Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. <Bill> Brought to you from beautiful Unalaska/Dutch Harbor, Alaska. N 53°51.140' W 166°30.228' (WGS 84) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. If paddlewise is such a great source of information why would you *need* another good listserv oriented towards sea kayaking? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> > At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: > >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if > >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. > > If paddlewise is such a great source of information why would you *need* > another good listserv oriented towards sea kayaking? There is nothing better overall than PaddleWise but there are different ones around meeting specialized purposes. Some are local; CPAkayaker (Chesapeake) and NYCkayaker come immediately to mind. These locals, open to anyone, are more for local contacts and trips but often have lively discussions a la PaddleWise. Also some clubs have listserves; Bay Area Sea Kayakers for example has one but you can only get on it if you are a member; but if you need Bay info or contacts, just post on PaddleWise and someone will cross post it for you on BUZZ, the BASK listserve. Then there are specialized ones that have been around for awhile such as for boatbuilding or the emerging one mentioned here for folding kayaks. Beyond this you will also find that some manufacturers have excellent bulletin boards. Folbot's is one such example devoted to Folbot owner needs. To a lesser degree you will find boards, still in a fledgling stage, for the magazines...Canoe & Kayak has one. But PaddleWise still remains THE treasure trove of information. I can't keep count of the many times when I have learned things of value in its messages. The level of discussion here often beats that of the magazines, even Sea Kayaker, largely because there are some very informed characters (our "characters" give zestful flavor...Matt, Lloyd, etc.) who freely exchange ideas in the open. So you get a lot to pick from and not just one view. (I'm reminded of my days working at an international business reporting and forecasting company. One wag among our clients once commented that anytime he needed a variety or range of forecasts for a country he just called different people at our company!) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just interested in if there are any other groups. I guess for the same reason I read The Kayak Forun, rec.boats.paddle, and rec.boats.paddle.touring. There is also good information to be acquired from these sources. I like to kayak and like to read about it. <Bill> Brought to you from beautiful Unalaska/Dutch Harbor, Alaska. N 53°51.140' W 166°30.228' (WGS 84) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> To: "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw_at_arctic.net>; "Paddlewise" <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sea Kayaking Listservers > At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: > >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if > >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. > > If paddlewise is such a great source of information why would you *need* > another good listserv oriented towards sea kayaking? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> To: Bill Bradshaw <bradshaw_at_arctic.net>; Paddlewise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>; John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sea Kayaking Listservers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> > > At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: > > >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if > > >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. > There is nothing better overall than PaddleWise but there are different ones > around meeting specialized purposes...... > ..... But PaddleWise still remains THE treasure trove of information. I can't > keep count of the many times when I have learned things of value in its > messages. The level of discussion here often beats that of the magazines, > even Sea Kayaker, largely because there are some very informed characters > (our "characters" give zestful flavor...Matt, Lloyd, etc.) who freely > exchange ideas in the open..... > ralph diaz Totally agree with Ralph. I would only add his name to our "Characters" list, as his contribution is huge and permanent. And about paddlewise I 'll like to say that it is not just a list, or a source of information. I feel it is much more than that. Paddlewise community has become part of my life, as everyday I'm exchanging about 30 e-mails from all over the world, receiving news and comments from the members. We've become kind of a "family", getting involved in more than sea kayaking, as the human relationships are an item by itself. Arthur Herbert is a good example by bringing us is friend's (Larry Koenig) horrible accident. Personally I don't know any of them, but Iīve been touched by his misfortune, and I'm feeling happy knowing he is recovering very well. Some members have open their homes an families to others visiting, even hosting them during their stay. So it's not only about sea kayaks, or technique. It is about people, a bunch of friends, or a family, as you prefer. I never subscribed to other servers as paddlewise gives me all I'm able to read in my free time. Sometimes I even donīt have time to reply some messages ... . But I found it such a good example of integration, that I started a list in Spanish ( my native language ) which is slowly growing up. In case you like to improve you Spanish you're all welcome ( you can post in English, but most of the members donīt speak the language ). You can read it and subscribe to it at : www.topica.com/lists/kayak_argentina Best regards ! Fernando Lopez Arbarello Kayak Argentina - Sea Kayaking Mailing List www.topica.com/lists/kayak_argentina kayak_argentina_at_uol.com.ar *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
ralph diaz said: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> > At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: > >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering if > >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. > > If paddlewise is such a great source of information why would you *need* > another good listserv oriented towards sea kayaking? There is nothing better overall than PaddleWise but there are different ones around meeting specialized purposes. (snip) ------------ ralph, I wouldn't say PW is the best, just that there isn't anything better around :-) And, don't forget the very fine list of Nick's (Kayak Techniques Bulletin Board) at: <http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-bin/Technique/index.cgi > (snip) ralph also said: But PaddleWise still remains THE treasure trove of information. I can't keep count of the many times when I have learned things of value in its messages. The level of discussion here often beats that of the magazines, even Sea Kayaker, largely because there are some very informed characters (our "characters" give zestful flavor...Matt... ---------- ralph, SK Magazine only picks the head archangels