Weeeell - if it is only fifty to become qualified for AARP (whatever it is), then I am qualified. Hey, another young senior here, regards from Germany Frank Je umsichtiger die Planung, desto treffsicherer der Zufall. Frank Fichtmueller, Guetebohlweg 4, D 78343 Gaienhofen (d) evkirche.hoeri_at_t-online.de (p) fichtmueller_at_gmx.de (T) (0049) + 7735 - 2074 (d) 2776 (p) (F) 1431 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
YOU GO, GIRL!!!! Pat, it might be a chicken-and-egg thing. Since they don't advertise a seniors category, senior paddlers don't even bother to THINK about entering any races. Perhaps, we need to do a local paddlers email blitz asking the outfitter to establish the new category. Of course, since (if you're using 60 as the bench mark!), I'm way too young... I wouldn't qualify! OK OK..... not "way" - but I don't do races anyway:) sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01-01-25 04:44:36 EST, rjmatter_at_PRODIGY.NET writes: << I'd say anyone who qualifies for membership in AARP (55 years) deserves to all the rights, privileges, (and discounts) of being a senior. >> Aw shucks! There goes my excuse, but I've got news for you....50 is the eligibility age for AARP. Now, let's see.....I've been a member for nearly 5 years..... sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 01-01-25 04:44:36 EST, rjmatter_at_PRODIGY.NET writes: > > << I'd say anyone who qualifies for membership in AARP (55 years) deserves to > all the rights, privileges, (and discounts) of being a senior. >> > > Aw shucks! There goes my excuse, but I've got news for you....50 is the > eligibility age for AARP. > > Now, let's see.....I've been a member for nearly 5 years..... > > sandy kramer > miami Mea culpa! Jack Martin told me it was 50, too. *Gulp* I can't beleive I'm so close to reaching AARP age! We need to come with a slogan, "Old kayakers don't die. They just ______________." to stick on our walkers. -Bob Matter Hammond, IN ----------- "The earth does not belong to us, we belong to the earth." -Chief Seattle *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:05 AM 1/25/01 EST, Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 01-01-25 04:44:36 EST, rjmatter_at_PRODIGY.NET writes: > ><< I'd say anyone who qualifies for membership in AARP (55 years) deserves to > all the rights, privileges, (and discounts) of being a senior. >> > >Aw shucks! There goes my excuse, but I've got news for you....50 is the >eligibility age for AARP. > >Now, let's see.....I've been a member for nearly 5 years..... I gotta admit to some serious mixed emotions when that AARP card showed up in the mail. On one hand, the discounts are nice. On the other hand . . . I don't particularly care for what it signifys. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quick side note on this thread..... Age brackets certainly have their place, but as you are all well aware, they aren't always an indicator of skill and ability. In my early 30's, I was doing a little running, and decided to enter a 5K race. It was a small local event, but nontheless, I was pretty proud of myself when I finished about 7th of almost 30 in my Age and Gender bracket, which I think was Male ages 30-35. Ahhh, make that I'm sure about the male part, but not sure about the age range. Anyway....It didn't last long though..... as I read down the results list, I discovered that the top 3 finishers in the Womens 65 and older category cleaned my clock!!!! :-) And I mean cleaned it but GOOD!! "Senior" paddlers? Hah! I'd still be embarrased to race a lot them - some put us "youngsters" to shame :-) Rick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Rick Sylvia wrote: > > Quick side note on this thread..... > > Age brackets certainly have their place, but as you are all well aware, they > aren't always an indicator of skill and ability. Let me add my own revelation of this back in the late 1950s. I was on a Junior Year Abroad program in Santiago Chile. A fellow student from Dobbs Ferry were huffing and puffing on a walk up San Cristobal, a hill overlooking the city. As we agonized up the path, a Chilean man well into his 60s wearing a suit, hat and carrying a walking stick breezed by us as if we were turtles. My friend was a jock and I was a good walker. A little later that week, I was jumping off of trolley when I almost bumped into the most gorgeous woman I had ever seen. She was leggy and wearing a dress suit and was well into her 50s. So at 20 or so I learned something about age and what I might look forward to. I have not been disappointed now that I am 62. Kayaking is especially generous to older people. I get calls and email all the time with some phrase like "I just turned 50 and was wondering whether I could start kayaking..." Yes, you can and much older. The two oldest kayakers I know are past 85 and still going strong. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/25/01 5:23:59 PM, Rick.Sylvia_at_ferginc.com writes: << as I read down the results list, I discovered that the top 3 finishers in the Womens 65 and older category cleaned my clock!!!! :-) And I mean cleaned it but GOOD!! "Senior" paddlers? Hah! I'd still be embarrased to race a lot them - some put us "youngsters" to shame :-) >> The fastest paddler that I know in real life is over 60. At 15 years his junior I'm continually embarrassed to admit that I can't keep up with him. I worked hard to convince myself that it's the boat, but somehow I'm just not buying that excuse. Jed - "SpeedLump" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] > >Mea culpa! Jack Martin told me it was 50, too. *Gulp* I can't beleive I'm so >close to reaching AARP age! We need to come with a slogan, "Old kayakers don't >die. They just ______________." to stick on our walkers. > >-Bob Matter >Hammond, IN Old kayakers never die, they just fail to roll up. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bravo! Bravo! > ---------- > From: Chuck Holst[SMTP:cholst_at_bitstream.net] > > Old kayakers never die, they just fail to roll up. > > Chuck Holst > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:47 AM 1/28/01 +0100, Frank Fichtmüller wrote: >Weeeell - if it is only fifty to become qualified for AARP (whatever it is), >then I am qualified. AARP -- American Association of Retired Persons -- is basically a big lobbying group with a lot of clout. You gualify at 50, get a free membership card and a lot of junk mail. However, their membership card offers pretty good discounts at places like motels -- save a buck/mark where you can, right? -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wes Boyd said: <<<< gotta admit to some serious mixed emotions when that AARP card showed up in the mail. On one hand, the discounts are nice. On the other hand . . . I don't particularly care for what it signifys. >>>> Up here in kayak land, we call senior paddlers "easykayakers". Well, actually, I know a group of mature paddlers who have formed a commercial sort of enterprise (not sure how commercial it is), but I like their philosophy of promoting safer and easier routes for less athletic paddlers, families, and such -- of any age group. Their web site is: <http://www.island.net/~pgrey/> No financial ties here. I just think it is good to be inclusive of everyone. DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > Up here in kayak land, we call senior paddlers "easykayakers". I've been amused by the trend of this thread and inspired by the described prowess/exploits of some of the "oldsters" and "disadvantaged" folks detailed on Paddlewise. Two thoughts: 1. I've been young, dumb, and strong. I am now old, canny, and weak(er). I'll take the latter, any day. 2. There is an old saying we used to use when we played three-on-three power volleyball: "Old age and treachery will conquer youth and skill any day." We did, too. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR old and treacherous *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Remember that the alternative to growing old isn't exactly pleasant, i.e. dying off!!! Age is what you make of it. There is absolutely no reason to be slowing down. In fact, age brings an interesting stage of life...you don't feel a need to put up with anyone's bullshit! There is nothing to prove. No fascade to keep up. It is a glorious time of life with no pretenses. You have either done what you were going to do with your life...or you haven't, and are pretty much resigned to it. The sea knows no age. We are all alien on its waters no matter how sleek a kayak we paddle or level of skill. The best way to blend in to its majesty and forces is to let go of ourselves and that seems to be something older folk can do best, i.e. the nothing-to-prove point mentioned above. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lloyd" <dlloyd_at_telus.net> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net>; "Wes Boyd" <boydwe_at_dmci.net> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Senior paddlers, how many are there > Wes Boyd said: > > <<<< > gotta admit to some serious mixed emotions when that AARP card showed up > > in the mail. On one hand, the discounts are nice. On the other hand . . > . > I don't particularly care for what it signifys. > >>>> > > Up here in kayak land, we call senior paddlers "easykayakers". Well, > actually, I know a group of mature paddlers who have formed a commercial > sort of enterprise (not sure how commercial it is), but I like their > philosophy of promoting safer and easier routes for less athletic > paddlers, families, and such -- of any age group. Their web site is: > > <http://www.island.net/~pgrey/> > > No financial ties here. I just think it is good to be inclusive of > everyone. > > DL > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger said: <<<< I've been amused by the trend of this thread and inspired by the described prowess/exploits of some of the "oldsters" and "disadvantaged" folks detailed on Paddlewise. Two thoughts: 1. I've been young, dumb, and strong. I am now old, canny, and weak(er). I'll take the latter, any day. 2. There is an old saying we used to use when we played three-on-three power volleyball: "Old age and treachery will conquer youth and skill any day." We did, too. >>>> When you are old and treacherous, what else are you going to say? :-) DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:11 PM 1/30/01 -0800, Doug Lloyd wrote: >Dave Kruger said: > >When you are old and treacherous, what else are you going to say? :-) > > I forget. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Fereira wrote: > At 09:11 PM 1/30/01 -0800, Doug Lloyd wrote: > >Dave Kruger said: > > > > >When you are old and treacherous, what else are you going to say? :-) > > > > > I forget. Oh sorry, my reply to Dave should have been in big print: WHEN YOU ARE OLD AND TREACHEROUS, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? :-) ...couldn't resist. Thanks for the chuckle too, John. I think Dave has it all together though -- he just can't remember where he put it! DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger said: <<<< I've been amused by the trend of this thread and inspired by the described prowess/exploits of some of the "oldsters" and "disadvantaged" folks detailed on Paddlewise. Two thoughts: 1. I've been young, dumb, and strong. I am now old, canny, and weak(er). I'll take the latter, any day. 2. There is an old saying we used to use when we played three-on-three power volleyball: "Old age and treachery will conquer youth and skill any day." We did, too. >>>> When you are old and treacherous, what else are you going to say? :-) DL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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