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From: <WILAX_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling - knife
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:14:25 EDT
Well, since Paul's post and my query I have not seen one truely negative post
regarding solo paddling.  Sounds like there is agreement that if you truely
prepare, honestly asscess your skills and reherse you can give yourself as
good or better odds than if you were in a group.  Especially if you are in a
group of unknowns.

The day after Pauls post, believe it or not, I took a long look at my boat and
the equipment.  I go out every evening, solo, but skipped one.  I stripped the
boat and resecured everything.  Gave better thought to some things, remembered
where things were, read labels on flares etc.  It was a pretty good exercise.
Actually, I took the boat out later with the intent of practicing rolls and
wet exit stuff with the gear in the new configuration but the lions-main
jellyfish were everywhere!

Quick question... I usually keep a diving knife strapped to my leg.  It is in
a hard sheath and there is very little chance it can hurt me if I get curled
somehow.  The bad thing is you can't get to it without taking the skirt off.
What is good stuff that has a hard sheath that can attach to a PFD?  Fixed
blade only, nobody has time to fiddle with a folding knife.

TM  
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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling - knife
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:19:29 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-09 10:44:05 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com writes:

<< I usually keep a diving knife strapped to my leg.  It is in
 a hard sheath and there is very little chance it can hurt me if I get curled
 somehow.  The bad thing is you can't get to it without taking the skirt off.
 What is good stuff that has a hard sheath that can attach to a PFD?  >>

There was a long thread on knives on PaddleWise a while back --- there are
archives, but I'm too computer-challenged to tell you how to access them.

Colorado Kayak has a lot of the models discussed.  Haven't checked their web
site <www.coloradokayakusa.com> lately, but it's a good place to start.  As I
recall, there was a lot of support for the Gerber River Shorty and some
interest in the Guide's Safety Knife (a take-off on a marinized shroud cutter
from the aviator and sky-diver communities).  The latter does not have a hard
case, but can be fit into flat voids in a PFD zipper.

Jack Martin
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From: Wynne Eden <graymare_at_sowega.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Knives for PFD attachment
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:56:42 -0400
At 11:19 AM 7/9/98 EDT, JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-09 10:44:05 EDT, WILAX_at_aol.com writes:
>
><< I usually keep a diving knife strapped to my leg.  It is in
> a hard sheath and there is very little chance it can hurt me if I get curled
> somehow.  The bad thing is you can't get to it without taking the skirt off.
> What is good stuff that has a hard sheath that can attach to a PFD?  >>
>
>There was a long thread on knives on PaddleWise a while back --- there are
>archives, but I'm too computer-challenged to tell you how to access them.
>
>Colorado Kayak has a lot of the models discussed.  Haven't checked their web
>site <www.coloradokayakusa.com> lately, but it's a good place to start.  As I
>recall, there was a lot of support for the Gerber River Shorty and some
>interest in the Guide's Safety Knife (a take-off on a marinized shroud cutter
>from the aviator and sky-diver communities).  The latter does not have a hard
>case, but can be fit into flat voids in a PFD zipper.

Check the plastic sheat carefully.  Some (Schrade's river knife for
example) are difficult to release with non-gloved hands, impossible with
neoprene on your fingers.  The blunt-ended River Shorty is a good knife.  I
can't remember much about the sheath though.  I use the smallish folding
Schrade Cliphanger.  It must not be too tough to open in a scrape--many of
the Army's Rangers are carrying them as backups.  You just clip it on.  I
use a small bungee so I can get about a 2' range with it still attached.

Wynne
Americus, GA
USA

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From: Geo. Bergeron <heritage_at_europa.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Knives for PFD attachment
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:46:08 -0700
At 11:56 PM 7/9/98 -0400, you wrote:

(coupage majeure)

 The blunt-ended River Shorty is a good knife.  I
>can't remember much about the sheath though. 

(encore de coupage) 

>Wynne
>Americus, GA
>USA
>
	The River Shorty sheath is space age plastic and indestructo. It has a
clip that hangs it upside down from the "gear patch" on the PFD. The clip
is slightly larger than the standard gear pacth slot. Forcing the clip into
the slot ensures a secure fit. There are "buttons" on the back of the
sheath that allow fastening through fabric--the sheath on the outside of
the fabric, the buttons being jammed into the sheath from the other side of
the fabric. This mount probably stretches the fabric but does not put a
hole through it. 

	The tip of the sheath features a fairly large, solid "loop" which allows
for a lanyard. There's enough space in the loop to pass the loose length of
the lanyard so that the line is secure and not dangling loose, yet ready
with just a firm pull. The handle of the knife features a large opening for
the lanyard. (I secure the knife with a bowline loop passed through the
handle in a double half-hitch to allow the knife to be freed from the
lanyard for slicing bagels and cheese.) 

