It happened again. A teenager on a jet ski looked over her shoulder at her fellower jet skier and plowed into a motorboat with a grandfather and three grandsons. The grandfather died and the girl on the jet ski is in intensive care. The one thing that really scares me about being in a kayak is a kid on a jet ski. I try to avoid them at all costs, and don't expect to find them in Maine next week, but they can be a real menace. I carry lots of safety gear and try to gain as much knowlege as possible when I paddle and wondered what I could do to protect myself and my fellow paddler from a careless jetskier. I've paddle in Maine a fair amount and I'm always on the lookout for for lobster boats, which are quick and rarely travel in a straight line. I always give them a wide berth when they are working their pots. I always have a small airhorn in my PFD pocket, but am considering mounting it directly on my boat for easier access in an emergency situation. Has anyone done any like this or do you have other ideas. I have a red boat, red and yellow PFD's and reflective tape on my paddles. We just spent three days camping on an island in Lake George in NY and only saw one jet skier at least a mile away. Very nice. An old timer told me that jet skis have been reduced by 80 percent since they enacted tough rules regarding training and where they can be used. John MacKechnie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
bigmac1_at_enter.net wrote: The one thing that really scares me about being in a kayak is a kid on a jet ski. I try to avoid them at all costs, and don't expect to find them in Maine next week, but they can be a real menace. > John MacKechnie Only once did I feel a bit threatened by jet skis. I was out with my then 6 year old son on a large lake in an open cockpit rec boat. Three jet skis circled us twice in a tight pattern. A mom, dad, and teenage son. I think they were curious about us more than anything and werent being malicious. The wakes reflecting off each other ejected my son right out of the boat! As always he had a PFD on. They spun away and I collected my kid. He actually enjoyed it. Good thing kids bounce. Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I always have a small airhorn in my PFD pocket, but am considering mounting > it directly on my boat for easier access in an emergency situation. Has > anyone done any like this or do you have other ideas. I have a red boat, red > and yellow PFD's and reflective tape on my paddles. I'm carrying a whistle on a short bungey tied PFD shoulder, so it's always accessible. It seems to be quite loud, - don't know whether the psychological effect on a jet-skier would be the same as with a horn. Mentality of teenagers is already beyond my comprehension :-) ... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > I always have a small airhorn in my PFD pocket, but am considering > mounting > > it directly on my boat for easier access in an emergency situation. > > Has anyone done any like this or do you have other ideas. I have a > > red boat, > red > > and yellow PFD's and reflective tape on my paddles. > > I'm carrying a whistle on a short bungey tied PFD shoulder, so it's > always accessible. It seems to be quite loud, - don't know whether the > psychological effect on a jet-skier would be the same as with a horn. > Mentality of teenagers is already beyond my comprehension :-) ... I've tried a number of whistles: many of them _seemed_ loud at the time, but out on the water with wind, waves, paddle splashes, they suddenly don't seem as effective. My loudest whistle is two fingers in mouth (but not 100% reliable if I'm in a hurry). To return to the original situation -- a jetski driver turning away from watching where they are going -- I really don't know if even an airhorn is going to make much difference. First, there's the engine noise that the jetski driver will be hearing, and second there's the whole "paying attention" thing. If you're close enough to get their attention ("Hey, that noise might be something important!"), it'll probably be too late for the driver to turn around, find you, and take corrective action. I hate jetskis, myself. Mostly they seem to be driven by people who have zero sense that anyone else might be out on the water and wanting to do something other than making big waves and lots of noise. They dart about like crazy and one can never be sure of where they're going, in order to take evasive action. I'm looking for some help developing a deck gun that will be a mini- EMP for small engines, so I can leave them sitting dead in the water as I paddle by. I'm going to make a killing (rhetorically speaking) when I get this baby perfected! -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A friend of mine says she wants to fill a paint gun with tacks. Sounds like we have a good market out there if we can come up with an effective anti-jetski product. I'm in favor of flame-throwers myself, except that I'd have to paddle around the debris, so maybe some form of vaporizer would be better. :) Susan ----- Original Message ----- > I'm looking for some help developing a deck gun that will be a mini- > EMP for small engines, so I can leave them sitting dead in the water > as I paddle by. I'm going to make a killing (rhetorically speaking) > when I get this baby perfected! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Anyone ever played paintball from their kayak?.... :-) Jackie Darryl wrote: >I'm looking for some help developing a deck gun that will be a mini- >EMP for small engines, so I can leave them sitting dead in the water >as I paddle by. I'm going to make a killing (rhetorically speaking) >when I get this baby perfected! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (including headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] Having been harassed by a jet-ski myself, I'd vote for surface-to-surface missile battery. Does the U.S.Navy have any surplus? Brad Crain Quoting Jackie Myers <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com>: > Anyone ever played paintball from their kayak?.... :-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/19/2005 7:28:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bigmac1_at_enter.net writes: I always have a small airhorn in my PFD pocket, but am considering mounting it directly on my boat for easier access in an emergency situation. Has anyone done any like this or do you have other ideas. Some people make a habit of carrying a disposable waterproof camera with them all the time. Good for recording the good things out there, but also a good deterrent -- provided the miscreant sees you aim the camera his way and realizes the photo could be used to prosecute him/her for reckless endangerment or unsafe operation or whatever. Also carry a VHF or cell phone and notify the local enforcement agency about unsafe operation. They usually take it very seriously and will investigate. You may need to stick around and lodge a complaint for any legal action to be taken against them. Stay safe, Harold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (including headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] Well you are not safe here in Maine either. Last summer there was an event that did not make a lot of news but the sad story was athat an other one of these idiots managed to vault himself and his jetski in to a sail boat on Casco Bay and amputated the leg of the owner who was on deck stowing a sail. I say cary a flare gun and aim for his head if they get any were near you. michael From: <bigmac1_at_enter.net> > It happened again. A teenager on a jet ski looked over her shoulder at her > fellower jet skier and plowed into a motorboat with a grandfather and three > grandsons. The grandfather died and the girl on the jet ski is in intensive care. > > The one thing that really scares me about being in a kayak is a kid on a jet > ski. I try to avoid them at all costs, and don't expect to find them in > Maine next week, but they can be a real menace. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Susan Williams wrote: >Sounds like >we have a good market out there if we can come up with an effective >anti-jetski product. I'm in favor of flame-throwers myself, except that I'd >have to paddle around the debris, so maybe some form of vaporizer would be >better. :) > > This looks promising.... http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050720/sc_nm/riots_dc_1 <http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050720/sc_nm/riots_dc_1> "The Active Denial System weapon, classified as "less lethal" by the Pentagon, fires a 95-gigahertz microwave beam at rioters to cause heating and intolerable pain in less than five seconds." Sounds like wiping out in the surf and falling right into a bunch of portuguese man-of-war. (yep, been there... had a shirt on over my swimtop they ended up under) http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/expltx/eft/gulf/cspecies/manofwar.htm On second thought, maybe you could just load up a water bazooka with these and take aim..... jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Moderator's Note: Content unaltered. Excessive quoting (including headers/footers/sig lines/extraneous text from previous posts, etc.) have been removed. Please edit quoted material in addition to removing header/trailers when replying to posts.] As President of PETAJ - (People for the Ethical Treatment of Adrenaline Junkies) I am appalled by the recent suggestions on dealing with Jet Skiers. If you have not read our position paper on dealing with Jet Skiers may I direct you to http://home.earthlink.net/~mjamja/id15.html Mark J. Arnold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I used to carry a small air horn. But the problems I encountered were: *After a very short blast, the valve would ice up (especially if wet), rendering the horn useless *To be at the ready, I'd thread the horn valve onto the canister. But over a few weeks, the canister would leak, so if I ever needed the horn, I usually found it empty (which could be replaced, but it took time to do so). *much to my surprise, the effective range of the horn, if it worked, was quite low, *particularly* upwind. I once used it to try to attract the attention of a paddling group (for the benefit of one of their members who had "crash landed" in my camp), at a range of some 70 yards with a 15-20 kn head wind, and they couldn't hear a thing. I would imagine someone riding a jet ski or wave runner would be unable to hear a horn, unless you were frightfully close together. Don't forget the "duck and cover" maneuver - i.e. capsize. That of course requires you have warning, and the presence of mind to think to hit the drink in self defense. And it might not be a lot of fun for small passengers 8^( You might try firing a flare across their bow! (yes, I'm kidding). Mitch McKinnon ______________________________ CoyoteCo Performance Sea Kayaking Instruction and Video Production www.CoyoteCo.Net 360 896-2151 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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