Reading the description of "the trip that nobody wanted", the author, a male, describes relieving himself in a bag. While canoeing we are never too far from shore and so I am regularly able to pull over and find a place to squat. But what do the female sea kayakers do when they are on a trip and can't pull over? I remember flying around the north with bush pilots who would either pee in a baggy and drop it out the window (I know, I know, who wants to find burst baggies lying around in the wilderness, or worse still, be hit by one!) or just pee in a jar. I was so envious of them as I wiggled around in agony trying to figure out how to copy them without 1) exposing myself to a stranger, or 2) peeing all over myself or the plane. I would really like to know if any of the women on this list have come up with a workable solution to this problem since my husband is in the process of getting his pilots license and I am envisioning having to relive those old, painful, memories. Irene *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At a sea kayak symposium, it was suggested that the bottom half (or less) of empty dishwashing detergent bottle - cut and shaped to fit your anatomy - could be used in circumstances where (a) you are not using a wet or dry suit, and (b) you are wearing loose-fitting clothing -- possibly sans underwear, too. I have not yet had occasion to try this. Another option is presented at: http://www.freshette.com consisting basically of a funnel and a length of tubing which I assume you can customize. I have not yet had occasion to try this, either, but would like to know if it works reasonably well and isn't way more trouble than it's worth. Has anyone tried this type of thing? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I use the "Little Buddy" which is sold by Sportsmans Guide, I think that is their name. I can get you a number if you like. I'm sure sporting good stores have them. The "Buddy" is a red little bottle with a spout. Works for me! 8-) For women they have a "shield" that is anatomically correct and connects to the Buddy bottle. My wife refuses to contemplate such a contraption and since her kayak trips are of short duration she can escape this problem. I have used my little buddy on occasion and it sure is a relief! There is a web site, written by a women, to teach women to pee standing up. I can just imagine the faces and expressions of people reading that last line! 8-) I was tricked into viewing this site when someone said it was a must read for those men who where trying to get their SOs to go hiking, camping, etc. If someone does have a link to this site be forwarned that it is somewhat graphic. I was expecting a text list of how to get your SO outdoors, things like "Cook her gourmet food.", but instead found an interesting picture or two! 8-) This site might have other ideas but I don't have the web address.... Hope this helps.... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/28/99 11:43:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kellerin_at_ionsys.com writes: << But what do the female sea kayakers do when they are on a trip and can't pull over? >> OK, I'll bite! This is really called: When I Discovered Why Men Rule the World! I first started using The Freshette Complete System ($19.99 from Campmor - 1-800-CAMPMOR item #80969) for hiking trips. The sheer power of being able to pee standing up is why I gave this story the above title. Men don't have to squat and have their butts hanging out or, as women do, risk peeing onto your clothing as you try and aim in the approximate right direction. There I stood, behind a tree thinking "HOT DAMN!" The Freshette is a plastic pink/flesh colored semi-cup-shaped thing with a rubber retractable hose. There's a picture in the catalog. The company supplies these to women in the armed forces. My first attempt at using it in a kayak went fine - this is Florida so I usually just wear a bathing suit under my PFD - however, I learned an important lesson. Take the empty 20 oz. plastic coke bottle not the 10 oz.! Overflow, if you get the drift. Speaking of drifting, my next experience was even more amusing. I was paddling on Mud Lake with a couple of guys and found out that it was impossible to go ashore. The mud was way too thick. We, were however, able to tie up to a tree branch that was somehow sticking out in the middle of the lake. And then I needed to pee. Well, I'm casual, but I sure wasn't about to nonchalantly take out my Freshette and pee alongside these two gentlemen. With much amusement they held on to my bow line and let me drift back a bit, all the while promising not to turn around. Mission accomplished! The system does come with bags and you can get replacements. I save plastic coke bottles and can usually manage to empty them discreetly. Well, I hope you have all been educated and tickled at the same time! Sandy Kramer Miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > Speaking of drifting, my next experience was even more amusing. I was > paddling on Mud Lake with a couple of guys and found out that it was > impossible to go ashore. The mud was way too thick. We, were however, able > to tie up to a tree branch that was somehow sticking out in the middle of the > lake. And then I needed to pee. > > Well, I'm casual, but I sure wasn't about to nonchalantly take out my > Freshette and pee alongside these two gentlemen. With much amusement they > held on to my bow line and let me drift back a bit, all the while promising > not to turn around. > Mission accomplished! Back nearly 10 years ago, I participated in a local club trip circumnavigating Manhattan. I was in my brand new Klepper single. I really wanted to use it for the trip rather than go with my wife in our double as we had done previously. So