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From: John Knoll <wjknoll_at_verizon.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:38:46 -0800
After reading Paddlewise for many years I have some questions and feel some
of you on this great forum have dealt with this topic.

I have been paddling 10k on a regular basis twice a week for the past 15
years. Sometimes more but usually not less.

Most of my paddling has been in the old style Looksha III  L 18-1/2 X W 22
. With added knee braces, I am in the boat fairly tight. I dont know if my
paddling has anything to do with it but my left knee and hip started to feel
uncomfortable in the boat and later on also while walking. It progressed to
the point were a Hip-Replacement is now recommended.

Does anyone think there could be an association with paddling and Hip
problems?

Does anyone paddle again after a hip replacement and what hip replacement
did you have? I am looking at words like Zimmer MIS Mini-Incision .
Anterior vs. Posterior incision.
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:25:43 -0800
Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though. 

http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0

Doug Lloyd
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 00:34:04 -0800
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote:

> Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
> Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
> was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though.
>
> http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0
>
> Quite an adventure. You would be right at home there, Doug. And her Necky
might weigh almost as much as your old Nordy did once it's been completely
repaired. I plan to follow her trip as it appears that she will be giving
lots of information out as she paddles.  Thanks for the link.

I wish her the best of luck.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:33:23 -0800
Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.

Bradford R. Crain

Subject: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log


> Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
> Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
> was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though. 
> 
> http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0
> 
> Doug Lloyd
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:41:48 -0500
On 3/3/2010 12:33 PM, Bradford R. Crain wrote:
> Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.

Atlanta is in North Georgia. ;)

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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:31:27 -0800
I shouldn't have laughed at these. It only encourages them.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote:

> On 3/3/2010 12:33 PM, Bradford R. Crain wrote:
>
>> Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.
>>
>
> Atlanta is in North Georgia. ;)
>
> Steve
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:38:40 -0800
Somehow Brad, I will in earnest seek to not loose endurance with you as we
continue to be shackled by a ton of your so-called humour. :-)

Brad said:

Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.

Bradford R. Crain

Subject: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log


> Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
> Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
> was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though. 
> 
> http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0
> 
> Doug Lloyd
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:04:38 -0800
Doug Lloyd wrote:
> Somehow Brad, I will in earnest seek to not loose endurance with you as we
> continue to be shackled by a ton of your so-called humour. :-)
> 
> Brad said:
> 
> Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.
> 
> Bradford R. Crain

Sheesh, Doug, just go with the floe!

-- 
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Astoria, OR
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: [Paddlewise] Peddling The Ocean Blue
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:38:54 -0800
Yeah Greg, but can you roll it? And, if you can and you are in the recumbent
position, would that be automatically called a laid-back roll?

http://adventuresofgreg.com/blog/2010/02/23/inside-passage-trip-report/

DL
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:30:40 -0800
Good morning Lloyd Dougie:

Hope you and yours are doing well.

Good luck and fair winds to those lion-hearted individuals who
engage the fates and conduct extreme paddling expeditions. We are
all pulling for Haley. She has more gumption than I do.

My plans for the summer had included a circumnavigation of the earth by
kayak, but after accessing my skills and desire, I have decided to settle 
for
multiple re-runs of Globe Trekker instead.

And as for Canada taking the gold medal in hockey...thanks a lot.

And as for humour...that's not the correct spelling here in these parts.

Sincerely,
Me



Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log


> Somehow Brad, I will in earnest seek to not loose endurance with you as we
> continue to be shackled by a ton of your so-called humour. :-)
>
> Brad said:
>
> Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.
>
> Bradford R. Crain
>
> Subject: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
>
>
>> Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
>> Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
>> was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though.
>>
>> http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0
>>
>> Doug Lloyd
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:16:03 -0800
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>
>
> My plans for the summer had included a circumnavigation of the earth by
> kayak, but after accessing my skills and desire, I have decided to settle
> for
> multiple re-runs of Globe Trekker instead.
>

In honor (honour?) of Hayley's accomplishments I plan to circumnavigate one
of the grassy islands in Moses Lake (you can see it on google earth south of
the eastern-most crossing of the lake by I-90) today. Afterwards I will
celebrate with a nap on the sofa.

