Would the take-apart option add significantly to a kayak's weight? Could it effect the structural soundness of the kayak? Here is the photo of the piecemeal kayak: http://www.gokajaksport.com/Pages/takeapart.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marinell" <marinell3_at_home.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Take-apart Kayaks : a serious question > Would the take-apart option add significantly to a kayak's weight? Could it > effect the structural soundness of the kayak? It does add considerable weight. Costs of transporting one generally runs higher on airlines and they need a van for ground transportation (i.e. not a simple cab). During transportation, you have to protect the flanges where the parts meet. I know of only a couple of individuals who have owned one. Generally they were not satisfied in the long term. If you want portability/storage, etc. then you should go with a folding kayak or a top of the line inflatable. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "Marinell" <marinell3_at_home.com> > Would the take-apart option add significantly to a kayak's weight? Yes, since you are adding one or two bulkheads plus reinforcement. The NDK and VCP kayaks increase by 10 lb (three section), according to the GRO catalogue. I would expect the same general increase for the Kayaksport. > Could it > effect the structural soundness of the kayak? The weight increase includes the extra material to recover the structural integrity lost due to the cuts. I've wondered about the rigidity and shear displacement (i.e. slipage at the joint) of the join. With the keys built into the Kayaksport kayaks, the latter shouldn't be much of a problem. I've never heard of anyone complain, but then sectional kayaks are few and far between. I'd agree with Ralph that the sectional kayaks are probably best for folks that really need them and not the first choice for the average kayaker. The extra cost probably keeps it that way. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Could it > > effect the structural soundness of the kayak? > > The weight increase includes the extra material to recover the > structural integrity lost due to the cuts. I've wondered about > the rigidity and shear displacement (i.e. slipage at the joint) > of the join. With the keys built into the Kayaksport kayaks, > the latter shouldn't be much of a problem. I've never heard > of anyone complain, but then sectional kayaks are few and far > between. > I only have had extensive contact with three people who have owned sectional or takeapart hardshell kayaks. The first guy was sometime in the early 1990s. He was absolutely sold on the idea and actually made presentations on them at some shows. Later I heard that he had sold his...dissatisfaction with lugging them around and the need to be super careful not to damage/strip the bolts that hold the sections together and worry over the flanges at the section ends getting damaged in transit. The next guy was very proud of his but he soon discovered that the Feathercraft K-1 was more to his liking. He has two K-1s, one for himself and one for a friend. The third guy recently sent me a report of his experience with a takeapart vs. the Khats, which I willl use in my newsletter. He feels his takeapart is speedier than the Khats but more difficult to deal with in transit. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: "ralph diaz" <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> > He feels his takeapart is > speedier than the Khats but more difficult to deal with in transit. > I can see that. I've only seen one sectional kayak that has sections that nest together. If they don't nest, you're trading length for diameter of the package. Something that big is going to be a problem on aircraft and just lugging it around would be a pain. A boat-in-a-bag definitely has an advantage both in packed size and reduced fragility (real or imagined). Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The takeapart option on my Valley Canoe Products boat adds something less than 10 pounds. The last time I flew with my VCP it cost $225.00, not to mention the strain of moving 3 ea 6ft bags around: Cars, people, bush planes, etc. I'm a fairly big guy at 6'2" and 225 pounds and I found it tough to manage. By the way the big rolly carts at the airports are monopolized by the skycaps and they'll cost ya. I could go on and on about this! If you plan on a lot of travel I highly recommend the Feathercraft. I just placed a phone call to a small inter country airline in Central America and they would not charge me for the feathercraft or extra gear. It makes traveling sooooo nice. The 3 piece is not a bad option if you are going to have only one boat for home and travel but beware of the facts that are not disclosed on three piece kayaks. It can be disappointing. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hey all and happy new year, I attended a talk by Stan Chladek about his trip to the antarctic with Niggel Dennis and a third whom I can't remember. They took take- apart Romany Explorer's. He believed that folding boats would have been damaged during the very rough rock,ice and surf landings they were going to encounter (not to mention he doesn't carry them). I believe that Valley and NDK offers a take apart option on all their boats. Their expedition, by the way, looked incredible. -Patrick At Tuesday, 8 January 2002, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote: >The takeapart option on my Valley Canoe Products boat adds something less than 10 pounds. [SNIP] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:47 PM 1/8/02 +0100, Patrick Maun wrote: >Hey all and happy new year, > >I attended