I think the parameters for a "Florida" tent are as follows: 1.Self Supporting for use on beaches and Chickee Platforms 2.Light or silver colored Polyester fly for sun protection and minimize heat buildup. 3. Lots of no-see-um mesh for Ventilation 4. Fastex buckles for the Fly for fast removal and attachment 5. "Eaves" above the doors and windows to permit cross ventilation during rain 6. 30 square feet or better at 6 lbs. and 6" or less diameter 7. A vestibule is nice but not necessary, especially if it restricts ventilation and adds weight 8. Central Vacuum for sand removal 9. Electric Raccoon deterrent If anyone knows of a tent that meets the above criteria, please let me know. The closest is my old Domelite II but it's a bit long in the tooth and is 1/3 bigger (rolled) and a pound or so heavier then I would like. -----Original Message----- From: murpho_at_webtv.net [mailto:murpho_at_webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:36 AM To: BDenton_at_aquagulf.com Subject: RE: Small Tent: REI Nitelit Bob, I just wondered if you've considered that North Face tent which is basically all mesh - a bug protector plus a rain fly. (Sorry, I don't know the model.) I heard good things from those who used it. Seemed like enough ventilation was always the problem for me. Frank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I now bring a small nylon hammock for those occasions when I have a couple of trees available but trees=shade=bugs. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The Vortex II is sort of a 2 pole version of the Domelite II by Kelty. The Domelite is now called a Solstice and comes with glass poles, though you can get aluminum poles for an extra $90, which drops the weight to 7 lbs. and change. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Welcome back! The areas in the Glades are too humid and the sand is almost stickey so it would take some serious wind to whip it around. 15 to 20 knots doesn't begin to move the stuff off the deck. The ideal tent looks like it's going to be one of the Eureka!s cu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The new "Late Spring 99" Campmore catalog has a new tent on page 5 (Eureka Zephyr XT) which has 3'x8' (24 sq ft) plus two vestibules (additional 22 sq ft) and it's pack size is only 5.5"x12" (5#4oz). I have done 6 day trips out of my 16' Meridian Dagger which is low volume so place great emphasis on compact pack size. The longer length keeps sleeping bag from touching interior and gettting with with condensation. This tent seems to have superior venting so perhaps condensation isn't a problem. Ordered it on the spot so will try it out and give a performance report. Ken Johnson ---------- From: Bob Denton[SMTP:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:01 AM To: murpho_at_webtv.net Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Small Tent: REI Nitelit I think the parameters for a "Florida" tent are as follows: 1.Self Supporting for use on beaches and Chickee Platforms 2.Light or silver colored Polyester fly for sun protection and minimize heat buildup. 3. Lots of no-see-um mesh for Ventilation 4. Fastex buckles for the Fly for fast removal and attachment 5. "Eaves" above the doors and windows to permit cross ventilation during rain 6. 30 square feet or better at 6 lbs. and 6" or less diameter 7. A vestibule is nice but not necessary, especially if it restricts ventilation and adds weight 8. Central Vacuum for sand removal 9. Electric Raccoon deterrent If anyone knows of a tent that meets the above criteria, please let me know. The closest is my old Domelite II but it's a bit long in the tooth and is 1/3 bigger (rolled) and a pound or so heavier then I would like. -----Original Message----- From: murpho_at_webtv.net [mailto:murpho_at_webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:36 AM To: BDenton_at_aquagulf.com Subject: RE: Small Tent: REI Nitelit Bob, I just wondered if you've considered that North Face tent which is basically all mesh - a bug protector plus a rain fly. (Sorry, I don't know the model.) I heard good things from those who used it. Seemed like enough ventilation was always the problem for me. Frank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Kenneth Johnson wrote: > > The new "Late Spring 99" Campmore catalog has a new tent on page 5 (Eureka Zephyr XT) which has 3'x8' (24 sq ft) plus two vestibules (additional 22 sq ft) and it's pack size is only 5.5"x12" (5#4oz). I have done 6 day trips out of my 16' Meridian Dagger which is low volume so place great emphasis on compact pack size. The longer length keeps sleeping bag from touching interior and gettting with with condensation. This tent seems to have superior venting so perhaps condensation isn't a problem > This tent was discussed briefly before way in the beginning of this small tent string of postings. I have the basic Zephyr, which is a pound or more lighter and packs a bit smaller. If this XT is anything