On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, rcc7 wrote: >> What else new can you add >>about Winter paddling? In anticipation of your complete cooperation, >>Thank you, Richard >> winter paddling is cold. serious cold. add water, and a little wind, and wind chills become phenomonal. add a couple miles, or even a half mile crossing to "home" and it can be misery. as richard's repost of the skier article shows. i've seen debates between wet suit and drysuit, with folks asking, which is better. it isn't quite that simple. example: one man, in a swimsuit, put on a drysuit over it second man, in a swimsuit, put on a wetsuit over it they paddle out 1/2 mile, the water is 40oF [8oC?] all other things equal, they lose thir boat. who stands the best chance of survival?? answer in a later post, let's see some discussion now!! mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Feb 20, 11:08, Mark Zen wrote: > example: > one man, in a swimsuit, put on a drysuit over it > second man, in a swimsuit, put on a wetsuit over it > they paddle out 1/2 mile, the water is 40oF [8oC?] > all other things equal, they lose thir boat. who > stands the best chance of survival?? OK. I'm at best a novice paddler, but used to sail small sailboats in winter and am an active SCUBA diver (though not much cold water activity). I'll assume that "survival" means doing the 1/2 mile (1 km) swim back to shore. Just saying "wetsuit" and "drysuit" doesn't provide enough information. There's a tremendous insulation (and flotation) difference between 2mm and 7mm wetsuits; there are corresponding differences between shell, neoprene, and compressed neoprene drysuits. However the neoprene drysuits are generally only used by divers, so I'll assume a shell type drysuit. Further, I'll stipulate a 5mm wetsuit. That's thin enough that you can still have reasonable motion (divers generally move slowly underwater and commonly use up to 7mm suits), but thick enough to provide reasonable insulation in the case of immersion. You've stipulated the subject has no insulating layer other than their outer layer. While that's normal for a wetsuit, it isn't for a drysuit. In the absence of that layer, the shell drysuit isn't going to provide much thermal protection in the case of immersion. As stated, the wetsuit swimmer is probably better off. Now, if our drysuit paddler is wearing some fleece underwear, or if the wetsuit is a 2mm splash suit with lycra side panels, this conclusion could change. Either wet- or dry- suits, selected and worn appropriately, could provide survival in this situation. If I *knew* I would be taking a half mile swim in 40F water, I'd select a drysuit with appropriate underwear. That combination could keep me comfortable for hours. On the other hand, I've worn 1/4" (6mm) wetsuits in water well under 40F (winter ocean dives off Massachusetts) and been safe and reasonably comfortable for an hour or two in the water. Oh yes, we'd swim a lot further than a 1/2 mile in that time, but with fins. mike -- Mike Fischbein mike.fischbein_at_csfb.com Credit Suisse First Boston, 11 Madison Avenue, NY, NY Any opinions expressed are mine only, and not necessarily those of any other entity. They may not even be mine. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
You're a sick, sick man... > From: mike.fischbein_at_csfb.com (Mike Fischbein) > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:40:10 -0500 > Reply-to: mike.fischbein_at_csfb.com > To: canoeist_at_netbox.com, paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] winter paddling > Cc: nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org > for hours. On the other hand, I've worn 1/4" (6mm) > wetsuits in water well under 40F (winter ocean dives > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 09:00 AM 2/20/98 -0700, Mark Zen wrote: >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, rcc7 wrote: > > >>> What else new can you add >>>about Winter paddling? In anticipation of your complete cooperation, >>>Thank you, Richard >>> In the winter we some times have to put on long sleeve shirts, most of the time just wearing a shirt is enough. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
What, no shorts? > From: dldecker_at_mediaone.net > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:56:28 -0500 > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] winter paddling > Cc: nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org > At 09:00 AM 2/20/98 -0700, Mark Zen wrote: > >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, rcc7 wrote: > > > > > >>> What else new can you add > >>>about Winter paddling? In anticipation of your complete cooperation, > >>>Thank you, Richard > >>> > > In the winter we some times have to put on long sleeve shirts, > most of the time just wearing a shirt is enough. > > Dana > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > *************************************************************************** > ********************************************************************** Bradford R. Crain E-mail: brad_at_mth.pdx.edu Dept. of Mathematics Phone: (503) 725-3127 Portland State Univ. FAX: (503) 725-3661 P.O. Box 751 Portland, Or. 97207 ********************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 03:09 PM 2/20/98 +0000, BRADFORD R. CRAIN wrote: > What, no shorts? > >> From: dldecker_at_mediaone.net >> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:56:28 -0500 >> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] winter paddling >> Cc: nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org > >> At 09:00 AM 2/20/98 -0700, Mark Zen wrote: >> >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, rcc7 wrote: >> > >> > >> >>> What else new can you add >> >>>about Winter paddling? In anticipation of your complete cooperation, >> >>>Thank you, Richard >> >>> >> >> In the winter we some times have to put on long sleeve shirts, >> most of the time just wearing a shirt is enough. >> >> Dana We are not savages down here, some time we wear shorts , some times not. Figure that one out!! Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > At 03:09 PM 2/20/98 +0000, BRADFORD R. CRAIN wrote: > > What, no shorts? > > > We are not savages down here, some time we wear shorts , some times not. > Figure that one out!! > > Dana > I think kayakers lead wonderfully fulfilling lives. In fact, just last week a good friend of mine tried to convince me that one of the best thing about kayaking is the amount of time that we all spend naked together. She was wearing clothes at the time, but I have to admit of being convinced anyway. Although maybe a little too easily... /--------------------------------------------\ /---------------------------\ |Something there is that doesn't love a wall | Kevin Whilden | |That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it | kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu | |And spills the upper boulders in the sun | Dept. of Geologic Science | |And makes gaps that even two can pass abreast| University of Washington | | -- Robert Frost |(206)543-1975(w) 632-5140(h)| \--------------------------------------------/ \---------------------------/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, K. Whilden wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > > > At 03:09 PM 2/20/98 +0000, BRADFORD R. CRAIN wrote: > > > What, no shorts? > > > > > We are not savages down here, some time we wear shorts , some times not. > > Figure that one out!! > > > > Dana > > > > I think kayakers lead wonderfully fulfilling lives. In fact, just last > week a good friend of mine tried to convince me that one of the best thing > about kayaking is the amount of time that we all spend naked together. She > was wearing clothes at the time, but I have to admit of being convinced > anyway. Although maybe a little too easily... > GOOD POINT FROM HER! Last summer was great fun, we spent lots of time with my girlfriend in a beutiful island (about 1 km long, 200 metres wide) skinny dipping and playing Adam & Eve daily. Fortunately, not very many fishers around.. ;-) Cheers, Ari *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
A drysuit will keep you dry, not warm. You must have some sort of thermal undergarment to provide the warmth. So the answer to your *tricky* question is (drumrrrroll): The wetsuit. However, if you allow the drysuit wearer to use it the way it is intended, with a proper undergarment, the answer is different. >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\< Clear Cold Windy Southern California Mark Zen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, rcc7 wrote: > > <snip> > one man, in a swimsuit, put on a drysuit over it > second man, in a swimsuit, put on a wetsuit over it > > they paddle out 1/2 mile, the water is 40oF [8oC?] > all other things equal, they lose thir boat. who stands the best chance of > survival?? > > answer in a later post, let's see some discussion now!! > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
From: Mark Zen i've seen debates between wet suit and drysuit, with folks asking, which is better. it isn't quite that simple. =================== i have been diving in a farmer john bottom and vest wet suit in 43 deg water and my experience was that very shortly my left arm quit functioning (no problem), then my left leg quit working... i decided to returned to the boat while i still had something functioning. i have felt the coldness of 40 degree water against unprotected skin in a drysuit. thanks for asking, but neither of those choices is for me. bye bye bliven *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
>In the winter we some times have to put on long sleeve shirts, >most of the time just wearing a shirt is enough. > >Dana I was in Florida once, several years ago. I left on Christmas Day, with everything covered in ice, some snow on the palm trees, and radio reports of _many_ road closures. It was warmer farther north. Bruce Winterbon bwinterb_at_intranet.ca http://intranet.ca:80/~bwinterb The government measures the health of the economy by how fast the rich get richer. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 08:09 AM 2/21/98 -0500, Bruce Winterbon wrote: >>In the winter we some times have to put on long sleeve shirts, >>most of the time just wearing a shirt is enough. >> >>Dana > >I was in Florida once, several years ago. I left on Christmas Day, with >everything covered in ice, some snow on the palm trees, and radio reports of >_many_ road closures. It was warmer farther north. > >Bruce Winterbon >bwinterb_at_intranet.ca >http://intranet.ca:80/~bwinterb > Nobody is perfect , but we are as close as it gets, ha ha Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Florida is a bing state and quite frankly, and area that gets snow is florida, as opposed to Florida. In my opinion, nothing north of Jupiter is Florida or if you can't see the Gulf Stream from the beach.... cya > I was in Florida once, several years ago. I left on Christmas Day, with > everything covered in ice, some snow on the palm trees, and radio reports of > _many_ road closures. It was warmer farther north. > > Bruce Winterbon > bwinterb_at_intranet.ca > http://intranet.ca:80/~bwinterb > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In Florida we speak only English, do they speak that where you live Bob? Dana At 08:50 AM 2/23/98 -5, Bob Denton wrote: >Florida is a bing state and quite frankly, and area that gets snow is > florida, as opposed to Florida. > >In my opinion, nothing north of Jupiter is Florida or if you can't >see the Gulf Stream from the beach.... > >cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Uh....I was hoping no one would call me to task for that message.... I can only blame it on copious amounts of Guinness consumed at Waxy O'Conners last night.... My grasp of the English language seems to be returning...and I may even be able to open my eyes soon... > In Florida we speak only English, do they speak that where you live Bob? > > Dana > > > At 08:50 AM 2/23/98 -5, Bob Denton wrote: > >Florida is a bing state and quite frankly, and area that gets snow is > > florida, as opposed to Florida. > > > >In my opinion, nothing north of Jupiter is Florida or if you can't > >see the Gulf Stream from the beach.... > > > >cya > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** > > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ari wrote; > > > GOOD POINT FROM HER! Last summer was great fun, we spent lots of time > with my girlfriend in a beutiful island (about 1 km long, 200 metres wide) > skinny dipping and playing Adam & Eve daily. Fortunately, not very many > fishers around.. ;-) Reminds me of one of my favorite Canadian skinny dipping stories (my doctor swears it is true but then he is a doctor). He was working in emergency in Wawa, Ontario when a patient was brought in who had been skinny dipping. His manhood had been assaulted by a Pike with devastating results. My doctor no longer skinny dips (something he used to do a lot of). Neither do I. Do all my Adam and Eve stuff on shore now. Cheers John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
WELL! We did find jaws of a pike from the shore.. the backbone (or what ever you call it there) was as thick as my thumb (not one of the smalles..) and the JAWS were about four inches wide. Tooth were something to look at - that did make us a little less willing to go naked to the sea... A true story, cheers, Ari *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At least you don't have Barracuda to deal with... You don't find many of the pierced crowd skinny dipping in the keys heh heh.. cya Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
John Winters wrote: --snip-- > He was working in emergency in Wawa, Ontario when a patient was > brought in > who had been skinny dipping. His manhood had been assaulted by a Pike > with > devastating results. --snip-- Saw a fellow get his toe nipped while bathing after the Thunderhouse Falls portage. Richard Culpeper www.geocities.com/~culpeper *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 08:09 AM 2/21/98 -0500, Bruce Winterbon wrote: >>Dana > >I was in Florida once, several years ago. I left on Christmas Day, with >everything covered in ice, some snow on the palm trees, and radio reports of >_many_ road closures. It was warmer farther north. I remember a story on the radi about the annual city Mayor's convention several years back (15-20 years?), held during the winter, was in Miami that year. Terrible weather, freezing temps and blustery winds. Just for the heck of it the Mayor of Anchorage called home, got the weather and told everyone, "Hey -- 50 degrees and sunny in Anchorage if we want to move this thing up there!" Personally, I'm looking for the place with the weather conditions that both Florida and California claim (but neither has). I stole that line, anyone know who from? Hank Hays *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Well Saturday was 82F with blue skys and a 10 knot breeze. I paddled 15 miles or so in 74F water... Only problem is that I got a little too much sun.... So Hank...what was your weekend like? > Personally, I'm looking for the place with the weather conditions that both > Florida and California claim (but neither has). I stole that line, anyone > know who from? > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>John Winters wrote: >--snip-- > >> He was working in emergency in Wawa, Ontario when a patient was >> brought in >> who had been skinny dipping. His manhood had been assaulted by a Pike >> with >> devastating results. Gives a different connotation to the word "codpiece". Bruce Winterbon bwinterb_at_intranet.ca http://intranet.ca:80/~bwinterb All states have laws to protect the rich from the poor. Few attempt the more difficult task of protecting the poor from the rich. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
i agree with Dana---that would have probably been in '89- not bad --it aint been like that since!!!- happy paddling ---Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 10:14 PM 2/21/98 EST, BearWalk99_at_aol.com wrote: >i agree with Dana---that would have probably been in '89- not bad --it aint >been like that since!!!- >happy paddling ---Steve Besides it was Christmas for gosh sakes we got the spirit too, a little snow at Xmas once every 25 or so years ain't bad, cause were good. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
