joan spinner: i KNEW those aol discs were good for something. good idea. my husband is going to try your compass mount! kcd kathleen comalli dillon~friend, mom, wife, musician, violinist, writer, ailurophile extraordinaire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We can do no great things; we can only do small things with great love."-Mother Teresa~~"I find a lot of people like chubby 67-year-old girls."-Beverly Sills~~"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it."-Abraham Lincoln~~"Prepare to be assimila-----OOOOOoooooo, jelly donuts!"-Homer of Borg~~"I am Boris of Borg. Moose and Squirrel are irrelevant."~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 2/13/01 2:12:27 AM, timbre_at_spiger.com writes: << i KNEW those aol discs were good for something. good idea. my husband is going to try your compass mount! >> The foam was the big thing to me because it was easier to form to the shape of the deck than wood and easier on the gelcoat if it moves around at all. If I was using wood, I wouldn't need the CDs. The shock cord was a bit hard. I used one piece made into 2 loops with hooks on them and carved the foam so the stuff would lie flat in the foam and then glued the cord into the foam before mounting the compass. So far, so good. Joan Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
JSpinner_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/13/01 2:12:27 AM, timbre_at_spiger.com writes: > > << i KNEW those aol discs were good for something. good idea. my husband is > going to try your compass mount! >> > > The foam was the big thing to me because it was easier to form to the > shape of the deck than wood and easier on the gelcoat if it moves around at > all. If I was using wood, I wouldn't need the CDs. Joan, I think the cd idea is really fine, but if you ever want to use wood try lightly spray gluing sandpaper on to the deck where you want the compass and push the piece of wood back and forth in line between the bow point and stern- an 80 grit with cedar should make quick work of it. YOu can also use this method for contouring a custom fit with foam. -- Gabriel L Romeu http://studiofurniture.com İİİİİ furniture from the workshop http://studiofurniture.com/diary İİİİİ life as a tourist, daily journal http://studiofurniture.com/paint İİİİİ paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
An alternate way to get a good fit is to to cover the deck where you want the compass with plastic wrap, paint epoxy resin on the bottom of the mount after it has been rough-shaped, and then press it into place on top of the plastic wrap. When it has set, remove the mount and the plastic wrap, and trim the excess resin. Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel L Romeu [SMTP:romeug_at_erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:12 AM To: JSpinner_at_aol.com Cc: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] finally: a use for aol Joan, I think the cd idea is really fine, but if you ever want to use wood try lightly spray gluing sandpaper on to the deck where you want the compass and push the piece of wood back and forth in line between the bow point and stern- an 80 grit with cedar should make quick work of it. YOu can also use this method for contouring a custom fit with foam. -- Gabriel L Romeu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I am sitting here coming to the realization that I probably am not going to even be able to take a week's vacation this year. Staunch in my denial, I'm sitting here thinking about big trips -- ones lasting, oh, two or three months. Maybe a solo, once in a lifetime adventure. So, for the sake of curiosity: Suppose that, through some unexpected reason, you have the option to take a two or three month kayak trip. The chance is unique, and probably won't come again, so you want it to be a memorable, "trip of a lifetime". You have an adequate amount of cash available for the trip, if you are moderately careful. Where do you go? What would you do? Why? Would you consider doing the trip solo? How would you organize the trip? Handle supplies? What boat would you want? Come on, folks, it's still winter out there. Let's have some dreams! -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wes Boyd wrote: So, for the sake of curiosity: Suppose that, through some unexpected reason, you have the option to take a two or three month kayak trip. The chance is unique, and probably won't come again, so you want it to be a memorable, "trip of a lifetime". You have an adequate amount of cash available for the trip, if you are moderately careful. Where do you go? What would you do? Why? Would you consider doing the trip solo? How would you organize the trip? Handle supplies? What boat would you want? Come on, folks, it's still winter out there. Let's have some dreams! -- Wes For me the ultimate trip would be to the Gulf of Tonkin in Viet Nam. I have seen pictures and videos of the area and it is one of the most beautiful and fascinating areas I have ever seen. The Gulf of Tonkin was formed when the sea eroded away the limestone in the area, leaving hundreds of islands with near vertical cliffs over a hundred feet tall. In places the islands are donut shaped, with caves leading into the center of the island. Then there are the people that live in the area. Theirs is a boat culture, they live their entire lives on the boats only coming ashore for needed supplies. I would like to learn more about these people and their value system. Would I travel there alone? No, and for a couple of reasons. First is that I am a social paddler, I enjoy paddling with others more than I like paddling solo. Second is that I would want to share this trip with someone special, shared experiences are the glue that bonds a relationship together. The third reason is that the area