a talk by Stan Chladek about his trip to the antarctic >with Niggel Dennis and a third whom I can't remember. I attended a talk by Nigel Dennis about his trip to the Antarctic with Stan Chladek and Tom Bergh (the third person who went on the expedition). I wonder how much their perspectives differed. BTW, Tom is from Maine Island Kayak Company. I met him a couple of years ago on the demo beach during the LL Bean Symposium. He was representing the VCP and Romany boats and had a take apart Nordkapp available for a demo paddle. I also know a couple of people that have done some training with Tom. Nice guy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Patrick Maun writes: > Hey all and happy new year, > > I attended a talk by Stan Chladek about his trip to the antarctic > with Niggel Dennis and a third whom I can't remember. They took take- > apart Romany Explorer's. He believed that folding boats would have > been damaged during the very rough rock,ice and surf landings they > were going to encounter (not to mention he doesn't carry them). I > believe that Valley and NDK offers a take apart option on all their > boats. > > Their expedition, by the way, looked incredible. > > -Patrick Hi Patrick, I heard the same talk last year or the year before. As I recall, Nigel's kayak on that trip was one of the new, lighter layups. He said it didn't hold up as well on the rocky landings as the standard layup. BTW, Ann Bancroft and Liv Arneson are paddling down there right now to celebrate the first anniversary of their trip across Antarctica. (Coincidentally, Linda and I are going to a slide talk tonight by Jerry Zgoda, the Star Tribune "Your Sports" reporter, who was on the ship that picked them up last year.) Their next big expedition reportedly will be on the Great Lakes from Lake Superior to the St. Lawrence. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Patrick and all, The third person was Tom Berg of Maine Island Kayak Co. I saw Tom's slide show of the trip and it's absolutly awesome! As I understand it, Stan paddled a Nordkap while Tom and Nigel were in Explorers. All three were three-piece sectionals, very sexy! Jed -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Patrick Maun Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:47 AM Cc: paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Take-apart Kayaks : a serious question Hey all and happy new year, I attended a talk by Stan Chladek about his trip to the antarctic with Niggel Dennis and a third whom I can't remember. They took take- apart Romany Explorer's. He believed that folding boats would have been damaged during the very rough rock,ice and surf landings they were going to encounter (not to mention he doesn't carry them). I believe that Valley and NDK offers a take apart option on all their boats. Their expedition, by the way, looked incredible. -Patrick At Tuesday, 8 January 2002, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote: >The takeapart option on my Valley Canoe Products boat adds something less than 10 pounds. [SNIP] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Could it effect the structural soundness of the kayak? > > The weight increase includes the extra material to recover the > structural integrity lost due to the cuts. I've wondered about > the rigidity and shear displacement (i.e. slipage at the joint) > of the join. With the keys built into the Kayaksport kayaks, > the latter shouldn't be much of a problem. I've never heard > of anyone complain, but then sectional kayaks are few and far > between. Admission from a foldingboat guy: I built my plywood (Chris Luczicky designed) "Yare" adaptation in three sections. Two slanted double 1/2-inch plywood bulkheads, each held together with four stainless bolts and wingnuts, split the boat into three equal length sections. The top edges of the bulkheads slant away from the cockpit, which reduces cockpit volume "ergonomically" (my feet slant forward and the aft slant fits my lower back to some extent). This configuration also reduces the shear loading on the bolts - which means that I have fewer wingnuts to fiddle into place and tighten adequately. The sections are not keyed other than by way of the matching holes and bolts. The boat has done sterling service for a good number of years. For convenience, maintenance, ease of travelling and feel on the water give me a folding boat any day, but if it has to be a hard shell, then only a sectioned one will fit through the access ways into my basement - or out of it, which was one reason to section the boat in the first place). Best regards, Ralph Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<<The third person was Tom Berg of Maine Island Kayak Co. I saw Tom's slideshow of the trip and it's absolutly awesome! >> and he's going to be at the Sweetwater (Fla) Symposium sandy kramer (who is not going to be...) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
FoldingBoats_at_aol.com wrote: >Admission from a foldingboat guy: > >I built my plywood (Chris Luczicky designed) "Yare" adaptation in three >sections. >Two slanted double 1/2-inch plywood bulkheads, each held together with >four stainless bolts and wingnuts, split the boat into three equal >length sections. The top edges of the bulkheads slant away from the >cockpit, which reduces cockpit volume "ergonomically" (my feet slant >forward and the aft slant fits my lower back to some extent). The only possible disadvantage I can see is that you can't "stand" the take-apart sections on end with slanted bulkheads. Otherwise, I love slanted bulkheads in hardshell kayaks. Shawn Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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