from the head of the pin, quantifies the number dancing qualitatively, edits and dresses up the winged beings, making the whole thing readable with fairly broad-based appeal and disseminating info into a highly readable format. PW gets way more angels on the head of that pin, and gets them all break dancing (though we continue to have no consensus on just how many there are on the pin head, and which ones use unfeathered wings). BTW, I thought Kevin was a bit harsh toward you and Canoe and Kayak magazine last month or so, saying C&K wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, or something to that effect. As a kayaker and canoeist, I continue to enjoy C&K, and your contributions. Comparing C&K and Sea Kayaker Magazines is a bit like comparing vans and SUV's -- different beasts). Also, I enjoy Outside Magazine too. They publish limited sea kayaking info, but have had some good destination stuff and trip reports. A particularly memorable article concerned a couple of Americans paddling amongst the war-rich history of Turkey. I like the little bit of over-the-top, counter-formalistc writing the editor permits at times. My mail man (oops -- person, opps -- letter carrier) was over in Turkey recently on a long trip. He had a few road blocks, but his name is Clinton, and that seemed to help. He was in a folder. "Magic" was his description. There must be thousands of these itinerant vagabonds globetrotting far and wide in their folders, most writing only in their personal journals. The latest issue of SK is out, and it is another fine issue as always. We finally get a review of the Door County deaths, and a very well written, evocative and pithy account of more arctic travel. Lots of other great stuff too. So much reading, and so little time. I'm meeting with the coroner finally, regarding a death due to a kite sailing incident awhile back. He is finally willing to release the details. I'll have to race Matt for this summer's Safety space in SK re his spray skirt article. Yea Matt, you are finally doing some writing again. Its, like, Bobby Fisher coming out to reclaim his title! DL - one paddler's opinion *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:58 AM 3/11/01 -0800, Doug Lloyd wrote: >ralph diaz said: > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> >> At 11:22 PM 3/9/01 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote: >> >Paddlewise is such a great source of information I started wondering >if >> >there are any other good listservs oriented towards sea kayaking. >> >> If paddlewise is such a great source of information why would you >*need* >> another good listserv oriented towards sea kayaking? > >There is nothing better overall than PaddleWise but there are different >ones >around meeting specialized purposes. Thanks to Doug and Ralph for pointing out the knee-jerkiness of my response to the query about other paddling forums. They are, of course, correct in pointing out that there are quite a few really good specialized forums out there. For specific topics the Nick's boat building BBS, a folding boat forum, and regional lists are definately worth checking out. In my defense, however, I was responding to the query about other forums oriented towards "sea kayaking", in general. I am quite familiar with rec.boats.paddle.touring and was part of the group that helped write the charter and I wish that it had the traffic and sense of community that can be found in Paddlewise. I hope that my response did not seem rash so perhaps an explanation of where it came from will help. I have been using the Internet for 17 years and participating in usenet newsgroups and mailing lists for that long. I witnessed the birth of the world wide web. Since then it seems everyone wants to try to "build a better mousetrap", or at least "another mousetrap". My point was simply "how many discussion forums oriented toward sea kayaking" do we really need? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I must made reservations this morning for a vacation rental house in Chincoteague, VA for five days. The house is right on the water so I'll probably rent a kayak for several days. I know that there are a couple of shops in Chincoteague that have rental kayaks available but I don't know what kind of boats they rent or if there might be some place better in between Norfolk and the Island (we're flying into Norfolk). If anyone has any recommendations I'd like to hear them. If there is anyone here that might be able to go for a paddle from 5/13 through 5/16 I'd certainly enjoy the company. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One of the best places in the area for sea kayaking information --- and possibly rentals --- is Wild River Outfitters in Virginia Beach, just east of the airport at ORF. Don't know if they will rent out boats, but they have a lot that they use for touring, and might rent them. Check them at < www.wildriveroutfitters.com>. Jack *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks to John, Jack, and Rick for the recommendation on Wild River Outfitters. Although they don't indicate that they do rentals on their web site, I've sent them email to ask. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Try Wild River Outfitters in Virginia Beach. They are within 30 minutes of the airport in Norfolk. www.wildriveroutfitters.com John David Fuller fuller_john_at_bah.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, I live somewhat in the area (about 1.5 or so hour drive to Chincoteague), and would love to join you for a paddle, but the dates aren't going to work for me. Wild River Outfitters has already been mentioned. It's the largest and best in the area, and is only about 10 minutes from the airport. Someone mentioned 30 minutes, but I can be at WRO in 30-40 minutes from here, and I have to pass by the airport to do it....... anyway, it's relatively close. Another option for you is to post to the Cheseapeake Paddlers Association listserve. You have to sign-up on on the list first, of course. They are rather large, and have people all over the Eastern Shore and up and down the Bay in Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, etc. including people on the Eastern Shore. You might find someone on that list who would be interested in an outing with you. There are a number of them who are also on this listserve as well.... perhaps one of them could comment more on good places to go in Chincoteague and the surrounding area. Good luck Rick > > I must made reservations this morning for a vacation rental house in > Chincoteague, VA > for five days. The house is right on the water so I'll > probably rent a > kayak for several > days. I know that there are a couple of shops in > Chincoteague that have > rental kayaks > available but I don't know what kind of boats they rent or if > there might > be some place > better in between Norfolk and the Island (we're flying into > Norfolk). If > anyone has > any recommendations I'd like to hear them. If there is > anyone here that > might be > able to go for a paddle from 5/13 through 5/16 I'd certainly enjoy the > company. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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