The water in the lake in front of my house is way too hard for paddlling and I'm running out of old magazines to read. Even the Internet doesn't have nearly enough. But I know that there are paddlewisers who live in warmer climes who are happily spending their time puttering about in small boats. So why doncha tell us about it? Those of us who live in the land of hard (very hard!) waters are counting on you all to give us some vicarious relief from the cold. I promise to do my part come April or May but unless you all want accounts of criss-country skiing in the Cascades, I suggest some of you warm-weather habitants get busy!!! :) Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Craig, Monday, December 17, 2007, 9:39:02 PM, you wrote: > I promise to do my part come April or May but unless you all want > accounts of criss-country skiing in the Cascades, I suggest some of > you warm-weather habitants get busy!!! I live over here on the wet side of the state, so my water is always liquid! :-) I really wouldn't mind reading a few "skiing in the Cascades" stories, so go ahead! Or, you could just take your most appropriate boat and do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flztm1fF6s Back to liquid water paddling... I paddle several times a week (all seven days if I can get away with it), but I don't write about it very often, though sometimes I do, and I'm sure you've seen some of it here over the years. I did have a nice paddle a couple days after that storm a couple weeks ago that knocked out our electricity for a week, and while the winds had calmed down almost completely, the surf and swell was still pretty impressive. Once I got through the messy surf zone that went on forever, the big swell was wonderful. While in the troughs, I could only see water all around me, no sky. While on the crests, I could see all the way into the Olympic mountains. The water was cold and refreshing, but not frozen! :-) -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi, I just read during a longish trip 'We Cannot Fail' by Geoff Powter (Robinson, London 2007; published also in US around 2006 by the Mountaineers books). The back cover text boasts about 'the dark psychology of heroic adventure' and truly, Powter makes quite good profiles of more than 10 (mostly) tragic adventurers. Among others, included are well known Merriwether Lewis, John Franklin, Robert Falcon Scott and balloonist Solomon Andrie. The range of stories varies from North Pole to South Pole, from European Alps to Mt. Everest, from some ridiculous attempts to circumnavigate the globe by boat to extreme long distance solo flights in the 1930's. It is a thought provoking read, though you might want to disagree with the writer sometimes. About twenty illustrations makes reading more entertaining, but I would have wanted to get even longer and more detailed descriptions and stories (only 245 pages). Cheers, Ari Saarto - navigare necesse est - tel. + 358 (0) 40 58 59 676 http://asaarto1.blogspot.com/ On 18. joulu 2007, at 07:39, Craig Jungers wrote: > The water in the lake in front of my house is way too hard for > paddlling and > I'm running out of old magazines to read. Even the Internet doesn't > have > nearly enough. But I know that there are paddlewisers who live in > warmer > climes who are happily spending their time puttering about in small > boats. > So why doncha tell us about it? Those of us who live in the land of > hard > (very hard!) waters are counting on you all to give us some > vicarious relief > from the cold. I promise to do my part come April or May but unless > you all > want accounts of criss-country skiing in the Cascades, I suggest > some of you > warm-weather habitants get busy!!! > > :) > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I see the puppy is progressing nicely. :) It's interesting to me that new paddlers have some things in common with heroic adventurers. Whenever the subject of paddling hazards comes up someone inevitably mentions skills, someone else mentions equipment and then another person brings up judgement. While I agree that all of these are pertinent, I think the problem becomes more of "you don't know what you don't know". And it seems to me this applies to experts on an heroic adventure as well as to inexperienced people facing only a slightly new (to them) hazard. Judgement requires some idea of the hazard as it relates to you and your skills and equipment. If you've never put yourself into such a position before then how would you know the risks? Books like Matt Broze's about deadly situations and the ongoing articles in the magazines and on the Internet can all certainly be a source of the knowledge required for "judgement". But there must be a lot of paddlers who don't expose themselves to these sources; maybe because they never think of themselves as "sea kayakers". And they aren't until they try to paddle around, say, Orcas Island. We've had some highly skilled paddlers comment that they think there is too much emphasis placed on equipment rather than on skills. This may be so especially in view of the simple fact that equipment ads make the magazines go 'round. But I think that an emphasis on any one facet is a disservice. Skills are critical but there are situations in which skills alone won't save you. Equipment is important but equipment alone is not the answer. Judgement is crucial because only with judgement can one size up a situation and determine