The cat always likes the nap part the best.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:38:13 -0800
Good morning neibour.

I'm sorry my spelling offends. It certainly offended my english teachers
through my school years as I moved between Quebec, Pakistan and the United
States, so it is sad that when I finally do spell correctly in the
jurisdiction my bandwidth emanates from, to commonwealth norms, I'm still
viewed as wrong. But replying to an American, I do admit the errour of my
ways - see, error is so much easier to write; you're right Brad. I certainly
hope I don't call on the incorrect saviour some day or follow the wrong
contours on my map. 

Having lived in California for a few years on the San Andreas fault line in
Contra Costa County and having felt a few tremours, err, tremors, I don't
however understand why my mum, err, mom, shopped at the Contra Costa Centre.
I think you better email them with you displeasure too.

As for Haley, she is a fair maiden of the see indeed. Different from Freya
for sure, but equally interesting, adventurous, and worthy of our support.

As for kayaking around the earth Brad, I'm glad you did the math on that
one.

You have a great Spring when it arrives, Brad. I think it has already
arrived here. And at least one American that skates got gold for the USA --
and Evan Lysacek didn't even fall through the melting ice.  

Doug
 
Brad said:

Good morning Lloyd Dougie:

Hope you and yours are doing well.

Good luck and fair winds to those lion-hearted individuals who
engage the fates and conduct extreme paddling expeditions. We are
all pulling for Haley. She has more gumption than I do.

My plans for the summer had included a circumnavigation of the earth by
kayak, but after accessing my skills and desire, I have decided to settle 
for
multiple re-runs of Globe Trekker instead.

And as for Canada taking the gold medal in hockey...thanks a lot.

And as for humour...that's not the correct spelling here in these parts.

Sincerely,
Me



Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log


> Somehow Brad, I will in earnest seek to not loose endurance with you as we
> continue to be shackled by a ton of your so-called humour. :-)
>
> Brad said:
>
> Geez, I hope she takes time to enjoy Atlanta.
>
> Bradford R. Crain
>
> Subject: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
>
>
>> Looks like Haley Shepard in underway with her cirumnav of South Georgia.
>> Lots of turmoil getting there, worst summer weather ever, and her Looksha
>> was crushed during shipping. She's a real trooper though.
>>
>> http://www.kayakingtosavealbatross.com/index.asp?p=0
>>
>> Doug Lloyd
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From: hmgwarner <hmgwarner_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] South Georgia Expedition Log
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:27:32 -0800
Brad wrote

> And as for humour...that's not the correct spelling here in these parts.

I suffered a painful bout of the bad humours last Monday morning after 
celebrating Canada's gold mining at the "Spring Olympics."

The humours magically passed as I bent over to tie my shoes.  Unforutunately 
bad humours are very contagious and my co workers were almost immediately 
overcome.

Gordin Warner
from Gastown in Vancouver>
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From: <SNStone_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:32:15 EST
Hi
 
I know people who have had hip and knee replacements and have no problems  
paddling. I believe hip recovery is easier and faster than knees. People who 
I  have had the replacements indicate you must be dedicated in doing the  
rehabilitation. Finally, make sure the doctor and the hospital specialize in 
the  replacements and do a lot of them.  
 
sid
 
sid
 
 
In a message dated 3/2/2010 3:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wjknoll_at_verizon.net writes:


Does anyone think there could be an  association with paddling and Hip
problems?