Bruce wrote; >>> He was working in emergency in Wawa, Ontario when a patient was >>> brought in >>> who had been skinny dipping. His manhood had been assaulted by a Pike >>> with >>> devastating results. > >Gives a different connotation to the word "codpiece". > Do you think that is why they wore them - thy all went skinny dipping and needed protection. On the other hand, maybe they couldn't swim very well. Since cod are bottom feeders they would need a codpiece instead of a pikepiece. Cheers John - who is trying to set up a new computer and hasn't gotten aound to putting the signature in yet. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net ***************************************************************************
At 04:34 PM 2/20/98 -0800, Chris Hardenbrook wrote: >A drysuit will keep you dry, not warm... > > >///:>Chris Hardenbrook<:\\\< > Clear Cold Windy Southern California > Nice signature line, Chris. From what I've been seeing on the news, it should read: Clear Cold Windy WET Southern California Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Bob, >Well Saturday was 82F with blue skys and a 10 knot breeze. I paddled >15 miles or so in 74F water... Only problem is that I got a little >too much sun.... > >So Hank...what was your weekend like? > >> Personally, I'm looking for the place with the weather conditions that both >> Florida and California claim (but neither has). I stole that line, anyone >> know who from? No melanoma problems here at this time of year. The rivers have good water in them, though -- the reason I moved here (and I ain't tellin' any more!). Florida wasn't even on my list of states to consider as new places to live <grin>. Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Well there's not much white water here in S. Florida...not even much surf at the beach... I've lived on 3 continents and dozens of different cities, and no place is perfect. If the wether is good, then it's too crowded or expensive... if it's not crowded, it gets boring... So far FL seems to have the best of most worlds...lots of warm water for diving and paddling, no shortage of entertainment and music and reasonable housing and bearable traffic... cya > No melanoma problems here at this time of year. The rivers have good water > in them, though -- the reason I moved here (and I ain't tellin' any more!). > Florida wasn't even on my list of states to consider as new places to live > <grin>. > > Hank > Bob Denton Vice President Undersea Breathing Systems bob_at_dnax.com http://www.dnax.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> Florida wasn't even on my list of states to consider as new places to live ><grin>. > >Hank I wish everybody had this feeling of Florida. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:27 PM 2/23/98 -0500, dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > >> Florida wasn't even on my list of states to consider as new places to live >><grin>. >> >>Hank > > >I wish everybody had this feeling of Florida. > >Dana Now that I live her in Oregon (from Chicago), I feel the same way about this place. It rains a lot here yuh know. And it's cold, and the indians shoot arrows at you, and I have to send this e-mail by pony express to Denver before it hits the internet....<grin> Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hank Hays wrote: > > At 12:27 PM 2/23/98 -0500, dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > > > >> Florida wasn't even on my list of states to consider as new places to live > >><grin>. > >> > >>Hank > > > > > >I wish everybody had this feeling of Florida. > > > >Dana > > Now that I live her in Oregon (from Chicago), I feel the same way about > this place. It rains a lot here yuh know. And it's cold, and the indians > shoot arrows at you, and I have to send this e-mail by pony express to > Denver before it hits the internet....<grin> > > Hank > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** Out here in North Plains, OR, we gotta put fertilizer around the phone poles or our modems slow down to 600 bps. Sure glad the weather returned to normal (rain). I was feeling a lot of guilt anxiety after TWO sunny days IN A ROW. Roger *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:20 AM 2/25/98 -0800, Roger Korn wrote: >Hank Hays wrote: >> Now that I live here in Oregon (from Chicago), I feel the same way about >> this place. It rains a lot here yuh know. And it's cold, and the indians >> shoot arrows at you, and I have to send this e-mail by pony express to >> Denver before it hits the internet....<grin> >Out here in North Plains, OR, we gotta put fertilizer around the phone >poles or our modems slow down to 600 bps. Sure glad the weather returned >to normal (rain). I was feeling a lot of guilt anxiety after TWO sunny >days IN A ROW. Roger, you are from Oregon and might know this, but others won't. You know they have a special term here for when it rains two days in a row? Call it a "weekend" There is a bit of truth in the saying, "Oregonians don't tan, they rust." Hank By the way, you're not supposed to tell them there's internet access here! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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