I haven't been motion sick while kayaking, but then I'm a newbie and have been staying close to shore in protected waters and not going out in too much of a wind until I improve my skills. That said, when I used to travel alot on business, I found that I got motion sick about every third time I flew. Not good. I bought some accupressure bands -- they look like very small sweatbands, but have a small plastic bump on the inside that you place on the inside of your wrist, about an inch from your hand. They're available at most luggage stores, and I've bought them at airports when I've forgotten mine. They work. And they don't make me sleepy like dramamine, etc. There might be a downside to them, though. I knit quite alot, and when I have the bands on my wrists get a bit stiff from all the repetitive motion. This might happen while paddeling as well, particularly if using a feathered paddle. (I hope this doesn't start the great feathered vs. unfeathered debate again!) -Michelle *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
....WHY YOU CHOWDERHEAD!!!!! DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT UNFEATHERED PADDLES!!!!!..........WHY LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT HERE AND NOW SISTER!!! .....first rule of this list.....never use the words feathered and unfeathered in the same posting. Michelle D. Smith wrote: > I haven't been motion sick while kayaking, but then I'm a newbie > and have been staying close to shore in protected waters and > not going out in too much of a wind until I improve my skills. > > That said, when I used to travel alot on business, I found that > I got motion sick about every third time I flew. Not good. > I bought some accupressure bands -- they look like very small > sweatbands, but have a small plastic bump on the inside that > you place on the inside of your wrist, about an inch from your > hand. They're available at most luggage stores, and I've > bought them at airports when I've forgotten mine. > > They work. And they don't make me sleepy like > dramamine, etc. > > There might be a downside to them, though. I knit quite alot, > and when I have the bands on my wrists get a bit stiff from all > the repetitive motion. This might happen while paddeling as > well, particularly if using a feathered paddle. (I hope this > doesn't start the great feathered vs. unfeathered debate > again!) > > -Michelle > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think the actual question should have been whether the accupressure bands were to be worn feathered or unfeathered. Or perhaps with feathers. Larry Mills > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris & Ellen Kohut [SMTP:chriskayak_at_earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:08 A.M. > To: paddlewise > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > > ....WHY YOU CHOWDERHEAD!!!!! DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT UNFEATHERED > PADDLES!!!!!..........WHY LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT HERE AND NOW > SISTER!!! .....first rule of this list.....never use the words > feathered > and unfeathered in the same posting. > > > Michelle D. Smith wrote: > > > I haven't been motion sick while kayaking, but then I'm a newbie > > and have been staying close to shore in protected waters and > > not going out in too much of a wind until I improve my skills. > > > > That said, when I used to travel alot on business, I found that > > I got motion sick about every third time I flew. Not good. > > I bought some accupressure bands -- they look like very small > > sweatbands, but have a small plastic bump on the inside that > > you place on the inside of your wrist, about an inch from your > > hand. They're available at most luggage stores, and I've > > bought them at airports when I've forgotten mine. > > > > They work. And they don't make me sleepy like > > dramamine, etc. > > > > There might be a downside to them, though. I knit quite alot, > > and when I have the bands on my wrists get a bit stiff from all > > the repetitive motion. This might happen while paddeling as > > well, particularly if using a feathered paddle. (I hope this > > doesn't start the great feathered vs. unfeathered debate > > again!) > > > > -Michelle > > > > > ************************************************************************** > * > > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > > > ************************************************************************** > * > > > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<<I think the actual question should have been whether the accupressure bands were to be worn feathered or unfeathered. Or perhaps with feathers. Larry Mills>> LOL The only time I've gotten slightly queasy in a kayak was on the Potomac last spring. I was feeling a bit unwell and it was just lightly choppy from boat wake. I was in my wetsuit and had not been drinking much water. I discovered that watching the shore kept me feeling better. I had developed a pattern of watching the water. I am still unsure if it was all motion because I did come down with a flu that night. But this taught me how to cure even the hint of motion sickness. I look up as soon as i feel the first twinge. It also keeps me watching where I'm going. I am subject to car sickness. I thought I had outgrown it but one day, about 10 years ago I was riding in the back of a car and after about 2 hours I became so ill I had to ask the driver to pull over to give me a chance to get out and walk. He suggested I ride in the front and after that I was fine. I usually drive, so I guess that is why I don't have this happen often. I'm looking for a trip that will take me out of view of land for a short time in really good conditions so I can see how I handle that BEFORE I get out into a real crossing in iffy conditions. We are looking to try it later this fall. Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi, re those wee knobby bracelets for seasickness, someone in our group got sick paddling in the Minch, and started using one. She said it helped. So that's two successes. Any others? e Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I think the actual question should have been whether the >accupressure bands were to be worn feathered or >unfeathered. >Or perhaps with feathers. > The last is appropriate since she was talking mainly about flying.... On the other hand, it makes a difference if the propeller is feathered. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I am guessing that a wetsuit made of feathers might have helped. Works for ducks. Larry Mills > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Spinner [SMTP:JSpinner_at_agu.org] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:13 A.M. > Cc: paddlewise > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > > <<I think the actual question should have been whether the > accupressure bands were to be worn feathered or > unfeathered. > > Or perhaps with feathers. > > Larry Mills>> > > LOL > > The only time I've gotten slightly queasy in a kayak was on the > Potomac last > spring. I was feeling a bit unwell and it was just lightly choppy from > boat > wake. I was in my wetsuit and had not been drinking much water. I > discovered > that watching the shore kept me feeling better. I had developed a pattern > of > watching the water. I am still unsure if it was all motion because I did > come > down with a flu that night. But this taught me how to cure even the hint > of > motion sickness. I look up as soon as i feel the first twinge. It also > keeps me > watching where I'm going. > I am subject to car sickness. I thought I had outgrown it but one day, > about > 10 years ago I was riding in the back of a car and after about 2 hours I > became > so ill I had to ask the driver to pull over to give me a chance to get out > and > walk. He suggested I ride in the front and after that I was fine. I > usually > drive, so I guess that is why I don't have this happen often. > I'm looking for a trip that will take me out of view of land for a > short > time in really good conditions so I can see how I handle that BEFORE I get > out > into a real crossing in iffy conditions. We are looking to try it later > this > fall. > > Joan Spinner > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm still trying to figure out why one would need accupressure bands while knitting ;-) -Hal -----Original Message----- From: Mills, Larry [SMTP:Larry.Mills_at_exchange.purchase.edu] Sent: den 10 september 1999 15:21 To: 'Chris & Ellen Kohut'; paddlewise Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] motion sickness I think the actual question should have been whether the accupressure bands were to be worn feathered or unfeathered. Or perhaps with feathers. Larry Mills > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris & Ellen Kohut [SMTP:chriskayak_at_earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:08 A.M. > To: paddlewise > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > > ....WHY YOU CHOWDERHEAD!!!!! DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT UNFEATHERED > PADDLES!!!!!..........WHY LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT HERE AND NOW > SISTER!!! .....first rule of this list.....never use the words > feathered > and unfeathered in the same posting. > > > Michelle D. Smith wrote: > > > I haven't been motion sick while kayaking, but then I'm a newbie > > and have been staying close to shore in protected waters and > > not going out in too much of a wind until I improve my skills. > > > > That said, when I used to travel alot on business, I found that > > I got motion sick about every third time I flew. Not good. > > I bought some accupressure bands -- they look like very small > > sweatbands, but have a small plastic bump on the inside that > > you place on the inside of your wrist, about an inch from your > > hand. They're available at most luggage stores, and I've > > bought them at airports when I've forgotten mine. > > > > They work. And they don't make me sleepy like > > dramamine, etc. > > > > There might be a downside to them, though. I knit quite alot, > > and when I have the bands on my wrists get a bit stiff from all > > the repetitive motion. This might happen while paddeling as > > well, particularly if using a feathered paddle. (I hope this > > doesn't start the great feathered vs. unfeathered debate > > again!) > > > > -Michelle > > > > > ************************************************************************** > * > > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > > > ************************************************************************** > * > > > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Hal Christiansen wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out why one would need accupressure bands > while knitting ;-) My problem was figuring out how she could knit while paddling as well. e > > > There might be a downside to them, though. I knit quite alot, > > > and when I have the bands on my wrists get a bit stiff from all > > > the repetitive motion. This might happen while paddeling as > > > well, particularly if using a feathered paddle. (I hope this > > > doesn't start the great feathered vs. unfeathered debate > > > again!) Elaine Harmon - eilidh_at_dc.seflin.org - eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
