Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. The Klepper standard rudder on my Aerius I worked well with the same sail. Now I'm trying to make the K1 into a practical sailor. The standard Feathercraft K1 rudder is much smaller and less powerful than the Klepper Aerius I setup. What would be the consequences of (gasp) using the larger blade from the Feathercraft K2 rudder on the K1, perhaps shortened to approximately the same length as the K1 item? Have mercy on my aquatic soul and give me some ideas. Thanks. Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. Corvallis, Oregon *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: > > Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid > all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have > been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the > choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... > > Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh > Batwing > sail. The Klepper standard rudder on my Aerius I worked well > with the > same sail. Now I'm trying to make the K1 into a practical > sailor. The > standard Feathercraft K1 rudder is much smaller and less > powerful than > the Klepper Aerius I setup. What would be the consequences of > (gasp) using the larger > blade from the Feathercraft K2 rudder on the K1, perhaps > shortened to > approximately the same length as the K1 item? > > Have mercy on my aquatic soul and give me some ideas. Thanks. > > Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. > Corvallis, Oregon > Richard, drop a line to the master himself, Mark. I have sent a copy of this to him as well. James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 13:05 10/6/99 -0700, Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: > >Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid >all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have >been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the >choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... > > Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p mark grin, grin, this is fun ;-) thanks list mom!! #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 04:28 PM 10/6/99 +0000, Mark Zen wrote: >At 13:05 10/6/99 -0700, Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: >> >>Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid >>all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have >>been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the >>choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... >> >> Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. > >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this >must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, >you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p > >mark In the book "Alone in the Carribbean" (1917) the sailing canoe Yakaboo did not have a rudder the centerboard was on sheaves and could be slid forward or backwards and was steered with the sails only Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
M.Z. >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, A class of sailing dinghy in France, described in a recent "Wooden Boat" magazine. Alex . . Alex (Sandy) Ferguson Chemistry Department University of Canterbury New Zealand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Oct 6, 18:57, dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote: } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Help a Rudderite sin. > At 04:28 PM 10/6/99 +0000, Mark Zen wrote: > >At 13:05 10/6/99 -0700, Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: > >> > >>Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid > >>all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have > >>been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the > >>choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... > >> > >> Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. > > > >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this > >must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, > >you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p > > In the book "Alone in the Carribbean" (1917) the sailing canoe Yakaboo did > not have a rudder the centerboard was on sheaves and could be slid forward > or backwards and was steered with the sails only Also sailboards don't have rudders. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Myers wrote: > > On Oct 6, 18:57, dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote: > } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Help a Rudderite sin. > > At 04:28 PM 10/6/99 +0000, Mark Zen wrote: > > >At 13:05 10/6/99 -0700, Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: > > >> > > >>Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid > > >>all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have > > >>been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the > > >>choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... > > >> > > >> Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. > > > > > >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this > > >must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, > > >you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p > > > > In the book "Alone in the Carribbean" (1917) the sailing canoe Yakaboo did > > not have a rudder the centerboard was on sheaves and could be slid forward > > or backwards and was steered with the sails only > > Also sailboards don't have rudders. > > ....and neither does a windsurfer..., is this a contest?, the guy wanted some help.... James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 16:13 10/6/99 -0700, Bob Myers wrote: >> At 04:28 PM 10/6/99 +0000, Mark Zen wrote: [snip] >> >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this >> >must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, >> >you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p >> >> In the book "Alone in the Carribbean" (1917) the sailing canoe Yakaboo did >> not have a rudder the centerboard was on sheaves and could be slid forward >> or backwards and was steered with the sails only > >Also sailboards don't have rudders. nope, you are very correct, see what happens when you are not the master, but the student ;-) i meant "direction correction devices" similar to rudder/skeg/fin/leeboards, etc!! mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I once sailed a small sailboat for a few minutes with its designer (VCP founder Frank Goodman at the 1984 Maine Sea Kayak symposium). If I remember correctly you changed the trim to control it. It worked. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Help a Rudderite sin. >At 13:05 10/6/99 -0700, Richard G. Mitchell, Jr. wrote: >> >>Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid >>all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have >>been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the >>choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... >> >> Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh Batwing sail. > >i don't think i have ever seen a sailboat without a rudder, i think this >must fall into the "appropriate use of a tool" catagory, you haven't sinned, >you've been blessed with a gift, to see a use for an otherwise... ;-p > >mark >grin, grin, this is fun ;-) thanks list mom!! > >#------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- >mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. >po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ >ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') >#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ >http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] >Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers >The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page >-- >Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. >--Pablo Picasso > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Richard G. Mitchell, Jr." <mitchelr_at_ucs.orst.edu> > Well I should have read the sermons before piping up in church but amid > all this fervor I did have a question about rudders, that well, may have > been drowned out by the burbling of cavitation and the singing of the > choir. I asked before and now do humbly do so again, about, well... > > Problem: how to sail a Feathercraft K1 with a small Balogh > Batwing > sail. Not sure if this is going to help but here's a URL on kayak sailing (not much about rudders but maybe you can get more info by contacting the author... his contact information can be found on the site) http://www.vision.net/au/~jennings/sail/sail.html Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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