Hello again, In respect to this last season of paddling, I want to know what you would do to make it better. I have been following a similar thread on a local paddling list and I have seen many good ideas come from it. Basically, go over what wasn't so great and describe what you would do to fix it. Here are some of mine. On cold trips I would like to bring hot chocolate laced with Irish Cream, plenty for sharing. (not Shari) :) I would leave a spare pair of shoes/socks in the truck. I would call home more often to explain why I am staying on the river for 6 more hours than I originally thought. (whoops) I would set up my hot shower bag for the takeout: it's especially nice for rinsing off the local mud. I would spend more time exploring islands, hidden coves and looking out over tall lakeside cliffs than I would just paddling from points A to B. I ought to stretch out more pretrip. Sometimes I got so excited, I completely forgot, and paid later. I would carry more Gatorade in my hydration pack, I seem to never have enough. I would spend more time working on a "combat roll" and less time with the "perfect setting ones". I would take more pictures, I won't always be able to remember "the good times". There you are. Paddlewisers:I hope you find time to answer this, your ideas can help out everyone. Thanks Phil Huck thekayaker_at_yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Interesting thoughts run through my head thinking of what I'd do differently. 1. I'd limit my daily distances on ocean kayak camping trips to 15-18, allowing more time to enjoy the scenery and less time popping Advil at the end of the day. 2. I'd take lots more pictures...and I'd keep my camera more easily accessible for those instantly exciting moments we all have. 3. I think I'll spend less time crossing channels, and more time exploring sea caves and the coastline. 4. I'll bring oatmeal for hot breakfasts rather than cold, stale bagels. 5. I'll keep my PFD pocket loaded with Jolly Ranger candies....such a treat for everyone. David Powdrell -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Phil Huck Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:00 AM To: paddlewise submissions; Shari Schoenborn; Mark Tilly Subject: [Paddlewise] What would you do differently? Hello again, In respect to this last season of paddling, I want to know what you would do to make it better. I have been following a similar thread on a local paddling list and I have seen many good ideas come from it. Basically, go over what wasn't so great and describe what you would do to fix it. Here are some of mine. On cold trips I would like to bring hot chocolate laced with Irish Cream, plenty for sharing. (not Shari) :) I would leave a spare pair of shoes/socks in the truck. I would call home more often to explain why I am staying on the river for 6 more hours than I originally thought. (whoops) I would set up my hot shower bag for the takeout: it's especially nice for rinsing off the local mud. I would spend more time exploring islands, hidden coves and looking out over tall lakeside cliffs than I would just paddling from points A to B. I ought to stretch out more pretrip. Sometimes I got so excited, I completely forgot, and paid later. I would carry more Gatorade in my hydration pack, I seem to never have enough. I would spend more time working on a "combat roll" and less time with the "perfect setting ones". I would take more pictures, I won't always be able to remember "the good times". There you are. Paddlewisers:I hope you find time to answer this, your ideas can help out everyone. Thanks Phil Huck thekayaker_at_yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Phil Huck wrote: > In respect to this last season of paddling, I want to > know what you would do to make it better. [many snips throughout] > Here are some of mine. > I would leave a spare pair of shoes/socks in the truck. And change of clothes. And spare key on the rig. > I would spend more time exploring islands, hidden > coves and looking out over tall lakeside cliffs than I > would just paddling from points A to B. This is my major flaw. Too "goal oriented" about getting there. One trip we "tidepooled" from our yaks at very low tide, and it was really fun! Another regret is that I did not carefully journal each day -- reading my journal after trips where I was more thorough has been a lot of fun! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hmmmm.... 1. I'd make a real effort to "compose" a picture that tries to capture the mood of the moment on each outing. Snapshots are great and lots of fun, but some shots seem to tell so much more. Be it sun and shadow, or wind on water, a well crafted photo is a real asset. I gotta make the effort ! 2. Take more snacks ! 3. Do more stroke drill and roll practice while the water is warm ! 4. Take more snacks ! 5. Take more short trips to different water ...any water close by. Weekend campouts are not the only time to paddle. 6. Take more snacks ! ...adieu ...Peyton (Louisiana) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