Does anyone paddle again  after a hip replacement and what hip replacement
did you have? I am looking  at words like Zimmer MIS Mini-Incision .
Anterior vs. Posterior  incision.
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From: William Wetzel <wewjr_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:09:27 -0500
John,
Based on my experience; "keep paddlin !!"
I had a complete left hip replacement in 1996, paddled Prince William Sound 
10 months later in my CD Gulfstream  and all around North America ever 
since - including British Columbia, Baja CA, Chesapeake Bay, Maine coast, 
Georgian Bay, Cape Breton Island, NS etc.  Fourteen years later the hip is 
still working just fine.  Today's procedures and hip technology are light 
years better than back in 1996.  So this sample of one says go for it with 
high hopes for being out of commission for less than a year.
Good luck.  We will all be rooting for you.  For what it's worth I was 68 
when the procedure was done in '96.  Sadly other factors have put the end 
(of active paddling) in sight.
Cheers,
Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Knoll" <wjknoll_at_verizon.net>
Subject: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking


> After reading Paddlewise for many years I have some questions and feel 
> some
> of you on this great forum have dealt with this topic.

> Does anyone think there could be an association with paddling and Hip
> problems?
>
> Does anyone paddle again after a hip replacement and what hip replacement
> did you have? I am looking at words like Zimmer MIS Mini-Incision .
> Anterior vs. Posterior incision.
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From: Bruce Stromberg <bstromberg3_at_comcast.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:50:20 -0500
Your knee may be experiencing 'referred' pain from your damaged hip.  
I've had total hip replacements of both hips (1996 & 1999) and have no 
problems with kayaking, canoeing, biking, golfing, handball (friendly 
doubles) and normal activities.  The other 2 prior replies were good.  
My paddling did not cause the problem, just osteoarthritis (I'm now 59 
and too young for that! but life happens).  I highly agree with the 
suggestion to find an ortho dr that does lots of these procedures.  My 
dr does several hundred a year.  I'd be a cripple right now if it 
weren't for the hip work.  Don't hesitate to seriously consider it and 
good luck!

Bruce

John Knoll wrote:
> After reading Paddlewise for many years I have some questions and feel some
> of you on this great forum have dealt with this topic.
>
> I have been paddling 10k on a regular basis twice a week for the past 15
> years. Sometimes more but usually not less.
>
> Most of my paddling has been in the old style Looksha III  L 18-1/2 X W 22
> . With added knee braces, I am in the boat fairly tight. I dont know if my
> paddling has anything to do with it but my left knee and hip started to feel
> uncomfortable in the boat and later on also while walking. It progressed to
> the point were a Hip-Replacement is now recommended.
>
> Does anyone think there could be an association with paddling and Hip
> problems?
>
> Does anyone paddle again after a hip replacement and what hip replacement
> did you have? I am looking at words like Zimmer MIS Mini-Incision .
> Anterior vs. Posterior incision.
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From: John Knoll <wjknoll_at_verizon.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:07:44 -0700
Thank you Bruce and also thank you to Sid and Bill for your encouragement
and insight.

I am going for my second opinion today and thanks to your advice, I believe
to have found a place most suited for this type of surgery in my area
http://www.hipandpelvis.com/about/dr-yun.htm.

Most important I have learned, it won't have to eliminate my paddling in the
future and hope others can benefit from our collective experience.

Best

John
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:36:02 -0700
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, John Knoll <wjknoll_at_verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Most important I have learned, it won't have to eliminate my paddling in
> the
> future and hope others can benefit from our collective experience.
>
> It seems that every sport has its own "typical" injuries. Bicycling has
broken collarbones (the Tour de France typically has a few of these every
year). American football has concussion and knee injuries. Kayaking is known
for rotator cuff problems and shoulder dislocations (although fewer of the
latter now that more people are taking lessons and learning how NOT to do a
high brace).

Bruce's remarks about "referred" pain reminded me of why I have arthritis in
my right hip and right foot. I messed up my left knee in an industrial
accident over 20 years ago and have walked with a cane or crutches ever
since. At least any walk beyond the driveway of our house. It's no longer
the left knee that gives me trouble when I try to walk further; it's my
right hip and foot.