that he/she has neither the skills or the equipment to continue. The problem with judgement is that it requires education in order to work. Either experience (been in that situation before; don't want to do it again) or education in the form of a story (read about that situation before; don't want to do it myself). In the case of an heroic adventure when no one has tried the feat before how does the team determine what skills and equipment are necessary? People are doing things today that would have been regarded as foolhardy a few decades ago. Extreme skiing comes to mind where skills and euipment have combined to allow athletes to do things that would have resulted in certain death previously. So the team, with no prior knowledge, uses the knowledge they *do* have and extrapolate that. Newbies may have no basis for that extrapolation. They may be equally ignorant of skills and equipment and therefore have no way of exercising judgement. Instead of a triangle (skills, equipment, judgement) I think we have more of a paralellogram (skills, equipment, education, judgement). I only use a parallelogram because it has 4 sides but is not necessarily static in shape. This is why I think paddlewise and other venues are so important as discussion centers for educational purposes. And, of course, for fun too. Thanks for the link. I hope the puppy outgrows his/her penchant for 1am rambles or you are in trouble. <grin> Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA On Dec 18, 2007 1:24 AM, Ari Saarto <asaarto_at_elisanet.fi> wrote: > Hi, > > I just read during a longish trip 'We Cannot Fail' by Geoff Powter > (Robinson, London 2007; published also in US around 2006 by the > Mountaineers books). > > The back cover text boasts about 'the dark psychology of heroic > adventure' and truly, Powter makes quite good profiles of more than > 10 (mostly) tragic adventurers. > > Among others, included are well known Merriwether Lewis, John > Franklin, Robert Falcon Scott and balloonist Solomon Andrie. The > range of stories varies from North Pole to South Pole, from European > Alps to Mt. Everest, from some ridiculous attempts to circumnavigate > the globe by boat to extreme long distance solo flights in the 1930's. > > It is a thought provoking read, though you might want to disagree > with the writer sometimes. About twenty illustrations makes reading > more entertaining, but I would have wanted to get even longer and > more detailed descriptions and stories (only 245 pages). > > Cheers, > > Ari Saarto *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks Graig, for your long post and insight! - I have been toying with the idea that Powter's categories in his book might be useful. Been paddling for 11 years now, and have seen quite a lot of people doing quite a funny, strange and sometimes dangerous things at sea. Powter had three chapters (categories) describing 'the driving issues and forces behind the characters': the burdened, the bent and the lost. Though I think the category titles have quite a lot poetic freedom of expression, it is fascinating to read his stories and descriptions. How about if your fellow paddler becomes (or is) a risk? Or, sometimes, you? The 'burdened' were 'haunted by the tremendous challenge to succeed, either from within or without'. - I have seen that, and witnessed the pressure. Sometimes I work hard to avoid this in myself. 'The bent were likely drawn to adventure and acted the way they did because of a deeply seated malignancy in their psychological make- up'. - Not familiar about this, but egocentric adventurers are not quite uncommon, aren't they? At worst this could be described as narcissistic or sociopathic character. Powter spends few lines to ponder the thin line between self-absorved activity/constructive risk- taking and pure narcissism which can lead others into danger. I find the subject fascinating and have some doubts that I have met one or two people who do fit this category. 'The lost were people whose adventures ultimately had the same rudderless quality that their lives did, drifting sadly, frantically or naovely toward their unhappy conclusions'. -Again, quite familiar subject, though fortunately no tragic endings... at least as far as I know. Not a misanthropist, but if I am paddling alone, at least I have chosen my company ;-) Ari Saarto - navigare necesse est - tel. + 358 (0) 40 58 59 676 http://asaarto1.blogspot.com/ > > This is why I think paddlewise and other venues are so important as > discussion centers for educational purposes. And, of course, for > fun too. > > Thanks for the link. I hope the puppy outgrows his/her penchant for > 1am > rambles or you are in trouble. <grin> > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Dec 19, 2007 1:07 AM, Ari Saarto <asaarto_at_elisanet.fi> wrote: > > > Powter had three chapters (categories) describing 'the driving issues > and forces behind the characters': the burdened, the bent and the > lost. Though I think the category titles have quite a lot poetic > freedom of expression, it is fascinating to read his stories and > descriptions. How about if your fellow paddler becomes (or is) a > risk? Or, sometimes, you? Powter's book seems to be fascinating from your reviews and obviously very applicable to kayakers who are, I think, all adventurers of one stripe or another. I've seen his three categories in others and recognized tendencies in myselfw. I think any of us could fall into one of his