G'Day, Wow - so many mistakes and so little time! Thanks everyone for all the advice it was greatly appreciated, I'm still trying to read all the email. I've already fallen foul of a camp cooking error, during a trial run, in which I mistakenly assumed that pasta cooked in beer over an emergency stove would be as happy a combination as red wine added to a stew - it isn't. Various camping partners in folly have pointed out that it was a waste of perfectly good beer. Anyway I wil be studying all the advice carefully, replying individually back channel, and thanks again for all the lists. Will report some entirely different mistakes on my return. All the best, PeterO PS Sandy I'm a bit shorter when carrying the Pittarak! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Peter Said > Now I am about to embark on an equally hazardous initiation - but with no > prior expewrience of any kind. IE the first time in my life to go camping > - > Could anyone volunteer the three worst mistakes I could make? Its part of > a > sea kayak trip from Sydney (Australia) to Newcastle (Australia). > Peter I would just make one suggestion. make a list and use it to check of your camping gear before putting it in the car. WIth 20 bushwalking and 10 years camping from canoes and kayakers I find I still forget things. So I have a list for kayaking, hiking, XC skiing etc. I check everything off before I put it into bags or backpacks. If you want a list for kayaking I will gladly forward one on to you. I grew up near Newcastle on the shores of Lake Macquarie. My parents gave me a canoe when I was 9 and they got so sick of me getting up early on the weekends to go fishing out of it that they knocked out my window and put in a door Cheers David *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> If you want a list for kayaking I will gladly forward one on to you. David, Would you post the list on PW. Then we can perhaps all work on refining it a bit. (If this has already been done, sorry. . . in which case, David, would you please email me your list.) Thanks. Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I can send you my latest one which is one I adjusted for a 5 week expedition I did earlier this year around the coastline of Tasmania. You can just delete what you wouldn't carry. Its a a Word document so I can send to you direct. I don't think Jackie likes us to send attachments on the list. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sailboat Restorations, Inc. > [SMTP:sailboatrestorations_at_worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, 14 August 2000 23:26 > To: Whyte, David; 'Peter Osman'; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camping - 3 worst mistakes > > > If you want a list for kayaking I will gladly forward one on to you. > > David, > > Would you post the list on PW. Then we can perhaps all work on refining > it > a bit. (If this has already been done, sorry. . . in which case, David, > would you please email me your list.) Thanks. > > Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 08/14/2000 4:40:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rebyl_kayak_at_hotmail.com writes: << Could anyone volunteer the three worst mistakes I could make? Its part of a sea kayak trip from Sydney (Australia) to Newcastle (Australia). >> 1. Forgetting to bring the wine! We find that Chateau le Cardboard is great. You dump the box and are left with a bladder and "faucet." 2. Forgetting bug repellent, head net, tent with four no-see'um mesh windows. Of course if it's winter, disregard! 3. Forgetting the corkscrew if you ignore the advice in #1! Seriously, Peter, have a great time. PS It's miserable to be cold in your tent so my next 3 pieces of advice are: 1. Microfleece - leggings and vest 2. Polartec 200 fleece jacket 3. Coolmax T-shirts - long and short-sleeved. Oh, take a Therm-a-rest or similar self-inflating mattress. You're tall and skinny so get the full-length one. You might be tolerably comfortable on the Ultra-lite which is the thinnest and less bulky. Of course the regular thickness will be that much more comfy. Check out www.campmor.com for a gander at what we have available here. Their prices are pretty good. They sell a small fleece pillow case that you stuff with clothing to make a pillow. Solumbra (don't know if that is their dot com address also) makes clothing that protects from the sun. Firms like travelsmith.com also carry shirts made out of this fabric. Can't wait for the trip report. Safe trip. sandy kramer who thinks that polartec fleece is the best thing since sliced bread miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This is turning into a "what do you carry camping" thread, which interests me, as I have been trying to fine-tune my lists. . . I like Ralph's approach re minimalism. Coming from backpacking, I was thrilled to realize how much gear a kayak can carry. So I bought just about everything I could find that would fit -- folding chairs and tables, screen tent, larger tent, etc etc etc. On a recent three-day (solo) camping trip, I left most of it behind, and didn't miss it. Just my smallest tent, Whisperlite and a little fuel, basic foods, water, Gatorade, Crazy Creek, bag, mini-Thermarest and a book (which I never opened). I was quite happy with this. A couple of things that I will carry on future trips (keep in mind I'm getting old and soft): (1) a hammock, which I got at Kittery Trading Post for $11.95 -- one of the best purchases I ever made (ahhh, now that's luxury); (2) a "camp shower" by Cascade Designs -- I always regarded those things as stupid, but this one is good quality and I found it worthwhile; (3) a full-size Therma-Rest -- I had the little one (in the old days, I didn't carry any such thing at all, being a tough guy...), but it just wasn't quite enough for these old bones (which was made worse on the first night I used it because I forgot that you have to blow the things up (duh); (4) a good pillow of some sort (which I haven't bought yet but will, being, as I said, old