Just curious as to what methods people are using to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side parking, etc. Jim Tynan Pike Road AL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kayak "Club" and thick plastic coated cable from Home Depot -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of JT Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:39 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] Locking up a kayak Just curious as to what methods people are using to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side parking, etc. Jim Tynan Pike Road AL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Where can one find the Kayak "Club"? Thanks. -Fred At 02:03 PM 8/27/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: >Kayak "Club" and thick plastic coated cable from Home Depot > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of JT >Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:39 PM >To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subject: [Paddlewise] Locking up a kayak > >Just curious as to what methods people are using > > >to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two > > >in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side > > >parking, etc. > > > > > >Jim Tynan > > >Pike Road AL > > > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have made up two lengths of stainless steel wire each with a loop large enough to go around the bow and the stern each about one fifth the way towards the cockpit area. The ends also have a small loop about three inches. Boat Owners Wharehouse let me use their nicro-press. After kayak is placed on roof of car, large loops encircle each end of kayak. Small loops are lead through forward and back window and locked with padlock, using the vertical piece located between front and back seats for strength. Then close wondows. This has worked for me for several years. Pat --- JT <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Just curious as to what methods people are using > > > to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter > or two > > > in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, > curb-side > > > parking, etc. > > > > > > Jim Tynan > > > Pike Road AL > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: > paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We're happy with the Lasso Security Cables we bought about three years ago. They're fairly thick plastic coated steel cables with loops that go over the bow and stern of the kayak, then are threaded around the bar of the roof rack and brought back to the cockpit area to lock. The locks have also been reliable so far (I flood them with WD-40 at the start of the season). It looks like Keelhauler (usual no-connection disclaimer) is having a close-out sale on them, at a good price. Check out this url: http://pages.prodigy.net/keelhauler/flsl970.htm#top and use Ctrl-F to search for "Lasso." Bob Volin bobvolin_at_bestweb.net ;-> There cannot be a crisis this week; my schedule is already full. -----Original Message----- From: JT <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:47 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Locking up a kayak >Just curious as to what methods people are using > > >to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two > > >in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side > > >parking, etc. > > > > > >Jim Tynan > > >Pike Road AL > > > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- JT <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Just curious as to what methods people are using > > > to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter > or two West Marine sells a 15' plastic coated locking cable with a stud type integral lock on one end and a small diameter loop on the other. I am able to feed the cable through the seats of two kayaks down the back of my Trooper and into a small opening in the frame of my truck. Its very easy to secure two kayaks in this manner and I'm sure I could secure more if I ran the cable through a door and secured it through a seat assembly. Hope that helps. Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> --- JT <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > Just curious as to what methods people are using > > > > > > to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter > > or two When I leave my folding kayaks assembled and car top them, I use a variety of locking devices. The SureLock cables from Boulter of Earth, maker of the Driftstopper sea anchor, is quite versatile. I run the cable through some of the crossribs of the foldable kayaks ( I doubt if any one is going to figure out how to take the ribs out when even long-time owners have problems :-)) and then into the car as described in the literature. The cable also works well for locking one or two kayaks to a tree if you are leaving the boats overnight somewhere while you motel nearby. You need a padlock for that however. Also, when I just am throwing one boat up on the roof and not planning to be away from it for long, I just use a cheap bicycle coil cable lock and run it through a rib and out around my factory roof rack. It is just meant to slow someone down. Straps and ropes alone are too inviting to slash and steal the boat. I guess bungee holding down a boat would be a good discouragement against theft. If they slice the bungee it is bound to snap back and knock an eye out :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, JT wrote: > to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two I run a bicycle cable lock around the fiberglass seats and then around my roof rack. I frequently have 2 fiberglass sea kayaks so the cable lock goes through both seats and around the roof rack. boulter sells a pretty nice looking system that amounts to a cable lasso that goes over each end of the boat and locks in the middle. Another suggestion that I've seen is to use a "club", like is sold to lock a vehicle's steering wheel, but use the "club" on the kayak cockpit. Finally I have an insurance rider for both sea kayaks just in case they walk away. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I found it in my local kayak shop. It locks into the cockpit and allows you to secure a cable to it -----Original Message----- From: bouwmanf [mailto:bouwmanf_at_northernlakeservice.com] Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 3:05 PM To: Bob Denton; JT; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Locking up a kayak Where can one find the Kayak "Club"? Thanks. -Fred At 02:03 PM 8/27/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: >Kayak "Club" and thick plastic coated cable from Home Depot > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of JT >Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:39 PM >To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subject: [Paddlewise] Locking up a kayak > >Just curious as to what methods people are using > > >to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two > > >in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side > > >parking, etc. > > > > > >Jim Tynan > > >Pike Road AL > > > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
|inviting to slash and steal the boat. I guess bungee holding down a |boat would be a good discouragement against theft. If they slice the |bungee it is bound to snap back and knock an eye out :-) |ralph diaz AHHHHH HAAAAA! <LightBulb over my head> We should take the used TP from our Kayaking trips and stick it to the kayak! Who would EVEN think of stealing our boats! But only above the waterline so as to effect the performance of our boats! EcoFriendly and SecurityConcious at the same time. But would this work with bears? 8-) <The LightBulb has now dimmed!> Sorry its Friday after a very long week! Later... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote: > > |inviting to slash and steal the boat. I guess bungee holding down a > |boat would be a good discouragement against theft. If they slice the > |bungee it is bound to snap back and knock an eye out :-) > > |ralph diaz > > AHHHHH HAAAAA! <LightBulb over my head> > > We should take the used TP from our Kayaking trips and stick it to the kayak! > Who would EVEN think of > stealing our boats! Careful what you might invite. Years ago I worked with a guy who parked his car on the street in Manhattan. To avoiding having his windows smashed by thieves looking to take something, he decided to keep his car doors very noticeably unlocked. The car had no radio, nothing in the glove compartment, nada. He thought his anti-theft idea was very clever and boasted about it around the office. One day he came in looking none too happy. Seems he got to his car in the morning to find that several people had decided to party in it overnight. They eat greasy chicken, drank beer and threw bones, chicken skin and condoms all over the place. Probably because it was a rainy night, they also skipped answering calls of nature outside and defecated in the car. If you leave TP pasted all over your roof racked kayak, maybe someone might think it alright to use your cockpit to add same. Imagine that!: a high up portasan with a view. :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jim, I share your concerns. Two "high end" fiberglass sea kayaks would cost over $5000 to replace. As kayaking becomes increasingly popular, many folks faced with the high initial startup costs will "consider" theft a viable option. It appears there are quite a few boats that are stolen each year. I'd bet on the problem increasing in the future. We checked with our insurance company and found they required an insurance rider to cover boats of this value against loss. It was fairly expensive, as I recall. You folks on PW might want to get written confirmation from your insurers that your boats are covered at home and away as you want them to be. You might be surprised at what you're told. Protecting kayaks against theft seems akin to protecting bicycles. I doubt there's any "locking" system that is more than a deterent; worth using, of course, but hardly likely to prevent theft if the perps are prepared. I use The Club on vehicles as a deterent, too. It'll stop the kids and joyriders who'll move on to easier pickings, but it's a joke to a pro who'll easily have it off in 10 seconds or less. Employing deterents is probably the best strategy, since any cable or chain can be quickly and easily cut with bolt cutters like the "pro" bike thieves use. My thought is that anyone intent upon stealing a long sea kayak has come prepared. I'll bet a prepared pair of thieves could have my Romany 18, locked to my Yakima rack, which is locked to the vehicle roof, off my car and into their van well inside of 60 seconds. It'd be ridiculously easy, I'd think. Cut the bow and stern tie-downs, cut the pair of NRS cam-buckle straps, and lift the boat off the rack and into their vehicle. With practice I'd bet they could beat 30 seconds. Now, just add to that the few additional seconds required to cut through any chain/cable locking system with the appropriate cutting tool. And it would all take place virtually noiselessly. As an additional deterent, we recently purchased an alarm. Haven't used it yet, so I can't say whether it'll work. It's a motion detector alarm. It has an adjustable cable to lock it around the item to be secured, or just to hang it off something (such as a hotel doorknob). Dell Computer sells an identical unit (to protect laptops) to what we bought from L.L. Bean. (The aparently identical Bean unit is half the price of the Dell; I recall it cost $20. It seems like a well thought out design, at a great price.) Hopefully, the loud alarm going off will send the thieves scurrying off... And maybe I could have Cujo sleep in the cockpit... Bruce >Just curious as to what methods people are using >to lock a kayak to their vehicle for an overnighter or two >in a public location, e.g., motel parking lot, curb-side >parking, etc. > >Jim Tynan > >Pike Road AL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