ok it's friday nite and i am a bit bored, so following the sea sickness line i did a web search, which brought up the usual stuff and a blue catgory 'sea monkey' what's that? well one place to read the history of them is _at_ http://www.sea-monkey.com/retro/index.html having done so, it think that the sea-monkey idea is a wonderful thing to consider for food for the strong kayakers... who can wait for it to grow up. till then, it's me playing with toys. cu, bliven *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sep 10, 20:36, "Larry Bliven" wrote: } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > ok it's friday nite and i am a bit bored, > so following the sea sickness line i did a web search, > which brought up the usual stuff and a blue catgory 'sea monkey' > > what's that? > well one place to read the history of them is _at_ > http://www.sea-monkey.com/retro/index.html > > having done so, > it think that the sea-monkey idea > is a wonderful thing to consider > for food for the strong kayakers... > who can wait for it to grow up. > > till then, > it's me playing with toys. Go to Mono Lake in California. Bring a net and scoop 'em up directly from the kayak. The seagulls love them. Don't have to wait for them to grow up. Actually Mono Lake is a fun spot to kayak, though often a bit windy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sep 10, 17:59, Bob Myers wrote: } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > On Sep 10, 20:36, "Larry Bliven" wrote: > } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness > > ok it's friday nite and i am a bit bored, > > so following the sea sickness line i did a web search, > > which brought up the usual stuff and a blue catgory 'sea monkey' > > > > what's that? > > well one place to read the history of them is _at_ > > http://www.sea-monkey.com/retro/index.html > > > > having done so, > > it think that the sea-monkey idea > > is a wonderful thing to consider > > for food for the strong kayakers... > > who can wait for it to grow up. > > > > till then, > > it's me playing with toys. > > Go to Mono Lake in California. Bring a net and scoop 'em up directly > from the kayak. The seagulls love them. Don't have to wait for them > to grow up. > > Actually Mono Lake is a fun spot to kayak, though often a bit windy. Here's some interesting stuff about Mono Lake brine shrimp, swimming in the lake, and a kayak outfitter in the area who runs tours on the lake: http://www.mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/monolake/shrimp.html http://www.mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/monolake/swim.html http://www.calderakayak.com/ -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob_at_InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 949-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 949-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ InteleNet Communications is a subsidiary of FirstWorld Communications, Inc. http://www.firstworld.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Actually Mono Lake is a fun spot to kayak, though often a bit windy. > > Here's some interesting stuff about Mono Lake brine shrimp, swimming > in the lake, and a kayak outfitter in the area who runs tours on the > lake: > > http://www.mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/monolake/shrimp.html > http://www.mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/monolake/swim.html > http://www.calderakayak.com/ > > > -- Bob, thanks for the links, they are fun to read..the ranger has an interesting way with words. such a weird place has to be a real adventure location. cu, bliven *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: Elaine Harmon [mailto:eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu] > > Hi, re those wee knobby bracelets for seasickness, someone in > our group > got sick paddling in the Minch, and started using one. She > said it helped. > So that's two successes. Any others? e > Never (knocking vigorously on wood) been sea sick myself, but my mother swears by her accupressure bands for sailing. Don't know if that counts as a sucess or not.....she did wear them the one time she paddled one of my 'yaks. :-) Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 9/10/99 9:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bob_at_intelenet.net writes: << http://www.mammothweb.com/sierraweb/sightseeing/monolake/shrimp.html >> Thank goodness my cut-and-paste worked for this super-duper-long site address! Frankly, I found the sea monkeys site a more interesting read and that's not saying a whole heckuva lot! Who writes these things? Skimmed (!) through parts of the narrative but sorry if I missed anything worthwhile. I did, however, visit Mono Lake a few years back on a Green Tortoise (www.greentortoise.com) Yosemite trip and made the ghastly mistake of diving in! For those who don't know, it is umpteen percent SALT. Your skin becomes white and your eyes sting like the dickens if you are stupid (or ignorant) enough to dive in. More than happy to offer more info on the Green Tortoise to anyone who wants. I was looking at their site yesterday to see if my special Y2K vacation would be one of their cross-country trips. Sandy Kramer Miami, Fl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Regarding experiences with sea sickness: I reckon I've been in some fairly rough seas over the last few decades whilst kayaking, and have never been sea sick. However, in the context of a trip, I have learned something about proactive treatment. My friend and I were taking the Uchuck III out of Gold River. The boat was bound for Kyoquot on Vancouver Island's west coast. We had requested a "wet launching" at or near Rugged Point. As the boat traversed Rolling Roadstead (a well-named exit outlet of Esperanza Inlet) and turned west up the open Pacific, the swell was running higher than expected. The skipper indicated to us that there was no way he would launch us in those seas. My buddy and I had discussed taking Gravol prior to entering the open Pacific, but we had got too excited sightseeing from the boat as we passed Tatchu Point, a nasty spot we would have to round on the kayak trip back down. While examining the point, *that* sensation started in our stomachs. It got