like the non-XT I got, then it is will have superior ventilation. An incredible amount but with the ability of buttoning up pretty well not to get too cold. For kayak camping, their virtues, in addition to small size, is their free-standing and quick setup and sit up room. One person tents do look a bit coffin like as do bivy sacks and bivy tents, but they work well for kayaking. For waiting out bad weather I also carry a tarp. A tarp also is warmer to be under even with open sides than being out in the open because of heat radiating off of you. I found that not having vestibules is okay in that everything in paddling is already in waterproof bags and so not harmed, and if I did need to cover anything my free standing tarp (the Eureka annex meant for other Eureka tents as added vestibules) works just fine. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > One person tents do look a bit coffin like as do bivy sacks and bivy tents, > but they work well for kayaking. For waiting out bad weather I also > carry a tarp. A tarp also is warmer to be under even with open sides > than being out in the open because of heat radiating off of you. Agree. The tarp is the first thing up when camp is pitched. > I found that not having vestibules is okay in that everything in paddling > is already in waterproof bags and so not harmed, and if I did need to > cover anything my free standing tarp (the Eureka annex meant for other > Eureka tents as added vestibules) works just fine. For camping in bear country (or, even raccoon country), it is important to separate the kitchen (under the tarp) from one's tent. That makes a vestibule a good thing to have for keeping muddy footwear out of downpours and outside the tent. OTOH, Arctic campers dislike vestibules because they harbour a swarm of insects at face level when you exit the tent door. A (partially open) vestibule can also allow for better ventilation of the tent -- important in the wet PNW when it rains so condensation is not a problem inside the tent. Are there bears in New York, Ralph? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > > Are there bears in New York, Ralph? Yeah, on Wall Street. Bulls too. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:49 AM 4/30/99 -0700, Dave Kruger wrote: >Are there bears in New York, Ralph? Nope, just Bares..... Oops, that's New Jersey, sorry. Hank Hays *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks. It is one of the tents I am considering. Please note that you are infected with the Happy99 virus! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Johnson [mailto:kjohnson_at_trip.net] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:42 AM To: 'Bob Denton'; murpho_at_webtv.net Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Small Tent: REI Nitelit The new "Late Spring 99" Campmore catalog has a new tent on page 5 (Eureka Zephyr XT) which has 3'x8' (24 sq ft) plus two vestibules (additional 22 sq ft) and it's pack size is only 5.5"x12" (5#4oz). I have done 6 day trips out of my 16' Meridian Dagger which is low volume so place great emphasis on compact pack size. The longer length keeps sleeping bag from touching interior and gettting with with condensation. This tent seems to have superior venting so perhaps condensation isn't a problem. Ordered it on the spot so will try it out and give a performance report. Ken Johnson ---------- From: Bob Denton[SMTP:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:01 AM To: murpho_at_webtv.net Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Small Tent: REI Nitelit I think the parameters for a "Florida" tent are as follows: 1.Self Supporting for use on beaches and Chickee Platforms 2.Light or silver colored Polyester fly for sun protection and minimize heat buildup. 3. Lots of no-see-um mesh for Ventilation 4. Fastex buckles for the Fly for fast removal and attachment 5. "Eaves" above the doors and windows to permit cross ventilation during rain 6. 30 square feet or better at 6 lbs. and 6" or less diameter 7. A vestibule is nice but not necessary, especially if it restricts ventilation and adds weight 8. Central Vacuum for sand removal 9. Electric Raccoon deterrent If anyone knows of a tent that meets the above criteria, please let me know. The closest is my old Domelite II but it's a bit long in the tooth and is 1/3 bigger (rolled) and a pound or so heavier then I would like. -----Original Message----- From: murpho_at_webtv.net [mailto:murpho_at_webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 12:36 AM To: BDenton_at_aquagulf.com Subject: RE: Small Tent: REI Nitelit Bob, I just wondered if you've considered that North Face tent which is basically all mesh - a bug protector plus a rain fly. (Sorry, I don't know the model.) I heard good things from those who used it. Seemed like enough ventilation was always the problem for me. Frank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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