	Finally, the knife secures in the sheath by a triple detent of notches on
both sides of the handle. It takes three "clicks" to pull the knife free
from the sheath--secure, but nonetheless ready for an emergency, no clumsy
snaps. 

	The blade is heavy with a thick "rib" down the centerline. It's a serrated
blade which is prefered for cutting lines, fiberglass, roto-molded plastic,
neoprene . . . The tip tapers symetrically to a blunt end which would work
as a flat tip screwdriver. The handle is space age plastic and ribbed for a
good grip. One large rib on the "sharp side" makes it easy to orient the
knife blade even through heavy gloves. 

	

______________________________
George Bergeron, Secretary '99
Oswego Heritage Council
www.europa.com/~heritage/
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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Knives for PFD attachment
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:54:54 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-10 04:08:15 EDT, heritage_at_europa.com writes:

<< 	The River Shorty sheath is space age plastic and indestructo. It has a
 clip that hangs it upside down from the "gear patch" on the PFD. The clip
 is slightly larger than the standard gear pacth slot. Forcing the clip into
 the slot ensures a secure fit. >>

Have used the Gerber River Shorty in very much the same way George describes
--- mounted pendularly --- for about five years.  It's an excellent knife, and
I still have the original.

Having said that, I believe Gerber recommends against mounting the River
Shorty in this manner because, unlike the Kershaw SeaHunter which Larry
Pfisterer described, the Shorty does not have a positive mechanical click
release button; it does ratchet in the way George describes, but it's not the
same as having a clean, mechanical release mechnism that some knives have.
But, having said <that>, both George and I --- along with a lot of ww and sea
kayakers who I've seen --- do mount the Shorty in a pendular manner and seem
to get away with it.  The Shorty is excellent, but, if I were doing it over,
I'd look hard at the SeaHunter or another mechanical release knife.

Jack Martin
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From: Larry Pfisterer <lpfist_at_ibm.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Knives for PFD attachment
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:25:16 -0700
When I went looking for a knife, I had the River Shorty in mind, as I've
been a fan of the Gerber LST 3" folder for years.  When I went to one of
the big Seattle paddling shops for the Shorty, the guy there told me
they'd had a number of customer complaints of the knife coming out of
the sheath and flailing around at the end of a lanyard or being lost.
One customer had bought three.  Talk about the triumph of hope versus
experience!  

Larry

JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote:

<George's comments SNIPPED>

> 
> Have used the Gerber River Shorty in very much the same way George describes
> --- mounted pendularly --- for about five years.  It's an excellent knife, and
> I still have the original.
> 
> Having said that, I believe Gerber recommends against mounting the River
> Shorty in this manner because, unlike the Kershaw SeaHunter which Larry
> Pfisterer described, the Shorty does not have a positive mechanical click
> release button; it does ratchet in the way George describes, but it's not the
> same as having a clean, mechanical release mechnism that some knives have.
>
<Remainder snipped>
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_sympatico.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling - knife
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:05:02 -0400
I've been using the same Techna in its sheath on my pfd for over a decade.  No
problems so far, even though it has had some interesting experiences.

Richard

WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:
--snip--

> What is good stuff that has a hard sheath that can attach to a PFD?  Fixed
> blade only, nobody has time to fiddle with a folding knife.
>
> TM



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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling - knife
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:53:43 -0400
WILAX_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> Quick question... I usually keep a diving knife strapped to my leg.  It is in
> a hard sheath and there is very little chance it can hurt me if I get curled
> somehow.  The bad thing is you can't get to it without taking the skirt off.
> What is good stuff that has a hard sheath that can attach to a PFD?  Fixed
> blade only, nobody has time to fiddle with a folding knife.

I wear a Spyderco folding rescue knife in a plastic slip case on the
lashtab of my PFD. It slides out and can be opened easily with one
gloved hand, which I proved Saturday when I got tangled in some
discarded 30# fishing line (Arrgh!) near the shore. I can get it out and
open as quick as any fixed blade knife I've ever owned. Lots of places
sell this knife, but I've only seen the case at NOC.

Steve
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From: Larry Pfisterer <lpfist_at_ibm.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Solo Paddling - knife
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:01:45 -0700
I've been very pleased with the Kershaw SeaHunter, model 1008BL-P
(diver's type).  It has a 4 inch blunt chisel tip, one edge regular
blade and other edge is about 2/3 serrated with regular edge nearest the
tip.  The handle has a rough rubber covering.  It has a hard plastic
sheath with a large push button to release the blade.  The sheath has
attachment loops on the back that are spaced just right to fit on the
side straps of my Lola.  You have to drill a hole in the plastic portion
of the handle to attach a lanyard.  They also sell sharp pointed double
edge replacement blades that are interchangable with the blunt tip
blade. If you can't locate it, let me know.  A guy I work with runs a
mail order knife and martial arts business.  

Larry Pfisterer
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