Dear Paddlewisers, Sheeesh! I turn my back for one second, and my wife is sending the list messages. Please excuse her little attempt at addressing my fiscal responsibilities -- or lack thereof (family matters are kind of off-topic). OF COURSE I'm going to PAY the bills, before I get more kayaks, bikes, a Westie and matching van, etc (and put some away for the kid's future educational needs, I might add!). Her problem is she can't keep me tethered, er, make that leashed (better word, right Jed?). Yes, it would have been easier if I had come into the marriage with a well engineered folder that had lots of stability and fit into a nice bag or two or three -- agreed Ralph -- but we both tried to avoid selecting partners with "excess baggage". I have three life insurance policies, and they don't list dangerous sea kayaking as a negator - only river paddling and sky-diving; so Gabriel, if I drown, the house is paid for, she and the kids will be rich, and if she looses 20 lbs, she be back in courting mode! Now that's practical. And sorry Duane, I'm more than likely gonna make my next kayak (a tweaked-out low-volume Outer Island in wood strip, which I intend to paddle in a more gentlemanly-like fashion), so the only endorsement I can give is that the perfect boat is the one you build yourself, to fit yourself. Though, when my other Aunt dies, that carbon-fiber Jubilee just might happen, or maybe a Romany 18, then there's that Capella, or that new Paradigm, I dunno. In the meantime, if Matt comes out with a decent sea kayak, I might consider that too (oooh, that was low, and very much in jest -- some of my best friends paddle Mariners!). Remember ultimately though, it's the paddler that counts the most, and were not talking brawn and bravado - though I have a fair bit of that too. Well, I better get outta her, though I must say Arthur, at least _your_ wife "stood by her man" when she interloped onto the list. Our wives, eh...our friends, our lovers, and apparently, our mothers! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (happily married, but still courting danger and flirting with disaster...gotta go, here she comes) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paddlewisers, I imagine that a lot of people on this list are curious about the kayak Doug is going to buy. I sure am! With the respect he has on this list, the kayak he buys constitutes a huge indorsement. For Doug, I know it will have to be a Brit boat. The North American boats just wouldn't fit his image. My guess is that he will get another Nordkapp. He has been paddling one for so long, he probably can't imagine paddling anything else, and that new Nordkapp Jubilee sure looks hot. I just can't figure out if he would prefer the HM or HS. Anyone else want to venture a guess on which boat Doug will buy? Duane Strosaker <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/pirateseakayaker/index.html">Pirate Sea Kayaker</A> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:32 PM 1/28/00 EST, Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: > >Anyone else want to venture a guess on which boat Doug will buy? > I can see him and Matt Bronze collaborating on a custom job. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: > > Paddlewisers, > > I imagine that a lot of people on this list are curious about the kayak Doug > is going to buy. I sure am! With the respect he has on this list, the kayak > he buys constitutes a huge indorsement. > > For Doug, I know it will have to be a Brit boat. > > Anyone else want to venture a guess on which boat Doug will buy? My guess would be a Feathercraft K-1 or a Klepper Aerius I. Maybe the former as it is from Canada which is kinda British especially the province of Vancouver. But on second thought one of those might not work out for Doug as he would wind up paddling in all his rough water haunts in a kayak that would see him through without much in the way of hairy tales to tell. He would be bored not fighting for survival. Yeah, he better stick to the Nordkapps as they make for better stories. :-) BTW, lest one doubt the pedigree I mention, Klepper Aerius I's were reportedly the first single kayaks to make a _winter_ circumnavigation of Cape Horn (1984-Arved Fuchs and Rainer Neuber); so they would not be out of their element. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>>Anyone else want to venture a guess on which boat Doug will buy?>> IN HIS DREAMS!! Doug is a great guy but he likes to buy gear and he has one to many bills to pay to buy a boat. He has environmental stickers all over the car, but it pollutes the air every time we start it up.I wish he could have a new boat and a planer/jointer and the new canoe, and the new bike he wants but bills first. His loving but practical wife, Yvonne Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yvonne, you may want to consider getting Doug a tether to the house. A planer/jointer is an investment not an expenditure- come to think of it, if Doug is well insured, so are the boats and bike. What is the meaning of that word 'practical'? Doug Lloyd wrote: > > >>Anyone else want to venture a guess on which boat Doug will buy?