Donna teamed up with a then-friend in his double Klepper, she in the front seat, he in the back one. Well, conditions got very hot, we all were drinking liquids like mad but we couldn't land for pitstops (hard to do anyway on that trip). Finally Donna just had to go bad and grabbed a bailing bucket and went. She couldn't really be seen as the Klepper had its spraydeck attached albeit not the individual sprayskirts. Some months later that friend got what I thought was arbitrarily pissed off with me (pardon the pun). The result was a major political falling out that led to a pretty devastating split in the local sea kayaking community that lingers still and really hurts the unified front we should be fostering for getting launch sites, etc. I always tell people that the reason for the whole political imbroglio was because my wife went over and peed in the guy's boat. :-) ralph ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks for the Freshette web info. I wrote my reply before reading yours. Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/28/99 2:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com writes: << The "Buddy" is a red little bottle with a spout. Works for me! 8-) For women they have a "shield" that is anatomically correct and connects to the Buddy bottle. >> Walter Drake has one like this, complete with female adapter for about $5.00. I keep one in my VW Van for quick pees. I think that this would not work for peeing in a yak because it's fairly large you have to raise yourself and will probably tip, so you'd be just fine peeing in the water before you attempt the re-entry! Sandy Kramer Miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
|I think that this would not work for peeing in a yak because it's fairly |large you have to raise yourself and will probably tip, so you'd be just fine |peeing in the water before you attempt the re-entry! |Sandy Kramer |Miami It works for me but it ain't perfect. The seat in my Looksha IV is low and angled enough so that you have to hmmm, errrrr, well, adjust oneself in various ways to take advantage of your Buddy. 8-) I think this would be worse for the girls as compared with the boys! But I have not found a better way to solve the problem short of getting out of the boat. This is an area where the open boaters have an advantage. I'll try to find the catalog tonight. I know I just threw out the last one they sent but I should have old copies around. The advantages of a pack rat... Later... Dan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> ---------- > From: Anne Burton[SMTP:aburton1_at_maine.rr.com] > > Another option is presented at: http://www.freshette.com > consisting basically of a funnel and a length of tubing which I > assume you can customize. I have not yet had occasion to try > this, either, but would like to know if it works reasonably well > and isn't way more trouble than it's worth. Has anyone tried > this type of thing? > ******* NOTICE: The following is moderately graphic ********************* Yes, I previously have owned and operated a freshette & buddy system. Note that I phrased this in the past tense! It is something that takes a considerable amount of practice. It is somewhat possible but not with any degree of comfort or cleanliness. It definately requires rafting up (with a close friend), popping the skirt, lifting the hips enough to drop your drawers (dropping them far enough to position the equipment), scooting the hips to the edge of the seat so the funnel can be positioned (it basically points down), positioning the funnel, hose (the hose can only be bent to a certain degree before the apparatise begins to leak significantly at the top) and bottle (all 3 have to pretty much be held or braced through the process), relaxing enough to do it and then performing the reverse of all of the above. Needless to say, if you are in need of immediate relief, this is not the process for you. One of these days I hope to get the courage to try a diaper although I can't imagine sitting in it for the rest of the day. Has anyone tried this (and is willing to admit it?)? Debbie Reeves Sandy Hook, NJ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ok, I confess, my purient interests were peeked by the post that set this whole thing off, and I went to Yahoo and searched on "pee standing up" and found a hit! http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html However, contrary to the original post'er's comments it is not all that graphic and is mostly text. :-) Milo Poughkeepsie, NY *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I bought a Freshette. Tried it once on a hike didn't like it. Now it's in my earthquarke preparedness kit. (Yep, I'm prepared!) I almost always wear a wetsuit when I paddle. What I've done a few times when desperate is raft up with a friend, hop out of the boat and pee while floating. I kick a bit to get the water flushing up a little into the wetsuit. Then I rinse out the wetsuit especially well when I get home, or to shore. I wouldn't try this method in a shallow muddy area. Barbara At 07:27 PM 7/28/99 -0400, Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote: >> ---------- >> From: Anne Burton[SMTP:aburton1_at_maine.rr.com] >> >> Another option is presented at: http://www.freshette.com >> consisting basically of a funnel and a length of tubing which I >> assume you can customize. I have not yet had occasion to try >> this, either, but would like to know if it works reasonably well >> and isn't way more trouble than it's worth. Has anyone tried >> this type of thing? >> >******* NOTICE: The following is moderately graphic ********************* > > Yes, I previously have owned and operated a freshette & buddy >system. Note that I phrased this in the past tense! It is something that >takes a considerable amount of practice. It is somewhat possible but not >with any degree of comfort or cleanliness. It definately requires rafting >up (with a close friend), popping the skirt, lifting the hips enough to drop >your drawers (dropping them far enough to position the equipment), scooting >the hips to the edge of the seat so the funnel can be positioned (it >basically points down), positioning the funnel, hose (the hose can only be >bent to a certain degree before the apparatise begins to leak significantly >at the top) and bottle (all 3 have to pretty much be held or braced through >the process), relaxing enough to do it and then performing the reverse of >all of the above. Needless to say, if you are in need of immediate relief, >this is not the process for you. > > One of these days I hope to get the courage to try a diaper although >I can't imagine sitting in it for the rest of the day. Has anyone tried >this (and is willing to admit it?)? > > Debbie Reeves > Sandy Hook, NJ > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > Sea Kayak Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 bkossy_at_igc.org *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Reeves, Debbie (Debbie)" wrote: > > One of these days I hope to get the courage to try a diaper although > I can't imagine sitting in it for the rest of the day. Has anyone tried > this (and is willing to admit it?)? > > Debbie Reeves > Sandy Hook, NJ > I have a friend who works in a nursing home. She told me that the "adult diapers" are designed to hold occasional leakage and could not hold enough volume to be a real alternative. Yes, we get into some odd discussions on occasion. Mike -- Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space. Mark H Hunt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
With the invention of the NRS Expedition Jane wetsuit and the female relief zip, you no longer have to depant yourself. Just unzip and scoot forward a bit... An alternative to rafting up would be to use a paddle float outrigger. I'm sure you'd only use that if you were alone... I mean, if you're gonna attract attention to yourself, might as well ask someone to hold your boat while you go pee and save yourself the trouble. Women can also take advantage of the drysuit relief zip (Kokatat makes one that you can have installed as an option). One of the female WW kayak instructors I know was giving a class on the river when they stopped for lunch. She went into the bushes and while standing up released her relief zipper and used the freshette to relieve herself. During her pee, a male student walked up from behind and witnessed this event -- but, of course, he couldn't see the tool. He freaked out and wouldn't look at her the duration of the class. --Shoni >>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:27:16 -0400 >>From: "Reeves, Debbie (Debbie)" <dreeves_at_lucent.com> >>It definately requires rafting up (with a close friend), popping the skirt, lifting the hips enough to drop your drawers (dropping them far enough to position the equipment), scooting the hips to the edge of the seat so the funnel can be positioned (it basically points down)...<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: Shoni Blue > She went into the bushes and while standing up released her relief > zipper and used the freshette to relieve herself. During her pee, a male > student walked up from behind and witnessed this event -- but, of course, he > couldn't see the tool. He freaked out and wouldn't look at her the duration > of the class. > > --Shoni > Although we've been married for almost 30 yrs, and she has used a freshette for the past few years,,,, i still freak out when i see her in that mode.... in fact, i'm concerned that no one else sees and thinks who knows what :) ... some things just take awhile for me to understand. better to watch for birds. cu, bliven *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/28/99 8:59:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes: << Donna just had to go bad and grabbed a bailing bucket and went. >> I'm having a hard time visualizing peeing into a wide-mouthed bucked in a kayak and getting any of it to stay in the bucket; however, I'm not about to try it either! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi y'all- Now that we're on the subject which occupies some of any lady kayaker's concern, maybe the doctors in the audience (we know you're out there) can comment on the feasibility of a catheter for longer trips? Slainte - e Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I wondered if anyone was going to bring up the Eric Soures method. He spoke of the problem in an Ocean rock garden kayaking lecture at a symposium. He said "All my friends are holding their knees together, but I'm Portuguese, I just go in my wetsuit." It should be noted he mostly paddles sit-on-top kayaks. Now I understand "scupper holes". ;-) Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Kossy <bkossy_at_igc.org> To: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <dreeves_at_lucent.com>; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] The call of nature? >I bought a Freshette. Tried it once on a hike didn't like it. Now it's in >my earthquarke preparedness kit. (Yep, I'm prepared!) I almost always wear >a wetsuit when I paddle. What I've done a few times when desperate is raft >up with a friend, hop out of the boat and pee while floating. I kick a bit >to get the water flushing up a little into the wetsuit. Then I rinse out >the wetsuit especially well when I get home, or to shore. I wouldn't try >this method in a shallow muddy area. > >Barbara > > > >At 07:27 PM 7/28/99 -0400, Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote: >>> ---------- >>> From: Anne