Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't inadvertently slide rearward? I'm concerned that I may loose footing and the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. So I'm noodling the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that keep them tensioned forward. Of course I haven't yet tried to climb head first into my kayak to see if I can even get in there. Any suggestions? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Williams [mailto:paddler_at_loxinfo.co.th] Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 5:53 PM To: paddlewise Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rudders (yawn) While on the subject of rudders and everyone braggin' about not using them (yawning with tongue firmly planted in cheek), I was wondering if anyone out there paddles a Sea Lion without a rudder. Cheers, Dave Dave Williams dave_at_paddleasia.com http://paddleasia.com Phuket, Thailand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com> > Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any > owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't > inadvertently slide rearward? Towards the bow of your boat or the stern? Do you mean from tension in the line or from the locks for the foot pegs slipping out of the slots? > I'm concerned that I may loose footing and > the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. Has this happened to you already while paddling? > So I'm noodling > the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that keep > them tensioned forward. You want to place bungie cords under stress in your cockpit? Hmmmm.... I don't know about that..... Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joe Brzoza wrote: > > Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any > owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't > inadvertently slide rearward? I'm concerned that I may loose footing and > the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. So I'm noodling > the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that keep > them tensioned forward. Of course I haven't yet tried to climb head first > into my kayak to see if I can even get in there. I've done that to a couple yaks. I used the small bungies which used to be called bicycle bungies. These have small hooks on their ends which I bent to close into a loop. I secured one end to a bolt forward of the front end of the slider. The other end was similarly bolted to the slider. To reach into the yak I suspended it on loops of webbing, cockpit side down, and adjusted the height to make it tolerable/easy to get my upper torso inside the cockpit. It was a tight fit, even so. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
OK let me see if I can clarify. I would like to see if anyone has addressed the issue of having the rudder-steering footpegs slide toward the stern into a position that isn't reachable by the toes. For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. So I have been considering attaching one end of a bungie cord to the back (bow side) of a footpeg and the other end to a point further towards the bow. With a little tension placed on the bungie it should theoretically pull the pegs toward the bow and eliminate this stern sliding issue. Not that I paddle with my feet off the pegs a great deal, I just like to straighten my legs out once in a while without worrying that I'll knock the pegs out of reach. Make sense? -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Fenton [mailto:jackie_at_intelenet.net] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:36 AM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sea Lion Rudder Mods From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com> > Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any > owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't > inadvertently slide rearward? Towards the bow of your boat or the stern? Do you mean from tension in the line or from the locks for the foot pegs slipping out of the slots? > I'm concerned that I may loose footing and > the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. Has this happened to you already while paddling? > So I'm noodling > the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that keep > them tensioned forward. You want to place bungie cords under stress in your cockpit? Hmmmm.... I don't know about that..... Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Makes perfectly good sense to me. I use something like that on a pair that I made for my old folding kayak. I wasn't happy with anything from the factory, so just built my own set up. It would be differant than what you have, but sounds like the basic setup. I use a short bungee on each pedal, going forward and with almost no pressure on them. The only time they streach is when the other side is pushed. Taking my feet off the pedals will cause the rudder to self center. Hope _this_ makes sense. James Joe Brzoza wrote: > > OK let me see if I can clarify. I would like to see if anyone has addressed > the issue of having the rudder-steering footpegs slide toward the stern into > a position that isn't reachable by the toes. > > For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking > my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I > accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the > stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. > > So I have been considering attaching one end of a bungie cord to the back > (bow side) of a footpeg and the other end to a point further towards the > bow. With a little tension placed on the bungie it should theoretically > pull the pegs toward the bow and eliminate this stern sliding issue. > > Not that I paddle with my feet off the pegs a great deal, I just like to > straighten my legs out once in a while without worrying that I'll knock the > pegs out of reach. > > Make sense? > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:54 PM 9/9/99 -0400, Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>wrote: SNIP >For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking >my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I >accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the >stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. > This has happened to me as well (and I don't have a Sea Lion). I also find that if I don't check to confirm that the pedals are in their proper place after carrying my boat to the water's edge, I find myself in the boat trying to fasten the spray skirt and not being able to get my feet on the pedals. Pain in the ass!! >So I have been considering attaching one end of a bungie cord to the back >(bow side) of a footpeg and the other end to a point further towards the >bow. With a little tension placed on the bungie it should theoretically >pull the pegs toward the bow and eliminate this stern sliding issue. > >Make sense? > Makes a lotta sense to me! Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bill Leonhardt wrote: > > >For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking > >my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I > >accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the > >stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. > > > > This has happened to me as well (and I don't have a Sea Lion). I also find > that if I don't check to confirm that the pedals are in their proper place > after carrying my boat to the water's edge, I find myself in the boat > trying to fasten the spray skirt and not being able to get my feet on the > pedals. Pain in the ass!! Me, too, and I do. I usually end up popping the skirt and shoving the sliding track (that's what moves, not the pedal itself, right?) down by hand. Not a good move in waves, of course. In extremis, you can plant your foot against the hull stiffening bar and bend your knee farther than usual. I was able to roll that way once when I actually lost the pedal itself off the track. But I think Joe's idea is not bad. I'd use really light bungie. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Makes good sense to me, at my suggestion Nimbus Kayaks have their rudder pedals tethered this way to keep them from sliding out of the track when carrying the kayak up or down a steep hill or stairs. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com> To: 'Jackie Fenton' <jackie_at_intelenet.net>; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Sea Lion Rudder Mods >OK let me see if I can clarify. I would like to see if anyone has addressed >the issue of having the rudder-steering footpegs slide toward the stern into >a position that isn't reachable by the toes. > >For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking >my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I >accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the >stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. > >So I have been considering attaching one end of a bungie cord to the back >(bow side) of a footpeg and the other end to a point further towards the >bow. With a little tension placed on the bungie it should theoretically >pull the pegs toward the bow and eliminate this stern sliding issue. > >Not that I paddle with my feet off the pegs a great deal, I just like to >straighten my legs out once in a while without worrying that I'll knock the >pegs out of reach. > >Make sense? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jackie Fenton [mailto:jackie_at_intelenet.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:36 AM >To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sea Lion Rudder Mods > > >From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com> > >> Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any >> owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't >> inadvertently slide rearward? > > >Towards the bow of your boat or the stern? Do you mean from tension in >the line or from the locks for the foot pegs slipping out of the slots? > >> I'm concerned that I may loose footing and >> the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. > >Has this happened to you already while paddling? > >> So I'm noodling >> the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that >keep >> them tensioned forward. > >You want to place bungie cords under stress in your cockpit? > >Hmmmm.... I don't know about that..... > >Cheers, > >Jackie > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> OK let me see if I can clarify. I would like to see if anyone has addressed > the issue of having the rudder-steering footpegs slide toward the stern into > a position that isn't reachable by the toes. > > For example, on one occasion I stretched my legs out in front of me (taking > my feet off the pegs), and when I went to return to my footing I > accidentally hit the back of one of the pegs and sent it sliding toward the > stern. I narrowly got my footing back before having to brace for a wave. Thanks, Joe. I understand this. I agree an elastic cord would help but not sure I'd use a bungie cord with hooks. I've had more than a couple fail on me and don't think I'd like to be whacked on the leg by one :-) But I've made a large "rubber band" out of the cord by tying two ends together sans the hooks and use it for holding my rudder in place during transport. I just don't trust those hooks 8-} Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes, but probably not in a way that's helpful. When I took the rudder off my Sea Lion, I inserted bolts to keep the sliders in place. I also experimented with a handmade wooden extension/clamp that joined the two pedals. Hence, no movement fore or aft, but not exactly the solution you're looking for, if you want to keep ruddering. Joe Brzoza wrote: > Since we're on the subject of Sea Lions and rudders, I'm wondering if any > owners have modified their sliding foot pegs so that they don't > inadvertently slide rearward? I'm concerned that I may loose footing and > the peg will slide rearward and out of reach of my foot. So I'm noodling > the idea around of attaching bungie cords to the back of the pegs that keep > them tensioned forward. Of course I haven't yet tried to climb head first > into my kayak to see if I can even get in there. > > Any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams [mailto:paddler_at_loxinfo.co.th] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 5:53 PM > To: paddlewise > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rudders (yawn) > > While on the subject of rudders and everyone braggin' about not using them > (yawning with tongue firmly planted in cheek), I was wondering if anyone out > there paddles a Sea Lion without a rudder. > > Cheers, > Dave > > Dave Williams > dave_at_paddleasia.com > http://paddleasia.com > Phuket, Thailand > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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