still hasn't stabilized after the Viet Nam war, leaving many areas controlled by "opportunists." A guide familiar with the area and the locals would be a necessity, not a luxury. What boat would I take? My Kajak Sport Viviane would handle that trip real well, and I am comfortable with it. As for organizing the trip and supplies I would be asking the advice of the guide for much of that. Not that I would be leaving it up to the guide, but being familiar with the area the guide would know of any special gear or precautions to take. There was a guide at the L. L. Bean Symposium last year that does just such a trip. He gets all the people in contact with each other and they plan everything together. They use the guide's experience to make sure that they don't forget anything but all of the actual planning is done by the participants (inside an itinerary set by the guide). The whole thing is run more like an expedition rather than a guide service. Mike -- Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space. Mark H Hunt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wes Boyd wrote: > Suppose that, through some unexpected reason, you have the option to take a > two or three month kayak trip. [snip] > Where do you go? What would you do? Why? Would you consider doing the trip > solo? How would you organize the trip? Handle supplies? What boat would you > want? This is too tempting to pass up. Like Wes, I'll probably never actually do a trip like this one, being a "prisoner" of my obligations. My trip? Couple options, both focused on the rain forest coast of North America. 1. One-way sojourn headed south from Glacier Bay, Alaska, wending a way among the many islands in SE Alaska, ending in Prince Rupert. This would be more of a wandering odyssey than a hell-for-leather bull through to the end effort. Never been here, so one objective would be to see this amazing country. 2. Slow out-and-back exploration of the east side of Moresby Island in the Charlottes, lapping around the southern end into some of the inlets on the west side. I'd start and end in Moresby Camp, and avoid the concentrations of people near Ninstints, Hot Spring Island, and the like. This is surprisingly easy to do in the Charlottes. I've been there before a few times, but never had the time I've wanted to take. Both of these trips would be at a leisurely pace. I would not have hard and fast goals, and would spend a lot of time poking around inlets and bays a faster trip would ignore. A compatible partner might be difficult to locate, so it is likely I'd be doing this alone. Solo trips do not intimidate me, although after a few days alone I miss the companionship of others. Going solo makes me focus on my surroundings better. I see better, hear better, and reflect more thoroughly. A long trip like this would put me into a slower rhythm. I think I'd come to equilibrium with the seascape/landscape. On shorter trips, it is tough to achieve that. (A couple summers ago a young woman circumnavigating Vancouver Island (Hailey ...?) happened on our camp in Barkley Sound. We shared some soup with her as she narrated her adventure. Her affect impressed me ... "serene" does not quite capture it.) In both of these places logistics would be fairly easy, resupplying in the occasional settlement in SE Alaska, or arranging for food dropoffs from one of the outfitters in the Charlottes. For the SE Alaska trip, I probably would pre-arrange food resupply (ship food to places I expected to land). Boat? If solo, my Eddyline Wind Dancer ("the cargo barge"): carries a lot, is comfy to paddle, has great primary stability to make wildlife observation easy, and is a pretty dry ride. If traveling with another companion, I'd consider a double, probably the Pygmy Osprey Double I'm building. Might not want to be "married" to a double for that long. It would work if my SO were in the front seat, but she can't get 2 months off work ... and she would not tolerate 2 months in the **rain** forest very well, anyway. BTW, rain does not bother me any more, if I can live at the pace demanded in a rainy climate. In fact, I really like the way everything changes as a system moves through the coast. I love watching it clear up after a couple days of dreck. It's cathartic as hell! Thanks, Wes, for the chance to dream! And, the rest of you, let's hear yours! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:41 AM 2/15/01 -0800, Dave Kruger wrote: >Wes Boyd wrote: > >> Suppose that, through some unexpected reason, you have the option to take a >> two or three month kayak trip. [snip] >> Where do you go? What would you do? Why? Would you consider doing the trip >> solo? How would you organize the trip? Handle supplies? What boat would you >> want? > >This is too tempting to pass up. Like Wes, I'll probably never actually do a >trip like this one, being a "prisoner" of my obligations. My trip? Couple >options, both focused on the rain forest coast of North America. I've had a couple of back channel responses talking about the Mississippi or Missouri/Mississippi that I wish people had sent to the list -- especially since if the chance were to come at this point would probably be initial response. I sort of like the idea of starting the Mississippi right at Lake Itasca, and going clear down to Pilottown. But, I keep thinking the Missouri, too, starting up at Three Forks and going all the way. In both cases, I'd probably just resupply as I went along. I figure that I'd probably go solo, mostly because I don't mind it, but partly because its unlikely that I'd be able to come up with someone compatible that would be able to meet my schedule. Given more time -- 18+ months -- put in on Lake Erie, up through the great lakes to Chicago, down the Mississipi to New Orleans, east on the gulf intracoastal, north on the