As opposed to Peyton, I need to: Do more stroke, sculling and rolling practice in cold water (but it still makes me shiver just thinking about it) Debs > ---------- > From: gpwecho_at_juno.com[SMTP:gpwecho_at_juno.com] > > 3. Do more stroke drill and roll practice while the water is warm ! > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:16 PM 10/12/99 -0400, Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote: >As opposed to Peyton, I need to: > >Do more stroke, sculling and rolling practice in cold water (but it still >makes me shiver just thinking about it) In which case if you're ever considering visiting another PaddleWiser you should come to Ithaca instead of Louisiana. The water here is getting quite chilly. I haven't tried rolling in a couple of weeks but I've worked on my sculling brace and can finally get my head completely wet. It took awhile to feel comfortable getting my left elbow down so I'm holding the paddle like I would a pull-up bar. Once I did that I was able to get a nice, slow, sculling motion. Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace better? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, John Fereira wrote: > Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. > Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace > better? Get someone to videotape you doing both sides. Its frightening how bad you can look on videotape... The first things I would look at would be - your offside scull isn't perpendicular to your boat (at the middle of the sculling motion. I have problems if I scull to far forward or leaning back. - your "top hand" is too far away from the hull as you scull, - your onside hand isn't below the paddle. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I just extracted this from today's National Park Service morning report, out of Delaware Gap National Recreation Area. Are we talking clueless, or what? -- Wes ------------------------------------------------------------ "The park received a report of two overdue canoeists on the Delaware River on the evening of September 28th. Rangers Mike Zirwas and Jennifer Kavanaugh began a search for the married couple, who had rented a canoe from a local business permittee, and found them in pitch darkness just a hundred yards north of the point where they'd put in at Smithfield Beach. The couple had been dropped off that morning and instructed to head downstream to Kittatinny Point. They had instead paddled upstream against the current, covering about three miles in six hours of steady paddling. According to the woman: "When we reached the fourth set of rapids and the water was still going the wrong way, we decided we had probably been going the wrong way." They turned around and paddled for 90 minutes, then pulled over to the shore to wait for morning - not realizing how close they were to the boat ramp where they'd put in seven-and-a-half hours previously. Both were okay and in remarkably good spirits." *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, Whenever I am learning a new skill, I try it on one side and then the other and just keep flopping around. That way I don't have an off-side. That advice won't help you now that you have an off-side for sculling, but the next time you start working on something new, give it a try. Debs > ---------- > From: John Fereira[SMTP:jaf30_at_cornell.edu] > > Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right > side. > Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace > better? > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:44 PM 10/12/99 -0400, Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote: >John, > >Whenever I am learning a new skill, I try it on one side and then the other >and just keep flopping around. That way I don't have an off-side. That >advice won't help you now that you have an off-side for sculling, but the >next time you start working on something new, give it a try. Fortunately I did that when I started working on a bow rudder turn. My left and right side are pretty even. In a few weeks the outdoor club that I'm affiliated with is going to do their first pool session. Last year I really got my onside roll solid during those pool sessions. Although that was in a whitewater boat I think I only missed two rolls all summer. This year I'll work on my offside roll, sculling, and my re-entry roll. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Something that helped me when learning to re-enter and roll was to use an extended (Pawlata) roll to get back up. For some reason, I had a really difficult time getting a screw roll to work with the re-entry, but once I tried an extended roll I got up every time. With some practise, I was able to slowly convert this to my usual screw roll. Now I use the extended as a back up if my first attempt at a screw fails. -Patrick Maun St. Paul, Minnesota > >Whenever I am learning a new skill, I try it on one side and then the other > >and just keep flopping around. That way I don't have an off-side. That >>advice won't help you now that you have an off-side for sculling, but the >>next time you start working on something new, give it a try. > >Fortunately I did that when I started working on a bow rudder turn. My >left and right side are pretty even. > >In a few weeks the outdoor club that I'm affiliated with is going to do >their first pool session. Last year I really got my onside roll solid during >those pool sessions. Although that was in a whitewater boat I think I >only missed two rolls all summer. This year I'll work on my offside roll, >sculling, and my re-entry roll. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Debbie Reeves wrote: >>John, >> >>Whenever I am learning a new skill, I try it on one side and then the other >>and just keep flopping around. That way I don't have an off-side. That >>advice won't help you now that you have an off-side for sculling, but the >>next time you start working on something new, give it a try. Agreed. I learned to screw roll with an onside only. It took me until this summer (over 2 years) to learn the offside screw roll. However, I learned to hand roll (whitewater kayak) and C-to-C roll on both sides at the same time. I actually had an offside handroll for 2 years before I got all the mechanics of an offside screw roll down. John Fereira wrote: >Fortunately I did that when I started working on a bow rudder turn. My >left and right side are pretty even. >In a few weeks the outdoor club that I'm affiliated with is going to do >their first pool session. Last year I really got my onside roll solid during >those pool sessions. Although that was in a whitewater boat I think I >only