three tragic categories but for fear. At least in my case a good dollop of fear has tempered my spirit of adventure many times. It's often healthy to conquer fear. But ignoring fear completely is not the same as conquering it. Fear and judgement seem to me to be closely related but depend heavily on one's frame of reference. Sometimes people can have multiple frames of reference and not be able to separate one from another; this could lead to tragedy. An example of multiple frames of reference would be a person who often rides a large ship or ferry but who also owns a small powerboat or sailboat AND also kayaks or paddles. Standing on shore looking out at a waterway those three frames of reference could be in conflict with each other. Looking at the whitecaps of a Force 5 the kayaker might (wisely) wait for better weather, the powerboater might think it's slightly rough, the sailboater would think it looks challenging and the ferry rider would wonder what the fuss was all about. Just being both a white water paddler and a sea kayaker could confuse a person's frame of reference. While it's unusual for a white water drop to last miles and miles with no possibility of escape, that's not unusual for a sea kayaker caught out in inclement weather. If one looks at a weather report with a w/w paddler's eyes without thinking through the ramifications a person might paddle off into unrecognized danger. Consider the reverse where a sea kayaker looks at a river thinking perhaps that the rapids would go on forever and not realizing that there is a quiet pool at the base of the white water where one can relax and recover from the 5 minute drop. It's not surprising that the sea kayaker may be reluctant to launch. As I have gotten older - mostly through luck - I've adopted one mental idea to keep me safe: I try not to be stupid. It seems simple, but it's not as easy as it sounds. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The best I could do on short notice: http://www.sandmarks.net/KayakStory.html Mark Sanders www.sandmarks.net -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Craig Jungers The water in the lake in front of my house is way too hard for paddlling and I'm running out of old magazines to read. Even the Internet doesn't have nearly enough. But I know that there are paddlewisers who live in warmer climes who are happily spending their time puttering about in small boats. So why doncha tell us about it? Those of us who live in the land of hard (very hard!) waters are counting on you all to give us some vicarious relief from the cold. I promise to do my part come April or May but unless you all want accounts of criss-country skiing in the Cascades, I suggest some of you warm-weather habitants get busy!!! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
G'day Craig, I imagine half the paddling world is watching this couple and hoping they make it OK. Don't know how many of you are tracking them but they certainly have some stories to tell. Well worth a visit! http://www.crossingtheditch.com.au/index.html All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey, don't forget to paddle some in SoCal. Join the ckf.org email list at http://ckf.org/email_list_rules.htmto see all of the planned events. Even Rafael will vouch for us (he is our long-distance member). Dave Houser > [Original Message] > From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> > To: Rafael Mier <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx> > Cc: Paddlewise net <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> > Date: 12/18/2007 5:58:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Wanted - Kayak Stories > > On Dec 18, 2007 2:10 PM, Rafael Mier <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx> wrote: > > > > > So I suggest that you break the winter in two and come down for a week or > > so > > and paddle with us. > > > That sounds like a good idea to me! A small kayak hotel in Veracruz sounds > wonderful. I love Veracruz cuisine too. > > My wife and I had a baby while we were cruising the Sea of Cortez in 1977; > one of the few blond-haired, blue-eyed baby boys born in the Pabellon > Guadelup in Guaymas, Sonora. In high school a few years back he wanted to > join a high school club that was open only to Latinos. There were somewhat > surprised when he could offer documentary proof that he was a Latino. LOL > > I'm planning a kayak getaway in April and hope to get in some paddling as I > drive down the W. Coast of the USA on my way to meet my wife and family on > their vacation at Disneyland. It sure would be fun to just keep on driving > south. :) > > Thanks for the anecdote. Hard to imagine nice weather today (3 inches of > snow this morning). > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] Now that you mention it, I have to agree. You find in SoCal better water color, nicer surfing waves, lots more of wildlife, excellent paddlers and unsurpassable friends. That is why I joined CKF org. Veracruz on the other hand is a more folkloric place. People live in very much unfinished cottages and keep practices of 50 years back, but the atmosphere, the folk dances and music and marimba, the food, the northern winds, the friendliness of people, the archeological sites, etc give a special flavor that, to my mind, compensates for the underdevelopment. I love to go to San Diego and the OC and Sta Barbara. I love the Sea of Cortis, I love Veracruz and love also Cancun and the Mayan Coast. There is its charm in Corpus with its always running surfable waves in the Bay, and I love the Bayous in Louisiana, with its own French influence and fantastic folklore and food. I am not that fond of the Seattle area because water is always too cold there for my taste, even though I have good friends and my teacher there. Please don't ask me why I live in Queretaro, and to my own relief, I have a little hut full of kayaks in the little lake 15 minutes away, following the question "which is the best paddling lake?" the closest. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico. -----Mensaje original----- De: The Housers [mailto:houser4_at_earthlink.net] Asunto: Re: [Paddlewise] Wanted - Kayak Stories Hey, don't forget to paddle some in SoCal. Join the ckf.org email list at http://ckf.org/email_list_rules.htmto see all of the planned events. Even Rafael will vouch for us (he is our long-distance member). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just because you asked so nicely I decided to brave the conditions so you would have something to read. The day started with car battery removal and replacement after being temporarily stranded at the marina following yesterday's paddle. Although it was getting later in the day, your plea had touched me and I decided I just had to go and paddle. The air temp was in the mid 70's and the water temp was in the low 60's and the wind was right around 10 mph. I paddled from the marina boat launch out through the breakwater entrance and then south over to the Emerald Beach Hotel and then returned in about 1hr. I then paddled north inside the breakwater over to the Texas State Aquarium and finished the day with some short laps in the south end of the marina. No dolphins today, but it was still a very nice paddle. You can see the pics with descriptions at http://picasaweb.google.com/mjamja1/DecDowntown I am heading out Thursday to see if I can get you some dolphin videos to watch. Mark J. Arnold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I just want to say to all you nice folks that after seeing the photos of you all paddling away in warm weather and sunshine I really feel like crap now. Whose idea was this anyway... oh wait... it was my idea. Jeez. There must be a pine tree around here somewhere. Craig Jungers Moses La... oh, who cares *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
PaddleWise - i'll be off line 'til after the first of the year. Back down to Florida Bay ... paddling. i'll give you my story when i return. There are pines in Florida. Best of the season to all. john Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote: I just want to say to all you nice folks that after seeing the photos of you all paddling away in warm weather and sunshine I really feel like crap now. Whose idea was this anyway... oh wait... it was my idea. Jeez. There must be a pine tree around here somewhere. Craig Jungers Moses La... oh, who cares --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig wrote: .....But I know that there are paddlewisers who live in warmer climes who are happily spending their time puttering about in small boats. So why doncha tell us about it? Those of us who live in the land of hard (very hard!) waters are counting on you all to give us some vicarious relief from the cold. -......... Hi Craig, Yes I have some story to tell. I live in Queritaro in the Continental Divide in Mixico, and had to travel to Veracruz for business purposes and to work some on the little kayaking hotel I have been building for some years now. So I was caught with some time to do some surfing just before a strong cold front with 40 knots winds and 50 gusts would hit. It was nice 2 to 3 foot decent waves with moderate wind and I spent almost too hours going back and forth, with my friend Josi, each in a Performa L. He never capsized. I fell twice. BTW water is just right, not cold not warm. Air temperature is on the 20 Celsius. The funny thing is that on my first capsize, my head was on the wrong side and I had to pass it under the kayak in between a small gap to the other side, feeling the sand obstacle. Done that, my paddle was in awkward position so I made an attempt to roll just to catch air and accommodate myself properly. Then a wave came in and made my second attempt look as a breath taking exercise again, and when I was about to make the final and good attempt, the Three Hands of God were there. Two adults and two children came by and picked me up, put me on my feet and stood holding the kayak in between waves and shore. I was telling them to move sideways due to the obvious danger of a wave hitting them with the kayak, but they appreciated my comments as those of somebody who is incoherent and shocked from just having been saved from death. So I just thanked them and got the water out of the kayak and went back to the waves. Obviously in the guys mind there was something like "if he wants to die let him #$%&/" Anyway Josi and I made very good runs. We have a faulty run, though, since we pick up the wave and we get accelerated so much that we leave the wave behind and then the white water catches with us later on, with the necessary side brace. Our aim now is to turn and stay with the tube as much as possible. My second fall was in deeper waters and I rolled OK, and made a point not to capsize again, which I accomplished, even though wind and waves were growing. This happened on Saturday. Today, Tuesday