M. Lenon wrote: > > Jim, > > I share your concerns. Two "high end" fiberglass sea kayaks would cost over > $5000 to replace. > > As kayaking becomes increasingly popular, many folks faced with the high > initial startup costs will "consider" theft a viable option. SNIPPED > Protecting kayaks against theft seems akin to protecting bicycles. I doubt > there's any "locking" system that is more than a deterent; worth using, of > course, but hardly likely to prevent theft if the perps are prepared. SNIPPED Any locking system is just a deterrent not an absolute. When I cartop my boats, I lock 'em when I know I am stopping for a pitstop or quick shopping stop. The professional thieves are not following my mini-van. The locking devices (cable and lock) are to prevent the opportunistic thief. The latter is equally dangerous. I say so because, like it or not, sea kayaking has become quite popular most everywhere. More and more people know the value of those things sitting up on a car roof and probably have tried one or two at some shop where they learned about the cost. This opportunistic shopping has been happening a long time. The first kayaks that I know were stolen around here was about 10 years. Two paddlers on the way to a rendez-vous with a group of us for a camping weekend showed up without their boats. They stopped at a diner in Brooklyn for coffee. Their kayaks were just strapped down. 20 minutes later all that was left were the cut webbing straps. Some opportunistic types drove by, saw them, sliced them with a knife and probably threw em into the back of a pickup truck. A cable would have likely stopped them...bolt cutters are more obvious than a small knife. I cartop boats out of laziness. I keep several stored assembled here in the city. My main motivation is not to save the assembly time but rather that I can just walk or subway to my foldables with little or no gear to carry and go paddle. If I decide to go somewhere else by car then I take them assembled since that is the way they stay for long periods. In point of fact for me, the time factor would favor using unassembled kayaks stored at home. Here is the math (starting from the point when the car is pulled up in front of my brownstone; I am leaving out packing gear into boat and taking it out as that is a constant whether using a folded or assembled boat): A) Folded Kayak 1. Load folded kayak bags into car: 1 minute 2. Assemble boat at launch site: 15 minutes (I won't own one that takes more than that) 3. Knock down boat: 10 minutes 4. Unload boat at home: 1 minute Total with unassembled boat: 27 minutes B) Using An Assembled Kayak 1. Drive to storage spot: 5 to 20 minutes 2. Unlock boat and carry to car: 3 minutes 3. Tie boat on roof rack (permanently attached) using cross straps, bow/stern tiedowns: 7 minutes 4. Take boat off rack at launch site: 3 minutes 5. Place boat on rack after paddle trip: 7 minutes 6. Drive out of way to storage spot: 5 to 20 minutes 7. Take boat off roof rack at storage spot: 3 minutes 7. Put boat away in storage slot: 3 minutes Total with assembled boat: 36 to 66 minutes I generally am always a bit ahead with an unassembled kayak. If one were leaving from home with boat stored in garage or backyard, the time with an assembled boat would be around 25 minutes (I have added just a minute each way to take in and out of garage) as opposed to the 27 minutes with an unassembled one. In this case there would be a small savings. BUT, a couple of psychological beneficial points: 1. In transit, with the boat in the back of my van or in the trunk of a car, I would have a lot of peace of mind about potential professional and opportunistic thieves. Instead of worrying about parking in high visibility spots and re checking cables, etc., I have little concern. 2. While this may seem perverse, assembling a kayak prior to paddling provides a satisfying transitional state of mind between whatever goes on in one's land life to wonderous experience awaiting out on the water. Something similar happens in reverse when knocking down the boat...your mind wanders to the time on the water as you slowly evolve back to a land creature. This may sound like B.S. but I am not the only one who has sensed that ritualistic slowing down of time and savoring the feeling of anticipation while enjoying the satisfaction of seeing a boat emerge before your very eyes from parts and pieces flowing from a sack. I have never seen it fail to intrigue a passerby and I always marvel at the miracle myself though I probably have witnessed this birth process several thousand times. There is however a mental price tag too: 1. You don't get that wonderful alleviation and euphoria upon returning to your car and seeing that the boat is still on the roof safe and sound. You know that feeling, I bet. :-) 2. In transit, you don't get the satisfaction of seeing fellow car travelers looking up at that sleek thing on your car roof in admiration and sometimes awe. Shoot, your damn boat is in a bag inside your car and no one knows that the person at the wheel is a bold seafarer and not some doting, aging gent or lady! :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . 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If the thieves use bungies and no bow or stern tie downs, they would likely beat thirty seconds. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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