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From: Philip Torrens <skerries_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue, Self Rescue in Kleppers &amp; Velcro
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:37:15 PDT
>From: Peter Osman <PeterO_at_ambri.com.au>

>Velcro fastenings seem to be regarded with suspicion. Maybe like knots, 
>they
>can be good or bad? The paddling gloves I once used were fastened with
>Velcro and were hopeless. Fell apart in water as soon as you looked at 
>them.
>My Klepper spray deck is fastened to the coaming with Velcro and it's 
>worked
>for a year very well, but mostly under light sea conditions. The personal
>and paddle tethers I use are made for surfboards and are fastened by
>sandwiching 3 separate strips of Velcro together. They seem very secure.

Right you are Peter, the problem of good and bad Velcro has puzzled Catholic 
theologians for centuries.
Seriously, though we use the term Velcro for any "hook and loop fastener" 
(the proper generic term), Velcro is in fact a brand name, and was the 
orginal (the Swiss boffin who invented it is said to have been inspired by 
various plants whose seed pods hook onto the fur of animals for wider 
distribution.)
Anyway, like any other product, what's available varies widely in quality, 
durability, and gripping power. Reputable manufactuerers (Klepper etc.) are 
undoubtedly careful to source only quality stuff, propably actual Velcro, 
rather than one of the numerous knock-offs now on the market.
How can you tell the good from the bad? Simply test it as you did the 
gloves. If you're buying your own to use in home projects, test the male and 
female halves in the store to see how strongly they resist being torn 
assunder from side-to-side and vertically.

Happy sticking.

Philip Torrens
N49°16' W123°06'

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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_home.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue, Self Rescue in Kleppers&amp; Velcro
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:50:04 -0400
Philip Torrens wrote:

>  Velcro is in fact a brand name, and was the
> orginal (the Swiss boffin who invented it is said to have been inspired by
> various plants whose seed pods hook onto the fur of animals for wider
> distribution.)

Swiss??? Isn't Velcro a Canadian invention (like the paint roller and the
Robertson screwdriver).?

Mike

PS - someone on a kayak trip this summer showed me a book they were
reading - Canadian Firsts (or something like that) - a book on inventions
and first achievements by Canadians.  The author... Ralph Nader.?!?!?


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From: Steve Jernigan <jernigan_at_chester.uccs.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Velcro
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:27:00 -0600
At 10:50 PM 09/14/1999 -0400, Michael Daly wrote:
>Philip Torrens wrote:
>
>>  Velcro is in fact a brand name, and was the

>Swiss??? Isn't Velcro a Canadian invention (like the paint roller and the
>Robertson screwdriver).?

Hi Mike et al!

Actually, I think velcro is a NASA invention, developed originally to keep
tools and other materials from wondering off in a zero-G environment. You
would be amazed at the number of everyday technologies that are NASA
spin-offs! Your tax dollars at work!
ByeBye! S.
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From: <DANJW_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Velcro
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:13:18 EDT
In a message dated 9/15/99 4:35:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jernigan_at_chester.uccs.edu writes:

Actually, I think velcro is a NASA invention, developed originally to keep
tools and other materials from wondering off in a zero-G environment. You
would be amazed at the number of everyday technologies that are NASA
spin-offs! Your tax dollars at work!
ByeBye! S.

    Velcro was invented by Georges de Mestral a Swiss scientist who, after 
finding how difficult it was to remove the burr of the burdock plant from his 
clothing and his dog's fur, examined the burrs under a microscope and figured 
out how to reproduce the hooked shape of the burr and came up with Velcro. 
(Vel for velvet and Cro for crochet which is French for "hook"). From Velcro 
Corp's web page which was recently visited in helping my kid do a project on 
the Burdock plant. 
    Good discussion on tethers, I hope it is being archived on the Paddlewise 
site.

        Dan Williams
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From: Philip Torrens <skerries_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Velcro
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:13:31 PDT
>From: Steve Jernigan <jernigan_at_chester.uccs.edu>
>To: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_home.com>
>CC: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net

>Hi Mike et al!
>
>Actually, I think velcro is a NASA invention, developed originally to keep
>tools and other materials from wondering off in a zero-G environment. You
>would be amazed at the number of everyday technologies that are NASA
>spin-offs! Your tax dollars at work!
>ByeBye! S.

Hi Steve,
Nope, you damn yankees didn't invent everything you know :-)! (I'm allowed 
to slander yanks 'cause my mom was one!)
Check out http://www.velcro.com/htm/loop/invent.htm - not Canadian, not 
American, but Swiss in origin. By the way, contrary to popular 
misconception, Teflon was not a NASA invention either, although your 
president seems to be making full use of it:-)

Philip Torrens
N49°16' W123°06'

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From: Steve Jernigan <jernigan_at_chester.uccs.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Velcro
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:18:51 -0600
At 03:13 PM 09/15/1999 PDT, Philip Torrens wrote:
>>Actually, I think velcro is a NASA invention, developed originally to keep
>>tools and other materials from wondering off in a zero-G environment. You
>>would be amazed at the number of everyday technologies that are NASA
>>spin-offs! Your tax dollars at work!
>>ByeBye! S.
>
>Hi Steve,
>Nope, you damn yankees didn't invent everything you know :-)! (I'm allowed 
>to slander yanks 'cause my mom was one!)
>Check out http://www.velcro.com/htm/loop/invent.htm - not Canadian, not 
>American, but Swiss in origin. By the way, contrary to popular 
>misconception, Teflon was not a NASA invention either, although your 
>president seems to be making full use of it:-)

Hi all!
Well! If we "damn Yankees" don't invent it, we'll just have to steal it! 
I'm certain I remember reading an article a couple of years back hyping
NASA's contributions to the world-at-large. Among many other items it
designated as NASA developments was the hook -n- loop (I visited the above
web site, they're adamant that the product isn't "Velcro") design. Can't
remember if the article was a NASA publication or not, but I guess I'll
have to see if I can find it again to satisfy my curiosity; it wouldn't be
the first time a "Yank" organization garnered the glory (and incidental
profits) from someone elses' hard work! 
Sorry to be responsible for the dissemination of misinformation; there's
more than enough of that available on the web already without me adding my
$.02!
ByeBye! S.
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From: Sam and Ann Isaacs <saisaacs_at_netcom.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Velcro
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:31:50 +0000
On a visit to Roswell, N.M., my wife and I were were advised that velcro
and fiber-optics came from "them" - i.e. the aliens that crashed in the
desert. Don't know if them aliens were Swiss or not, but this obviously
confirms the Yankees as stealers of all things good that originated from
other civilizations ;-)

<snip>

>Well! If we "damn Yankees" don't invent it, we'll just have to steal it! 
>I'm certain I remember reading an article a couple of years back hyping
>NASA's contributions to the world-at-large. Among many other items it
>designated as NASA developments was the hook -n- loop (I visited the above
>web site, they're adamant that the product isn't "Velcro") design. Can't
>remember if the article was a NASA publication or not, but I guess I'll
>have to see if I can find it again to satisfy my curiosity; it wouldn't be
>the first time a "Yank" organization garnered the glory (and incidental
>profits) from someone elses' hard work! 
>Sorry to be responsible for the dissemination of misinformation; there's
>more than enough of that available on the web already without me adding my
>$.02!
>ByeBye! S.
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