missed two rolls all summer. This year I'll work on my offside roll, >sculling, and my re-entry roll. I learned in a whitewater boat too. (Too hard to get a sea kayak into my local U pool!) I still need to work on a re-entry roll. Are you planning on doing it with or without a paddlefloat? My problem is in re-attaching my sprayskirt while inverted. Speaking of cold water, I rolled the CD Extreme when I was demo'ing it. It is really an easy boat to roll. I have a harder time relaxing in that 45*+ water, but instincts take over, and then rolls happen pretty quick, and without much thinking. Shawn -- 0 © 1999 ____©/______ ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Shawn W. Baker 0 http://www.missoulaconcrete/shawn/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John wrote: >I've worked on my sculling brace and can finally get my head completely >wet. It took awhile to feel comfortable getting my left elbow down so >I'm holding the paddle like I would a pull-up bar. Once I did that I was >able to get a nice, slow, sculling motion. > >Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. >Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace >better? ....Why not use a slightly inflated paddle float on that side until you feel comfortable with the movement? -Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:27 AM 10/16/99 -0400, Bob Volin wrote: >John wrote: >>I've worked on my sculling brace and can finally get my head completely >>wet. It took awhile to feel comfortable getting my left elbow down so >>I'm holding the paddle like I would a pull-up bar. Once I did that I was >>able to get a nice, slow, sculling motion. >> >>Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. >>Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace >>better? >....Why not use a slightly inflated paddle float on that side until you feel >comfortable with the movement? I have used a slightly inflated paddle float to practice a roll but I'm not sure how well it would work for a sculling brace. It would seem to me that it make it really difficult to get a feel for the blade angle. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Fereira wrote: > > At 11:27 AM 10/16/99 -0400, Bob Volin wrote: > >John wrote: > >>I've worked on my sculling brace and can finally get my head completely > >>wet. It took awhile to feel comfortable getting my left elbow down so > >>I'm holding the paddle like I would a pull-up bar. Once I did that I was > >>able to get a nice, slow, sculling motion. > >> > >>Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. > >>Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace > >>better? > >....Why not use a slightly inflated paddle float on that side until you feel > >comfortable with the movement? > > I have used a slightly inflated paddle float to practice a roll but I'm not > sure > how well it would work for a sculling brace. It would seem to me that it > make it really difficult to get a feel for the blade angle. > ************************************************************ You might try the Gaia Swell Ultralite paddle float. It has only one air chamber with the other side made of a mesh material. The inflated side inflates with a bit of articulation. The combination does give you some paddle feel through the mesh and the articulated inflated side flows smoothly over the water. This particular paddle float folds down to next to nothing and has a thin webbing strap with snap buckle. You can very comfortably fold the paddle float down and shove in inside your PFD next to your chest with the webbing strap to make certain it won't come loose from you. It also takes hardly any puffs to inflate. So, in all, you do get some blade feel for sculling and even paddling, something that is hard to do with an ordinary paddle float; it is easy to keep handy on you rather than under deck bungee; and, unless you are extraordinarily heavy or clumsy, will give you more than enough flotation for a self-assist paddle float rescue. I am seeing more and more paddlers around here with them. They do work. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A good way to learn a good sculling brace if you don't have a reliable roll is to start practicing with a paddlefloat attached to the non-submerged paddle blade. This way if you take a dunking, it is pretty easy to roll back up using the float. Another thing that really helped me when learning is to concentrate on your body position, I think most people start off leaning too far forward. You need to lean back quite a ways to go down deep. One other thing that helped me, was simple doing very deep high braces, going down until my head was under water and using a quick high brace to get back up. After doing this for a little while, I was able to hold my self down longer and longer and convert the brace to a scull. Be very careful of your shoulders when practicing high braces, easy to dislocate. -Patrick >At 11:27 AM 10/16/99 -0400, Bob Volin wrote: >>John wrote: >>>I've worked on my sculling brace and can finally get my head completely >>>wet. It took awhile to feel comfortable getting my left elbow down so >>>I'm holding the paddle like I would a pull-up bar. Once I did that I was >>>able to get a nice, slow, sculling motion. >>> >>>Unfortunately I've only been able to do a real good scull on my right side. >>>Can anyone suggest some tricks how to make my offside sculling brace >>>better? >>....Why not use a slightly inflated paddle float on that side until you feel >>comfortable with the movement? > >I have used a slightly inflated paddle float to practice a roll but I'm not >sure >how well it would work for a sculling brace. It would seem to me that it >make it really difficult to get a feel for the blade angle. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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