I had an appointment with other kayakers by 8 AM, and they did not show up in 20 minutes so I went alone to a 5 mile apart Island. At half way there are some low reefs and after them the open waters were making a nice soup with clapotis and some 1 to 3 feet swell, from the back right quarter. It was a nice, mild shaky paddle and I reached the island alone. Did some walking, had some energy bars and water and started back and half way I met my friends. Temperature was fresh and just a shirt felt a little cold but with strong paddling the cold would go away. This is one of the worst Winter days in Veracruz. It gets bad only every four days when cold fronts come in and wind blows hard, but is time to practice in places where waves form nice patterns. So I suggest that you break the winter in two and come down for a week or so and paddle with us. Best Regards, Rafael Mexico *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Dec 18, 2007 2:10 PM, Rafael Mier <silidriel_at_prodigy.net.mx> wrote: > > So I suggest that you break the winter in two and come down for a week or > so > and paddle with us. That sounds like a good idea to me! A small kayak hotel in Veracruz sounds wonderful. I love Veracruz cuisine too. My wife and I had a baby while we were cruising the Sea of Cortez in 1977; one of the few blond-haired, blue-eyed baby boys born in the Pabellon Guadelup in Guaymas, Sonora. In high school a few years back he wanted to join a high school club that was open only to Latinos. There were somewhat surprised when he could offer documentary proof that he was a Latino. LOL I'm planning a kayak getaway in April and hope to get in some paddling as I drive down the W. Coast of the USA on my way to meet my wife and family on their vacation at Disneyland. It sure would be fun to just keep on driving south. :) Thanks for the anecdote. Hard to imagine nice weather today (3 inches of snow this morning). Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I back channeled this to Craig Jungers in response to his plea for something to roust him from his winter blahs. It cheered him up. the fact that my boat project got out of the garage cheered me up a lot more, believe me! In any case, although a bit off topic, here are links to latest photos, and some text describing where I am at: > Pretty big day. Thanks to a bunch of rowdy old farts, we eased the boat down my sloping driveway onto its trailer ... safely. BigBadBruce backed up the anchor; Ralph did photo duty; Coughlin told us what to do; Bob tied knots; Gary made sure they were OK; Karl worked the jack and hosed bunks; I stood around, got nervous, and went to the bathroom frequently. > > New photos begin here: http://www.pbase.com/bartenderdave/image/90298870/original > > Boat is now in the shed with another guy's 26-footer. We believe the progeny will be 22 footers. I think I'm due stud fees. [Whinny!] > > Waiting on registration, insurance, etc. maybe some sea trials soon. For those who may have missed this the first time I mentioned it, this boat is our "mother ship" to allow our aging joints to rest en route to protected bays, whereat we will assemble the two folding kayaks (Folbot Kodiak; Cooper) stored in the cabin, and gunkhole until we are tired, satisfied, or hungry! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Dec 18, 2007 6:42 PM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > I back channeled this to Craig Jungers in response to his plea for > something to roust him from his winter blahs. It cheered him up. the > fact > that my boat project got out of the garage cheered me up a lot more, > believe me! It certainly did cheer me up!!! I'm now looking forward to more essays from Dave as he uses his new kayaking mother ship for new adventures. > In any case, although a bit off topic, here are links to latest photos, > and > some text describing where I am at: I certainly hope that the moderator doesn't feel that kayaking via a mother ship will produce anything to far off of the paddling theme. I know there are several of us who are in the advanced stages of getting a mother ship operation going to enhance our paddling fun. I believe that as long as the end result is kayaking, then posts about mother ships should be totally on topic. (moderator comment - motherships are fine so long as it stays non-commercial and maintains some paddling connection, motherships are just a way to get to more interesting locations - I consider the topic on par with asking/talking about cars - from a moderating standpoint - some very relevent points, and great story potential, but easy for some people to go astray. Periodic updates on the rebuild are worthwhile as others may be considering a rehab'ed mothership based on your "frugal" approach to this) At any rate, for me the mother ship is a way of getting me farther afield than I can by kayak alone. While we can often reach exotic locales by car and ferry the really fun places require more time (or money) than is often available. A small, trailerable power boat seems to me to be the perfect symbiot (is that word?) for kayaks. I plan to have my 25-foot Carver Santa Cruz ready to go by spring for less than $10,000 total outlay including electronics and kayak racks.... and heater! Just how much less remains to be seen. So far I'm out $3500 plus sales tax and registration fees of abut $400. Craigslist (www.craigslist.org) is full of 1970s powerboats in the 21 to 26 foot range for less than $5000; often with fresh overhauls on engines and outdrives. Almost all of these would be suitable for a personal mother ship adaptation. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Craig and everyone else too, We in southwest Florida are just coming into our prime paddling and camping season, so there's a lot going on. There's a good culture of trip reports. Our "club" which is organized only slightly more than Paddlewise, is basically a Yahoo group that coordinates paddles via Yahoo and posts reports and photos as well. As there are many others more active than I am, can I suggest you join or at least read the messages etc. from our yahoo groups? If you find something particularly interesting feel free to share it with the Paddlewisers directly. There are actually four Yahoo groups - SWFLPC, PCPCNaples, SWFLPCKFG and MangroveNavy. Here's the breakdown - Southwest Florida Paddling Club is the mother of all the above. As interest has grown we've started having more trips both north and south, so for geographic convienence as well as political clout, the group in Naples formed Paradise Coast Paddling Club of Naples. We all consider ourselved one "club" but the southern faction has chosed to organize more formally to achieve some of their local goals. The other two groups are special interest sub-sets, KFG stands for Kayak Fishing Group and the MangroveNavy came about to focus on kayak camping. You can pretty much see all the trip reports in SWFLPC and PCPCNaples. There will be duplicate posts as not everyone has elected to belong to both. Please join - we have many members from other parts of the country and even other countries who follow our adventures. Some come to paddle with us while they are on vacation, which we do encourage. Enjoy, Carey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've just had one of those maqic paddles that got me thinking - a miracle in its own right! Nothing flash about the location or situation: The harbour in front of my house I've paddled for years, in a choppy weather-tide just on sunset. (Sorry Craig, the water here is warm enough to be in short sleeves!) It was simply that I paddled "At one with the kayak", and seemed to use no energy to surf, paddle and turn. Once I noticed that I was using the water's dynamics properly, I started to analyse my mindset, and realised that I was actually thinking about Jiu Jitsu and Judo, martial arts that I started a couple of years ago. The principles of using energy from another source, either water or an opponent, to achieve the required goal, are similar in both paddling and some martial arts. Whether I was simply distracted enough to paddle without effort, or there was a crossover from another activity I'm unsure, but it got me thinking about the other things that we do in life that effect paddling. (I know, paddling is life, the rest is detail!) Many sports/activities have skills and motions that are similar, and I wondered what other people had found useful or applied between them. Hopefully not the fractures, sprains and bruises that I have have collected from taking up combat arts in what I am told is my Middle Age! Now all I have to do is relax more in the Dojo! Cheers JKA -- John Kirk-Anderson Banks Peninsula NEW ZEALAND *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Said It was simply that I paddled "At one with the kayak", and seemed to use no energy to surf, paddle and turn. Once I noticed that I was using the water's dynamics properly, I started to analyse my mindset, and realised that I was actually thinking about Jiu Jitsu and Judo, martial arts that I started a couple of years ago. The principles of using energy from another source, either water or an opponent, to achieve the required goal, are similar in both paddling and some martial arts. John, I could not agree with you more. A few years ago I was investigating as to whether or not I wanted to start Kung Fu and the instructor was explaining how body dynamics and Wing Chun works in the exact same way I explain how body dynamics and paddling works. I now find myself incorporating the body dynamics of Kung Fu with my paddling instruction in an effort to teach my students the best way to use their body to transfer their energy to the boat and paddle. Jeffrey Bingham /FLL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When I kayak on rice paper, I leave no trail! -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Jeff Bingham I now find myself incorporating the body dynamics of Kung Fu with my paddling... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>: > I've just had one of those maqic paddles that got me thinking - a miracle in > its own right! > > Nothing flash about the location or situation: The harbour in front of my > house I've paddled for years, in a choppy weather-tide just on sunset. > It was simply that I paddled "At one with the kayak", and seemed to use no > energy to surf, paddle and turn. > > Once I noticed that I was using the water's dynamics properly, I started to > analyse my mindset, and realised that I was actually thinking about Jiu > Jitsu and Judo, martial arts that I started a couple of years ago. The > principles of using energy from another source, either water or an opponent, > to achieve the required goal, are similar in both paddling and some martial > arts. > > Whether I was simply distracted enough to paddle without effort, or there > was a crossover from another activity