The only two sports I can do now are kayaking and (oddly enough)
cross-country skiing. Both of them are low (or no) impact on the legs. I was
amazed to find that I could xc ski, actually, and only returned to it after
a few winters of almost no exercise. Thinking it over I realized that all I
did was shuffle my feet and I had two poles to lean on. In fact on at least
one occasion my wife and I skied back to a plowed parking lot with our car a
half-block away. We took our skis off and I discovered that I couldn't walk
to the car. My wife had to bring it to me. But I could have skied there no
problem!!!

I gave up worrying about using a cane or crutches long ago. They make the
difference between being able to go along on family outings or sitting in
the car. But a recent 5-hour stint on (forearm) crutches at the Woodland
Park Zoo went far beyond the ability of hydro-codone to fix and I'm afraid I
was not my usual cheerful self during the 2-hour trip back home. I was, as
near as I could tell, the only person on crutches there but there must have
been 25 or 30 people in those electric wheelchairs you see advertised on tv
and that got me to thinking. Those folks were all having more fun than I
was. And I'd bet there were used ones on craigslist.

So the next day I started looking at craigslist (using www.craigz.com which
is a search engine for craigslist Pam pointed out to me and is very handy)
for electric wheelchairs and found one for $300. Then I found an electric
lift device that plugs into a Class III hitch receiver for $500. I am going
to use a separate battery so I don't have to always take my own car (almost
all of us have a hitch receiver in my family) and can just swap the lift and
chair to another car and we can all go together.

An unexpected bonus was that I'm now the most popular guy in the
neighborhood with the kids because I let 'em drive. LOL

My motto: I may be old, fat, bald and can't walk so good but it's STILL
better than dead!!!

My other motto: I'm not as dumb as I look.

Oh... new that chair is on Amazon for US$3400 and the lift is on the 'Net
for $1800. Craigslist is your friend.

Never.... ever.... give up your mobility.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:09:23 -0400
On 3/24/2010 11:36 AM, Craig Jungers wrote:
> The only two sports I can do now are kayaking and (oddly enough)
> cross-country skiing.

Well, those and electric chair racing.

>  there must have
> been 25 or 30 people in those electric wheelchairs you see advertised on tv
> and that got me to thinking.... and found one for $300.
>
> An unexpected bonus was that I'm now the most popular guy in the
> neighborhood with the kids because I let 'em drive. LOL

It's not electric, but this image may be evocative for your neighbors.

http://www.savvypaddler.com/Images/Enterpoop.gif

Steve
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Athens, GA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:21:03 -0700
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote:

> On 3/24/2010 11:36 AM, Craig Jungers wrote:
>
>> The only two sports I can do now are kayaking and (oddly enough)
>> cross-country skiing.
>>
>
> Well, those and electric chair racing.
>

Hmm... I wonder what 36volts will do.

It's not electric, but this image may be evocative for your neighbors.
>
> http://www.savvypaddler.com/Images/Enterpoop.gif
>
> I am pretty sure I can get a good running start and beat those guys!!!


Craig :)
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From: MATT MARINER BROZE <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:33:48 -0700
Craig wrote:
>>>>>>......So the next day I started looking at craigslist (using
www.craigz.com which
is a search engine for craigslist Pam pointed out to me and is very handy)
for electric wheelchairs and found one for $300. Then I found an electric
lift device that plugs into a Class III hitch receiver for $500. I am going
to use a separate battery so I don't have to always take my own car (almost
all of us have a hitch receiver in my family) and can just swap the lift and
chair to another car and we can all go together......<<<<<<

Craig, I'm pretty sure you could have had th taxpayers pay for at least the
$3400 unit through Medicare. Maybe even a car lift system could be added. They
should at leastr reimburse you for saving them about ten times as much as you
actually spent.