and soft now); (5) my little Coleman battery powered "lantern" - I felt silly buying this "car camping" relif, but it was great in the tent at night, no worry about flames etc.; (6) some wine in a Nalgene bottle; (7) at least some of my nature field guides -- to me, that is still one of the greatest pleasures of camping; the books help me identify the world around me (trees, bugs, birds, etc), and help me to focus on that world, rather than the one I left behind; they weigh a lot, but are worth it (also carry pad and pencil to take notes); (8) a variety of footwear (eg, I have some mocassins that are great for in the tent and when I first get out of it; walking shoes for short hikes, Tevas for walking out into the water to bath, wash dishes, etc). . . There are lots of other items that are obviously essential. I listed these because they may not be on everyone's list. . . . Oh, biggest mistakes: forgetting matches (argggghh!), forgetting soap, forgetting TP (I carry paper towels in a zip-lock bag). Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: "Whyte, David" <DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au> > > I can send you my latest one which is one I adjusted for a 5 week expedition > I did earlier this year around the coastline of Tasmania. You can just > delete what you wouldn't carry. Its a a Word document so I can send to you > direct. I don't think Jackie likes us to send attachments on the list. Can't you copy and past it into your message? All attachments are deleted by a global filter (all lists on InteleNet). It is to prevent the attachment of jpegs and gifs and also viruses. 8-} Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 08/14/2000 12:48:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sailboatrestorations_at_worldnet.att.net writes: << (1) a hammock, which I got at Kittery Trading Post for $11.95 -- one of the best purchases I ever made (ahhh, now that's luxury); >> I checked them out to look for a picture of your hammock. I have a string hammock, but it's pretty painful when it cuts into your skin. Have to put a sheet or something underneath. Is that the same kind? Peter0, they don't sell online yet, but check out the camping/hiking section, they have a backpacking list. Also, check out tents. The Eureka Zephyr is a very popular backpacking tent. It's lightweight (3 lbs 9 oz) and is 8' long by 36" wide. (Peter is about 6'4", I believe) The original one has two peaked "gables: so you can see out; the downside is that if you are in very strong winds the wind could get under the peaks. The XT model comes with a to-the-ground rainfly with a vestibule; i.e. the fly extends and provides you with a dry spot to leave gear and, if necessary, cook in inclement weather while you are still inside the tent. A front porch, if you will. The Backpacker magzine review (1998, I think, though might be '99) of the first XT said that the manufacturers neglected to put any protection over the zipper and water did leak through to the vestibule area. Perhaps they have corrected it now. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I described > << (1) a hammock, which I got at Kittery Trading Post > for $11.95 -- one of the best purchases I ever made (ahhh, now that's > luxury); >> And Sandy said: > > I checked them out to look for a picture of your hammock. I have a string > hammock, but it's pretty painful when it cuts into your skin. Have to put a > sheet or something underneath. Is that the same kind? I dunno. Mine is certainly made of some sort of "string." But I don't find it uncomfortable (maybe I'm not quite as old as soft as you <g>). It has removably plastic "spreaders" at each end; if you take them off, it's even lighter and smaller to pack, but I liked the spreaders, as they keep the ends wider and make entry easier. I've not checked out the KTP website, but I have the impression that a lot of items in there come and go with availability. . . . Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Everglades: 1. Don't forget bug spray 2. Don't forget bug spray 3. Don't forget bug spray *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Hi Mark. >How durable is the Walmart cook set? [ ] Hi Mike, I really don't know yet. It seems quite durable. I've only used it a few times so far. No complaints. Like I said, it was around $10. I, too, like to use quality gear, and don't necessarily balk at pricey stuff if it seems like the best. But stare as I might at cookware and I couldn't figure that any of the expensive stuff at LL Store and places like that was really any better. Viva Walmart! Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 08/14/2000 2:55:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes: << Sandy mentioned the Eureka Zephyr. I have the earliest version without vestibules and it works just fine. An excellent one-person tent at a good weight and price with sit-up room for a six footer. >> I have the same one. Forgot to mention the price: about $109 USD (Kittery's price). For a five-footer there's plenty of room for my backpack at the bottom. :) sandy kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 08/14/2000 3:31:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sailboatrestorations_at_worldnet.att.net writes: << It has removable plastic "spreaders" at each end; if you take them off, it's even lighter and smaller to pack, but I liked the spreaders, as they keep the ends wider and make entry easier. >> The spreader's sound great. I'll try and contact Kittery for more info. thanks *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
sailboatrestorations_at_worldnet.att.net writes: << It has removable plastic "spreaders" at each end; if you take them off, it's even lighter and smaller to pack, but I liked the spreaders, as they keep the ends wider and make entry easier. >> The spreaders were added to diminish potential for danger (strangulation) to small children. Bruce McC WEO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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