I'm unsure, but it got me thinking > about the other things that we do in life that effect paddling. (I know, > paddling is life, the rest is detail!) > > John Kirk-Anderson On every paddle trip, I get tired after one minute of paddling. Then I take a thirty second rest. On my second attempt I usually enter a Zen-like phase where I don't feel much of anything except the wind in my face, moving water under the hull, and an exhilarating sense of freedom. Of course, the next day I may feel like twenty miles of bad road, but it's worth it to have a good adventure on the water. BRC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bradford R. Crain wrote: > On every paddle trip, I get tired after one minute of paddling. Then I > take a thirty second rest. On my second attempt I usually enter a > Zen-like phase where I don't feel much of anything except the wind in my > face, moving water under the hull, and an exhilarating sense of freedom. > Of course, the next day I may feel like twenty miles of bad road, but > it's worth it to have a good adventure on the water. Sad to say, it ain't Zen or meditation or any of that. It's just the endorphins kicking in, Brad ... natural opiate-like materials produced by exercise. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Kirk-Anderson wrote: <snip>>>>>>It was simply that I paddled "At one with the kayak", and seemed to use no energy to surf, paddle and turn. Once I noticed that I was using the water's dynamics properly, I started to analyse my mindset, and realised that I was actually thinking about Jiu Jitsu and Judo, martial arts that I started a couple of years ago. The principles of using energy from another source, either water or an opponent, to achieve the required goal, are similar in both paddling and some martial arts.<<<<<<<<< Bradford wrote: >>>>>>>>On every paddle trip, I get tired after one minute of paddling. Then I take a thirty second rest. On my second attempt I usually enter a Zen-like phase where I don't feel much of anything except the wind in my face, moving water under the hull, and an exhilarating sense of freedom.<snip>>>>>>> Wow, Jiu Jitsu and Zen. And I always thought I was just lazy so wanted all the help I could get. That's probably why I ride the lift up and mostly sit way back in my ski boots (much like I'm in a rocking chair) during those gravity powered descents. Back when I was younger and more ambitious/competitive (and had fallen in with a bad crowd of kayak racers) I too experienced a lot of muscle fatigue during the first mile of a race. Sometimes my shoulders especially would feel very tense and ache during the earlier parts of the race. I attributed that to a quick lactic acid buildup in the muscles that needed some time to dissipate. After that thought I wouldd try to paddle real hard for five minutes or so about 15 minutes before the start of the race and then rest up and dissipate the lactic acid during the rest before the start. That plan worked like a charm. The other problem that Brad may be experiencing is that he started out paying attention to his fatigue and then once he took his mind off himself he wasn't so bothered by it. I also learned during my racing days that by wearing headphones and listening to fast paced Rock and Roll music (Billy Idol was my favorite for this) I could paddle to the beat and not notice the pain (unless the music stopped). I theorized that this is probably the same reason that soldiers march in formation. Maybe even marching to the beat of a drum to induce that mindless "Zen-like" state. Well, back to the void. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Dec 23, 2007 2:28 PM, Matt Broze <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com> wrote: <snip> After that thought I wouldd try to paddle real hard for five > minutes or so about 15 minutes before the start of the race and then rest > up > and dissipate the lactic acid during the rest before the start. That plan > worked like a charm. Hmm... this is a good idea. I've had that same tired feeling early in a long paddle that went away after 15 or 20 minutes. This technique might work if one knew that there would be a hard paddle in current or wind. Did you notice that a Mariner II won the Deception Pass Dash? Pam gave me this news. > > Maybe even marching to the beat of > a drum to induce that mindless "Zen-like" state. My wife says that I have no problem putting myself into a mindless state. I know I don't like paddling to music because I like to have my ears available to listen for things like large boats coming up behind me. I have enough problems hearing without creating more. But I can see that it would help in a race where a paddler may not have to worry so much about boats running you over. Unless, of course, you're in last place. <grin> Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/23/2007 6:27:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, crjungers_at_gmail.com writes: Did you notice that a Mariner II won the Deception Pass Dash? Pam gave me this news. That was after the surf kayaks and such. Link is at _http://www.seattleraftandkayak.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.display/product_id/153/index.cfm_ (http://www.seattleraftandkayak.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.display/product_i d/153/index.cfm) Pam in Washington State **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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