repairing kayaks at sea
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:36:50 +1000
Gordin wrote: -
>I suspect the tape might have been
>surplus to Canadian Naval needs.  ;-)

Michael wrote: -
>US$125 a roll!!! I think I'll stick to using gelcoat


G'Day Gordin and Michael,

Gordin - Canadian Naval Duct Tape sounds good to me, especially if both you
and Doug' have seen it in use.

Michael - 1x 3M Helicopter tape roll is 150ft so $125 for 20 years
protection! Cheap at half the price:~), if one is only worried about sand.
I'm thinking of using it on a wooden painted boat as I can buy it in shorter
strips, but I concede your point for fibre glass boats!

All the best, PeterO
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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Fwd: RE: Patch for repairing kayaks at sea
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:17:44 -0700
>Gordin wrote: -
>>I suspect the tape might have been surplus to Canadian Naval needs.  ;-)

>Michael wrote: -
>>US$125 a roll!!! I think I'll stick to using gelcoat

Peter wrote (snip):

>Gordin - Canadian Naval Duct Tape sounds good to me, especially if both you 
>and Doug' have seen it in use.<

Yeah, it must be  genuine Department of Defence tape, given the paddler in 
question's proximity to navel base supplies; and besides, Canadian military 
duct tape must be the most amazing stuff in the world, considering it 
probably keeps Canada's ancient Sea King helicopter fleet, literally, 
together. :-

So, it's actually _Canadian_ helicopter tape that's the good stuff eh.

Peter, you really should acquire some good duct tape; according to the US 
Department of Homeland Security, duct tape's 1001 uses include sealing off 
your home in the event of chemical attack. Hmmm, I'll have to try that next 
time I'm fiberglassing in the basement. Family will love me for that, 
though, I might expire. :-)

Seriously, if anyone would like an article on Duct Tape sent to them, just 
e-mail me back channel. Lee valley had a recent publication on Duct tape 
facts (not available on-line, though).

I currently have some  duct tape on my Nordkapp, which is a sure sign it's 
time for a full rebuild. Or, I could just wrap 10 rolls of tape around the 
hull/deck. That would be strong. Or just by a plastic kayak.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC
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From: Gordin Warner <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Fwd: RE: Patch for repairing kayaks at sea
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:54:58 -0700
Opps.

It was a reasonable assumption that the duct tape we used during our 
simulated on water patch session came from the naval shipyard.  However I 
was wrong.  The tape in question was purchased at a local hardware 
store.  Unfortunately since the cardboard core was removed, so that the 
tape could be flatted and stuffed into a PFD pocket, we've no way of 
telling what the brand was.

Doug is spot on regarding the Lee Valley article about duct tape.  I would 
go so far as recommending anyone who wants better quality duct tape go on 
line and order some from LV.  I have no association with the company, other 
then the fact I spend far too much of my disposable income there.

I'm considering a test of the US governments recommendation for duct 
tape.  I propose half the people on Paddlewise eat beans for a week, then 
tape themselves into a room.  Have your surviving family members report the 
results.  The other half of the Paddlewise community should benifit.

Gordin Warner
Victoria BC
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From: Doug Lloyd <dalloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Fwd: RE: Patch for repairing kayaks at sea
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:59:04 -0700
Gordin replied (snip)
> Doug is spot on regarding the Lee Valley article about duct tape.  I would 
> go so far as recommending anyone who wants better quality duct tape go on 
> line and order some from LV.  I have no association with the company, 
> other then the fact I spend far too much of my disposable income there.<

Someone already posted the Lee valley web site, though I think they credited 
it as an American company, which I believe is incorrect. I have a 
woodworking friend who tests new developments for Lee Valley, and it is very 
much a Canadian enterprize.

Disposable income? Like yeah! You must have built a strip boat Gordin. Those 
router bits can add up. Too bad there isn't more sharing of equipment 
amongst paddlers. We are such a disposable consumer-goods society, bying 
things for one time use so often.

As far as duct tape, I carry some with me always, as well as clear packing 
tape, with the latter being a very good emergency repair necessity that 
works well in a wet environment and carries in a kayak with less bulk than 
duct tape. I also carry an epoxy and glass "instant repair" kits which seal 
better that kits cobbled together yourself.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC
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