worse. We ignored it. The sun was putrid hot. The swell grew. We lay on the deck, trying not to heave as the boat threaded its way past Kapoose Creek. I told my bud I was going to get the Gravol buried in the hatch. He said it was too late to take and not to worry, we would be off-loading soon in the protected waters of Kyoquot. To make a long story short, the skipper unexpectedly came over the loudspeaker, announcing to the "two kayakers" that he would attempt to wet launch us in front of Union Island in five minutes. "Oh no, not now!" We scrambled, yanking out wet suits (doing a strip show for the tourists), etc, repacking, stowing day gear, etc, etc. I was dizzy and ready to pass out, panicking with the clock ticking. I was sweating buckets with the wetsuit on. The kayaks weighed a ton. My friend and I managed to launch finally, one after the other. But the palette I was on was bashed against the side of the ship's hull numerous times, and I wondered if I'd be the first in history to do an "Inuit Air Roll", landing cat-like on the water (while barfing the previous evenings ample Chinese food and cheap beer). Well, we both finally knew why the locals call the Uchuck III the "Upchuck", and we both vowed to take medication preemptively next time. (I felt ill for 48 more hours). BC'in Ya Doug lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I like that story. That is why I put on my wrist pads before the sea gets rough. For me it is not the rough seas it is the rolling of the boat in the swells of the open Pacific. People may tease me about my wrist pads, for me they are a valued investment and something I always bring along. ....just in case. Kirby Stevens Coastal Waters Recreation Victoria, B.C. Website: http://www.islandnet.com/~stevens/home.html -----Original Message----- From: Doug Lloyd [SMTP:dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:52 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] motion sickness Regarding experiences with sea sickness: I reckon I've been in some fairly rough seas over the last few decades whilst kayaking, and have never been sea sick. However, in the context of a trip, I have learned something about proactive treatment. My friend and I were taking the Uchuck III out of Gold River. The boat was bound for Kyoquot on Vancouver Island's west coast. We had requested a "wet launching" at or near Rugged Point. As the boat traversed Rolling Roadstead (a well-named exit outlet of Esperanza Inlet) and turned west up the open Pacific, the swell was running higher than expected. The skipper indicated to us that there was no way he would launch us in those seas. My buddy and I had discussed taking Gravol prior to entering the open Pacific, but we had got too excited sightseeing from the boat as we passed Tatchu Point, a nasty spot we would have to round on the kayak trip back down. While examining the point, *that* sensation started in our stomachs. It got worse. We ignored it. The sun was putrid hot. The swell grew. We lay on the deck, trying not to heave as the boat threaded its way past Kapoose Creek. I told my bud I was going to get the Gravol buried in the hatch. He said it was too late to take and not to worry, we would be off-loading soon in the protected waters of Kyoquot. To make a long story short, the skipper unexpectedly came over the loudspeaker, announcing to the "two kayakers" that he would attempt to wet launch us in front of Union Island in five minutes. "Oh no, not now!" We scrambled, yanking out wet suits (doing a strip show for the tourists), etc, repacking, stowing day gear, etc, etc. I was dizzy and ready to pass out, panicking with the clock ticking. I was sweating buckets with the wetsuit on. The kayaks weighed a ton. My friend and I managed to launch finally, one after the other. But the palette I was on was bashed against the side of the ship's hull numerous times, and I wondered if I'd be the first in history to do an "Inuit Air Roll", landing cat-like on the water (while barfing the previous evenings ample Chinese food and cheap beer). Well, we both finally knew why the locals call the Uchuck III the "Upchuck", and we both vowed to take medication preemptively next time. (I felt ill for 48 more hours). BC'in Ya Doug lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> ---------- > From: Doug Lloyd[SMTP:dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca] > > yanking out wet suits (doing a strip show for the tourists), > I think I saw this video at an all women's outdoor weekend event-it was very well received :-) Debs *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> From: Doug Lloyd[SMTP:dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca] >> >> yanking out wet suits (doing a strip show for the tourists), >> >I think I saw this video at an all women's outdoor weekend event-it was very >well received :-) > >Debs Oh Deb, That's so low, but very funny. My wife laughed too. I mean really laughed hard, like an "as if", "you wish" sort of laugh. She then reminded me how we met. We were at a "College and Career" outing in the evening, sponsored by the Baptist church. We were all playing games at a sea-side park, when someone threw a football into the sea by accident. I immediately stripped down to my under ware and dived into the late spring, mild surf, declaring my swimming prowess as an extreme kayaker. Upon completion of the task, a look of horror and shock emenated from the 20 young people as they turned away. My wife (at that time a newcomer) kept giving me furtive glances. The rest was, of course, history. Anyway, I'm glad Dave Kruger hasn't seen me this way: >Some of Doug Lloyd's adventures got me to thinking <snip>. Doug is a very ballsy guy who seeks out...<snip> I wouldn't want to dissapoint Dave <G> BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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