>> > > IN HIS DREAMS!! Doug is a great guy but he likes to buy gear and he has one > to many bills to pay to buy a boat. He has environmental stickers all over > the car, but it pollutes the air every time we start it up.I wish he could > have a new boat and a planer/jointer and the new canoe, and the new bike > he wants but bills first. > > His loving but practical wife, > > Yvonne Lloyd > -- Gabriel L Romeu http://studiofurniture.com ------------------> furniture http://users.aol.com/romeugp ------------------> paintings, prints, photos and stuff http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR -----------> A Daily Journal of Observations *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug: Write more articles!!! Robert > From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:19:33 -0800 > To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Have money, will buy! > > IN HIS DREAMS!! Doug is a great guy but he likes to buy gear and he has one > to many bills to pay to buy a boat. He has environmental stickers all over > the car, but it pollutes the air every time we start it up.I wish he could > have a new boat and a planer/jointer and the new canoe, and the new bike > he wants but bills first. > > His loving but practical wife, > > Yvonne Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<He has environmental stickers all over the car, but it pollutes the air every time we start it up.> Miss Yvonne, Perhaps Nick Schade could design a new vessel (excuse me I meant to say vehicle) for Doug. Sorry Doug, I guess I flubbed that one. Bruce McC WEO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> > And sorry Duane, I'm more than likely gonna make my next kayak (a > tweaked-out low-volume Outer Island in wood strip, which I intend to paddle > in a more gentlemanly-like fashion), so the only endorsement I can give is > that the perfect boat is the one you build yourself, to fit yourself. I think he just wants to buy that joiner-planer his wife says he can't have. Nothing to do with the best boat, everything to do with tool-aquisition, a disease I have also suffered. Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob said: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> > >> And sorry Duane, I'm more than likely gonna make my next kayak (a >> tweaked-out low-volume Outer Island in wood strip, which I intend to >I think he just wants to buy that joiner-planer his wife says he can't have. >Nothing to do with the best boat, everything to do with tool-aquisition, a >disease I have also suffered. Not fair Bob, you're a cop,and nothing gets by you! And you _are_ correct, tool aquisition IS my reason for living. I already have a planer lined-up, just got to slip the guy some cash and slide the stationary piece of power equipment into the shop when nobody is looking! But, boy, that kayak is gonna be one beautiful strip-built boat. Then I can build my wife one, and smaller versions for the kids, even a double eventually, and hey, even that family canoe my wife says should come first. The planer will pay for itself in no time. I hope they pay you what your worth down there, Bob! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, My condolences to your family on the loss of your Aunt. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/29/00 11:25:12 PM, dlloyd_at_telus.net writes: << Sheeesh! I turn my back for one second, and my wife is sending the list messages. ... Doug Lloyd (happily married, but still courting danger and flirting with disaster...gotta go, here she comes) >> Familiar process, living with someone not quit so addicted has its hazards <G>. Joan Spinner Stuck on frozen land with her boats, Spent the afternoon building a tent over the boats to keep the predicted 1"-3" of ice off Not so worried about the 1"-3" of snow that is supposed to precede the ice *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/30/00 4:29:19 AM !!!First Boot!!!, dlloyd_at_telus.net writes: << , if I drown, the house is paid for, she and the kids will be rich, and if she looses 20 lbs, she be back in courting mode! Now that's practical >> Always on the edge, Dougie. If the good woman finds this passage, we may be reading one more paragraph written about you rather than written by you. ... Doug was an adventuresome soul. Always pushing the envelope. His fiercest paddling experience would have had to have been the spanking dealt him by the hands of Hurricane Yvonne. Bruce McC WEO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Lolyd, now you're really in trouble!!! , and > if she > looses 20 lbs, she be back in courting mode! Now that's practical. > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:52 PM 1/30/00 -0500, volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: >Lolyd, now you're really in trouble!!! Because I said: >> if she >> looses 20 lbs, she be back in courting mode! Now that's practical. My wife is away for the weekend, so if y'all will stop sending e-mails to remind me of my faux paux, she'll never know I said that. And I mean't 15 lbs, not 20, okay? Hopefully if these e-mails continue, Jackie will declare it a "dead horse" before I'm a dead duck! <G> At this point, I'll gladly talk about _anything_ else other than the above topic and resultant chit-chat. Lets talk about people on this list with manic aspirations trying to find the "perfect kayak", or how about why