Burton[SMTP:aburton1_at_maine.rr.com] >>> >>> Another option is presented at: http://www.freshette.com >>> consisting basically of a funnel and a length of tubing which I >>> assume you can customize. I have not yet had occasion to try >>> this, either, but would like to know if it works reasonably well >>> and isn't way more trouble than it's worth. Has anyone tried >>> this type of thing? >>> >>******* NOTICE: The following is moderately graphic ********************* >> >> Yes, I previously have owned and operated a freshette & buddy >>system. Note that I phrased this in the past tense! It is something that >>takes a considerable amount of practice. It is somewhat possible but not >>with any degree of comfort or cleanliness. It definately requires rafting >>up (with a close friend), popping the skirt, lifting the hips enough to drop >>your drawers (dropping them far enough to position the equipment), scooting >>the hips to the edge of the seat so the funnel can be positioned (it >>basically points down), positioning the funnel, hose (the hose can only be >>bent to a certain degree before the apparatise begins to leak significantly >>at the top) and bottle (all 3 have to pretty much be held or braced through >>the process), relaxing enough to do it and then performing the reverse of >>all of the above. Needless to say, if you are in need of immediate relief, >>this is not the process for you. >> >> One of these days I hope to get the courage to try a diaper although >>I can't imagine sitting in it for the rest of the day. Has anyone tried >>this (and is willing to admit it?)? >> >> Debbie Reeves >> Sandy Hook, NJ >> >> >>************************************************************************** * >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >>************************************************************************** * >> >> >Sea Kayak Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com >tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 >bkossy_at_igc.org > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Many years back I was day paddling around Vancouver's beaches, when I was accosted by a woman in a patchwork "kayak of many colours" (they'd obviously seen her coming at Honest John's Really Used Kayaks). She'd basically led a city and sedentary life until a month or so before, when she'd been struck by some sort of epiphany, and had quit her job to set out on a Great Adventure And Journey Of Self Discovery (and good for her!) She'd noticed me practising my roll and had decided Providence had sent me as a kayak guru. We talked, and I tried to give her the Reader's Digest version of kayak touring. Eventually she broached the topic of peeing at sea. Never able to resist cracking a bad joke, I said "Well, of course for we men, it's no problem - we simply pop the sprayskirt and dangle "it" over the side." "Yes" she replied, perfectly seriously, "but what do women do?" To this day I'm still trying to figure out whether she: A) was the world's greatest Poker player. B) had no experience of men whatever. C) had experience only of truly remarkable men. Philip Torrens N49°16' W123°06' >From: Kellerin <kellerin_at_ionsys.com> >Reading the description of "the trip that nobody wanted", the author, a >male, describes relieving himself in a bag. While canoeing we are never >too far from shore and so I am regularly able to pull over and find a >place to squat. But what do the female sea kayakers do when they are on >a trip and can't pull over? I remember flying around the north with bush >pilots who would either pee in a baggy and drop it out the window (I >know, I know, who wants to find burst baggies lying around in the >wilderness, or worse still, be hit by one!) or just pee in a jar. I was >so envious of them as I wiggled around in agony trying to figure out how >to copy them without 1) exposing myself to a stranger, or 2) peeing all >over myself or the plane. I would really like to know if any of the >women on this list have come up with a workable solution to this problem >since my husband is in the process of getting his pilots license and I >am envisioning having to relive those old, painful, memories. >Irene *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was talking with the owner of the Freshette Co. several years ago and he said the female pilots in Desert Storm had bought up most of his stock at that time. He laughed and wondered what the "natives" would think of all these little yellow bags scattered across the desert.....I guess they are better than land mines. Pat --- Kellerin <kellerin_at_ionsys.com> wrote: > Reading the description of "the trip that nobody > wanted", the author, a > male, describes relieving himself in a bag. While > canoeing we are never > too far from shore and so I am regularly able to > pull over and find a > place to squat. But what do the female sea kayakers > do when they are on > a trip and can't pull over? I remember flying around > the north with bush > pilots who would either pee in a baggy and drop it > out the window (I > know, I know, who wants to find burst baggies lying > around in the > wilderness, or worse still, be hit by one!) or just > pee in a jar. I was > so envious of them as I wiggled around in agony > trying to figure out how > to copy them without 1) exposing myself to a > stranger, or 2) peeing all > over myself or the plane. I would really like to > know if any of the > women on this list have come up with a workable > solution to this problem > since my husband is in the process of getting his > pilots license and I > am envisioning having to relive those old, painful, > memories. > Irene > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: > paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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