Medicare paid something over $4000 for a non-motorized wheel chair for my
mother several years back. After my mother died the wheel chair company would
give us $50 for the used chair. It seems sort of a racket to me to have
wheelchair prices so jacket up beyond reason because the government pays for
them but that seems to be the reality. The companies pay for ads on TV all the
time saying you can get a free motorized wheelchair if you qualify. Work with
the4 right Dr. and maybe you could get a new "Mobility Kayak". Gee, maybe I
should start a new business, Mobility Kayaks, to address the needs of us baby
boomers for greater mobility in our old age. Maybe a side business for custom
parts to soup up your Mobility devices to supply the needs of the drag race
fan boomers. "We alway take my chair cus its never been beat. Surf city here
we come."
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:58:37 -0700
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE
<marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>wrote:

>
> Craig, I'm pretty sure you could have had th taxpayers pay for at least the
> $3400 unit through Medicare. Maybe even a car lift system could be added.
> They
> should at leastr reimburse you for saving them about ten times as much as
> you
> actually spent.
>
> I'm pretty sure I could have gotten Medicare to pay for most of a new
one... but I would have probably been out some money and possibly even more
than I spent buying the used stuff. Somehow, to me at least, the tv ad guys
look like crooks making a ton of money off the system.

Then there are the families who have the chairs left behind by their parents
who got them with Medicare help who are trying to sell them on craigslist
for almost the same price new.

I like your mobility kayak business idea; can't wait to see you on tv. And
I'm always ready to soup up the chair!!!

Craig
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:24:01 -0700
  Craig:

      When you rebuild your workshop, perhaps you can attach flotation to a
chair, plus cup and rod holders, bait bucket and live well, flat screen
TV and GPS, microwave, and even navigation lights and flare launchers that
will be visible from outer space. A man or woman has to dream big.

BRC



Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:

> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE
> <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Craig, I'm pretty sure you could have had th taxpayers pay for at least the
>> $3400 unit through Medicare. Maybe even a car lift system could be added.
>> They
>> should at leastr reimburse you for saving them about ten times as much as
>> you
>> actually spent.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I could have gotten Medicare to pay for most of a new
> one... but I would have probably been out some money and possibly even more
> than I spent buying the used stuff. Somehow, to me at least, the tv ad guys
> look like crooks making a ton of money off the system.
>
> Then there are the families who have the chairs left behind by their parents
> who got them with Medicare help who are trying to sell them on craigslist
> for almost the same price new.
>
> I like your mobility kayak business idea; can't wait to see you on tv. And
> I'm always ready to soup up the chair!!!
>
> Craig
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Hip Replacement and Kayaking
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:09:12 -0700
Well... I have already thought about a holder for a (small) laptop. The GPS
would be a cinch. Lots of room for creativity here. :)


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
www.nwkayaking.net

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote:

>  Craig:
>
>     When you rebuild your workshop, perhaps you can attach flotation to a
> chair, plus cup and rod holders, bait bucket and live well, flat screen
> TV and GPS, microwave, and even navigation lights and flare launchers that
> will be visible from outer space. A man or woman has to dream big.
>
> BRC
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>:
>
>  On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM, MATT MARINER BROZE
>> <marinerkayaks_at_msn.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Craig, I'm pretty sure you could have had th taxpayers pay for at least
>>> the
>>> $3400 unit through Medicare. Maybe even a car lift system could be added.
>>> They
>>> should at leastr reimburse you for saving them about ten times as much as
>>> you
>>> actually spent.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I could have gotten Medicare to pay for most of a new
>>>
>> one... but I would have probably been out some money and possibly even
>> more
>> than I spent buying the used stuff. Somehow, to me at least, the tv ad
>> guys
>> look like crooks making a ton of money off the system.
>>
>> Then there are the families who have the chairs left behind by their
>> parents
>> who got them with Medicare help who are trying to sell them on craigslist
>> for almost the same price new.
>>
>> I like your mobility kayak business idea; can't wait to see you on tv. And
>> I'm always ready to soup up the chair!!!
>>
>> Craig
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