those who paddle folders and claim they are so wonderful are always so defensive -- anything else is fine by me. Sponsons, yeah, that's a good topic, everyone should equip their boat with them... BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (who would have never mentioned his small inheritance if it weren't for the fact that my Auntie died a year ago, GRHS) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > Because I said: > > >> if she > >> looses 20 lbs, she be back in courting mode! Now that's practical. > > My wife is away for the weekend, so if y'all will stop sending e-mails to > remind me of my faux paux, she'll never know I said that. And I mean't 15 > lbs, not 20, okay? > > Hopefully if these e-mails continue, Jackie will declare it a "dead horse" > before I'm a dead duck! <G> > > At this point, I'll gladly talk about _anything_ else other than the above > topic and resultant chit-chat. Amen, this is starting to sound like a Chat Room, which is what happens to paddlers when the waters get hard white in North America and Europe...they decline into chat and dreamed up subjects to ward off cabin fever. Which brings us up to Doug's suggested topics: > Lets talk about people on this list with > manic aspirations trying to find the "perfect kayak", I think it is unfair to use labels like "manic" about other people's desires. That aside, there is likely no such thing as the perfect kayak. People should look around a little bit and then buy something. When you have that something for awhile then you can continue the search with a better set of reference points of what may be more or less perfectly suitable to you. Also one should be careful in listening to recommendations unless the source has lots of experiences with lots of boats of the type. Otherwise you are getting one person's personal limited view. Also you need to know what type paddler he or she is, what kind of paddling they like to do, etc. and see if it matches up realistically with what you do or are going to do. To borrow from what I hear from my scientist friends, solutions are all in asking the right questions. > or how about why > those who paddle folders and claim they are so wonderful are always so > defensive. Hmmm, now I have to contend with the sarcasm of the way "wonderful" is used and the negative connotation of the word "defensive." But you do ask why and you deserve an answer. Why? The boats are better than a lot of paddlers, experienced as well as newcomers, give them credit for. Any attempt at pointing such things out, I guess can look defensive. I am probably the most guilty here but if you have had to put up with the litany of stuff I have heard and still hear, you might appreciate why. For example, I constantly hear the rap that you shouldn't buy a folding kayak because you have to assemble it all the time. People who say that don't realize that you can leave them assembled for long stretches of time if you have a place to store one that way and then you can cartop them like everybody else. "What! You can cartop them?" Yes, you can. As I say this I am looking at a 1950 photo of an assembled folding kayak being car topped on an old jalopy of the period. That is 20 years before fiberglass hardshell kayaks began to be produced in any numbers and 10 years before any one was making even small workshop-built ones. Oh, yeah, and this was long before Thule and Yakima racks were first made. It is perfectly okay not to like or want a folding kayak, but do so for reasons that reflect reality and not misconception. > Sponsons, yeah, that's a good > topic, everyone should equip their boat with them... Attachable sponsons have their uses as I think a number of individuals on this list will attest to. We would not be joking around about them if it were not for the way a certain individual went overboard in promoting them. And that is most unfortunate as they are a reasonably valid backup system for emergencies. They are certainly a worthwhile thing for a group trip to have along if someone is injured or sick. Oh if things really go wrong. I remember reading awhile back in SK an account I think by you when things went nuts and you got into one of those little emergency rafts (I forget the name). Please forgive me for being fuzzy on the details but I believe you failed to roll and backups weren't working, etc. Perhaps a set of external sponsons would have helped you in that situation. Or that couple in Maine mentioned in a more recent SK article who went over in open water near where a river runs out. Sponsons probably would have made what turned out to be a life-threatening ordeal into just a mildly unpleasant experience. I can't remember whether you were on PaddleWise right after the Wavelength fiasco over sponsons spurred Jackie and others, me included, to get this listserve started. Once freed of the pestering, accusations and personal attacks by that fellow, the discussions on sponsons give them a more realistic airing including from individuals who had been attacked viciously on Wavelength for questioning anything about sponsons. Hmm, shift the discussion from spouse to sponson. Very clever, Doug! :-) saludos, ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . 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