Atlantic Intracoastal, then either back to Lake Erie via the Erie Canal, or north through Lake Champlain, Lake Ontario, the Trent and Severn, and then back to the starting point through Lake Huron. Now, that would be a trip! Somewhere around 6500 miles by rough estimate. Just to tweak around with it a bit, I probably wouldn't want to head south of Chicago much before the first part of September to avoid summer heat in the south, so backing off to maybe the Trent and Severn to start earlier in the year might have some points. You'd be looking at going 350-400 miles per month, so there'd be plenty of time to be weathered in or to goof around without killer days every day. Of course, given the time involved and the location, it'd be tempting to use a bigger boat, such as a small sailboat. Although it would be more comfortable, it would also be more expensive. But there are so many other possibilties, depending on time and money. If I had just a month, Georgian Bay and the North Channel of Lake Huron would rise to the top of the list. If it had to be in winter, probably something in Florida, involving canals, rivers, and the Atlantic Intracoastal. On a longer trip, the inside passage and Newfoundland come to mind quickly. Or, dinking around on European canals. I note that most of this is largely protected water. While others might want to do trips that are exposed, looking at largely protected water reflects my skill level, and taking advantage of the relative speed and cargo capacity of the kayak, mixed with its capability to handle rough stuff, but not looking for the rough stuff for its own sake. It makes you wonder how people can manage to get free for such big trips and finance them. Although I would have difficulty with the getting free, I could probably manage a month or two trip financially, if it were a one-shot deal. A couple of years, like the big trip mentioned above, well, that's another animal. I know a guy who is a really serious hiking bum. He probably spends 200-250 days a year on long hikes each year. But, for him, its a life style. He works a few months while he lives with his brother in the winter to grubstake the next years hiking. If I'd had the foresight at age 20 or 25, I could have made a life like that, but there's no way I could convert now without hitting the lotto. Ah, to have had 20-20 foresight instead of hindsight! -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When I dream of a big trip I always wind up in SE AK and BC. I long to make the trip from Glacier Bay to the WA coast. It would take a while, and I would want to see some of the pieces I haven't yet visited...maybe a side trip to the Charlottes?? Of course I would want to meet some of the SE AK and BC posters to the list-serve, as well. The trip would probably be solo out of necessity, but that doesn't mean I would not like the companionship. It is just that distance compatible companions are tough to find and my favorites are all spoken for this coming summer. But, who knows, maybe the enticement of another long trip could bring them out. Anybody game? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
See http://communities.msn.com/RichWendysAwayFromHomePage for trip planning information, route, maps, etc for one "big dream" , Nueltin Lake on the MB/Nunavut border this summer. There are also trip reports on "completed big dreams", ie 2000 on the Hiukitak River/Bathurst Inlet on the Canadian Central Arctic coast, and more big dreams stretching back for several years with photos and maps. Rich *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: <snip Wes's comments and most of dave's> <<< BTW, rain does not bother me any more, if I can live at the pace demanded in a rainy climate. In fact, I really like the way everything changes as a system moves through the coast. I love watching it clear up after a couple days of dreck. It's cathartic as hell! Thanks, Wes, for the chance to dream! And, the rest of you, let's hear yours! <<< I'd paddle around the continent of Africa, full circumnavigation. I'd do it in an epoxy carbonfibre Nordkapp Jubilee, with an offshore tender available along the Diamond Coast/Skull Coastline. I used to fantasize about that trip as a young man. Now it is a faint dream...Maybe in another life. In the mean time, just getting out for a day trip is a challenge this month. Doug the Dreamer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Big Trip Dreams >.... an epoxy carbonfibre Nordkapp Jubilee, with an offshore tender .... Given the restricted cargo space of the Nordkap, long tripp supplies has always been a mayor concern for me. Many times I fantasized with the idea of a "floating Bantam" to carry more stuff while keep enjoying the Nordkap excellent seaworthiness. Did you ever tried something like this ??? How did it afect your paddling ??? I have to tow other kayakers from time to time, and even using combined elastic/rigid ropes, this is something I never like to do any longer. Any coments ??? Fernando Lopez Arbarello Kayak Argentina - Sea Kayaking Mailing List www.topica.com/lists/kayak_argentina kayak_argentina_at_uol.com.ar *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Fernando said: - ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Big Trip Dreams >.... an epoxy carbonfibre Nordkapp Jubilee, with an offshore tender .... Given the restricted cargo space of the Nordkap, long trip supplies has always been a mayor concern for me. Many times I fantasized with the idea of a "floating Bantam" to carry more stuff while keep enjoying the Nordkap excellent seaworthiness. Did you ever tried something like this ??? How did it afect your paddling ??? I have to tow other kayakers from time to time, and even using combined elastic/rigid ropes, this is something I never like to do any longer. Any coments ??? Good to hear from you Fernando. Hope all is well. A couple of comments re above. I mentioned the off-shore tender only because there are areas along the west coast of Africa where landing is restricted. One wouldn't want to get shot by some diamond mine security guard. Though with a kevlar kayak, one might have a bit of protection :-) As far as storage capacity, it doesn't matter what size kayak you take along, they are all going to have a limit, whether its 2 weeks or 3 weeks worth of gear and food. As far as towing a floating barge behind with food and excess gear, I'd rather paddle a double on my own - with the extra gear and definitely a sail. Though, I had a friend who spent 3 weeks in the Queen Charlotte Islands, who employed this method as a way of avoiding food dumps, etc. He said he was rather bored and said he would never do a trip like that again. Apparently he missed the performance of his single (and this is a very low-key guy, not some adventure freak). Best wishes, Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Big Trip Dreams > Where do you go? What would you do? Why? Would you consider doing the trip > solo? How would you organize the trip? Handle supplies? What boat would you > want? Well, well, dreams ... There´s many dreams that sound impossible to me now, some because of the time, some because of the costs, others for the permits ... One place I´ve always dreamed to kayak is Antarctica, the white continent. I also dream with the circumnavigation of Tierra del Fuego ( Fireland ) island, or navigate the southern Chilean fiords, most of them still unknown ... But if I had a couple of years I´ll join Buenos Aires with New York. And don´t forget the Falklands .... About doing it solo or not, I don´t know. Travelling solo is fine as you don´t have to negotiate what to do or where to go. But you are alone, and maybe the best of travelling is having someone to share you're experiences. So I think I´ll try to find a partner, but if I can´t get anyone I´ll do it solo anyway. I´ll kayak my Shark, my personal version of the Nordkap. I still could´t find other design more seaworthy that I can trust, but my knowledge is very limited as none of the known brands are sold in Argentina, so the only other kayaks I had the chance to experience are an old CHINOOK ( Aquaterra ), a SEA LION (Perception) and an ICEFLOE (Derek Hutchinson's). Cargo space is limited to a couple of weeks so this may be a mayor concern. Depending on the kind of trip I should need to do it first with a motor boat or car or whatever fast media to drop food, water, and some dry cloth in some strategic points. But this is not always necessary as many times you find towns and villages where to buy. I don´t think I would like to rely only on my fishing and hunting abilities. Dreams are dreams but we must never lose the hope to make them true some time. A couple of years ago I contacted Craig Adison and Dave Evans, from the BCU Sea Touring Comitee, and invited the to co-organize an international sea-kayak meeting in the Falklands. I loved the idea that two nations formerly in war, could friendly meet 10 years later in the same battlefield to share the sport they have in common, so turning the battlefield in a playground and have fun. Sovereignty and Politics would never be mentioned, and everybody will show respect to the islanders, because it is clear this is their home where we'll be hosted. One of the major objectives was to donate at least 10 complete kayak equipments to the island so they can go on developing the sport once we leave. They loved the idea too and all of us started to look for support. They contacted their Foreign Office, as Argentinean still needed a special visa to visit the islands. I did the same with my government looking for free transportation to the islands ( My idea was to receive kayakers from all around the world in Buenos Aires and then travel all together to the islands on a cargo plane ). Unfortunately both governments were more concerned on sovereignty than in human feelings, so they didn´t show any positive about the idea. I also invited Axel Mohr from Germany. He was very exited with the idea and gently offered his help, even referred me to many contacts in Germany and Great Britain. But unfortunately my lack of time and money, and some personal problems that required all my energy, forced me to abandon this plans. But I still have the hope that one day we´ll do it, because it can be done with the proper time, money, and effort, and I know its a good idea, and I already found some partners around the globe to make it true, and I´m sure there's still many more to be contacted. Because in my dream, this is not done under any flag or any name other than the international seakayak community. I count on all of you when that day come ... Nice dreams to you all, and thank you Wes for let me feel my blood rushing again ! Best regards ! Fernando Lopez Arbarello Kayak Argentina - Sea Kayaking Mailing List www.topica.com/lists/kayak_argentina kayak_argentina_at_uol.com.ar *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nice one Chuck. One of those ideas I wish I thought of. Chuck Holst wrote: > > An alternate way to get a good fit is to to cover the deck where you want > the compass with plastic wrap, paint epoxy resin on the bottom of the mount > after it has been rough-shaped, and then press it into place on top of the > plastic wrap. When it has set, remove the mount and the plastic wrap, and > trim the excess resin. > > Chuck Holst -- Gabriel L Romeu http://studiofurniture.com İİİİİ furniture from the workshop http://studiofurniture.com/diary İİİİİ life as a tourist, daily journal http://studiofurniture.com/paint İİİİİ paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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