Rough seas on the Columbia River bar: http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.com/Picture_gallery/weather_rough_seas/Page.html The buoys which are seen as submerged in a couple photos are 12 feet over the water when not pulled under. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
http://www.sea-rescue.de/the-sea.html Bugger of a boat, the bow buries too easily! Needs to redesigned, looks like a Nordkapp in slopola.:-) Cheers, PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That's why the new boys buy Jubilees (fuller bows). Us skinny-bow old-school boys like the extra slopola effect. Takes a real man to paddle while getting slapped in the face every wave! So you can add a new word to your evolving lexicon: Slapola ( a rough sea-state experience by vintage Nordkapp paddlers). Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Treby" <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: Rough Seas > http://www.sea-rescue.de/the-sea.html > Bugger of a boat, the bow buries too easily! Needs to redesigned, looks like > a Nordkapp in slopola.:-) > Cheers, PT *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd said: > Us skinny-bow old-school boys like the extra slopola effect. > Takes a real man to paddle while getting slapped in the face > every wave! Doug, Although I've never paddled a Nordkapp, us Gulfstream paddlers can relate to this too! Is it possible to paddle and have a dry face and/or chest? Steve Holtzman Southern, CA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>: > ... Is it possible to paddle and have a dry face > and/or chest? > > Steve Holtzman > Southern, CA Steve, Do you mean to imply that someone would CHOOSE to have a dry anything?? ;-) -- Age Quod Agis JP Who lately prefers the pretty much bow-less little Mystic in the waves *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jennifer Pivovar said: > Do you mean to imply that someone would CHOOSE to have a dry > anything?? ;-) > Jennifer, I know how cold it feels on a cold wintery day in Southern California with the water temperatures around 50 and the air temps around 40. I can't begin to imagine how it feels in the colder climates. Remember that down here, people are wearing down filled parkas when the air temps get down to the low 50's. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Quoting Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>: > I know how cold it feels on a cold wintery day in Southern > California > with the water temperatures around 50 and the air temps around 40. > I can't begin to imagine how it feels in the colder climates. > > Remember that down here, people are wearing down filled parkas when > the air temps get down to the low 50's 50's? Winter? I actually do feel bad for folks who miss the beauty of paddling among snowflakes. (and icicles on the decklines) -- Age Quod Agis JP *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Jennifer Pivovar said: > 50's? Winter? I actually do feel bad for folks who miss the > beauty of > paddling among snowflakes. (and icicles on the decklines) Actually it's days like today where we get our problems. The air temperature is forecasted for the high 90's inland and 80's on the coast, but the water temperature is still about 55 deg. A lot of beginners will be out on the water in cotton "T" shirts and shorts and not wearing a PFD. I'll still pass on paddling in the snowflakes--I've been out here for 27 years now and I don't miss the cold at all. ;-) Steve Holtzman Southern CA. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve wrote, > ... Is it possible to paddle and have a dry face > and/or chest? G'Day Not possible in Sydney at the moment. Even in the middle of a country wide drought Sydney still manages to put on a 24 hour torrential downpour. Last weekend found me lifting the boat to the waters edge then thinking "Only a person with water on the brain would think of going out in this downpour" so I turned and took the kayak back to the boat house. At this point my pigheaded self said "Don't be such a wimp, get back to the water". Once paddling though, it was magical, rain mist blowing in shrouds across the cliffs, arrowheads of water spiking up like tufts of grass, soggy fairy penguins diving, a large and gentle swell easing the boat forwards. And the strangest currents and eddies. Well worth it. All the best, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have not experienced a kayak yet that renders its occupant immune to at least some wetness when running upwind or head-on into steep chop. It's all a matter of degree. I've know of kayaks that the manufactured claimed incorporated a bow design that was supposed to be engineered to lift said bow over the waves, yet in real world conditions, the occupant was wetter than myself (or at the very least, unable to make headway in heavy air-sea conditions), in the wet-running Nordkapp. There are a few designs that achieve a nice balance here. The factors which have to be balanced include potential volume in the bow that makes it more wind-prone, as well as more difficult to break out through surf and over the top off steep offshore waters where the paddler is trying to make time from point A to B. In open sea conditions running into a gale, I fine that while the Nordkapp is a truly wet ride, it does manage to make headway where other kayaksshow a tendency to bog down. I admit this appears counter-intuitive. Where the wetness originates with respect to the Nordkapp, is not so much its lack of volume for riding up and over the seas to leave the occupant dryer, but in the slam-action of the bow as it plunges back into the water _after_ lifting over a wave. The seas tend to gather up on the deck then get thrown back in the paddler's face and chest. The Nordkapp Jubilee addressed this issue apparently, but I'm sure it is still a bit of a wet boat, as these lower volume kayaks simply retain a low-windage factor which has to mean wetter-riding characteristics. I'm not sure about the relative wetness of the Gulfstream, but from what I remember paddling with Gulfstream drivers is that moderate conditions aren't too bad. With the Nordkapp, even mild seas can produce a very wet ride. I believe the P&H kayaks have a bit more volume, traditionally, in the foredeck area to compensate for a dryer ride. That's one reason I've never liked the P&H kayak line, as the kayak feels too encumbered up front (still obviously lower than many North American designs). Well, I'm not a designer, so I should shut up. But suffice it to say that many paddlers buy kayaks based on the kayak's reputation to yield a drier ride, while others desire low-windage, low-volume, performance bows that slice through the action. Once accustomed to the traits of a wetter-running kayak and relative merits commensurate with the individuals preferences, the only other decision to make is the one to buy proper immersion apparel for "none-immersion" use, if you get my drift. :-) Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Whatever can be said at all can be said clearly and whatever cannot be said clearly should not be said at all." Ludwig Wittgenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holtzman" <sh_at_actglobal.net> To: "'Doug Lloyd'" <dalloyd_at_telus.net>; "'Peter Treby'" <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>; <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Rough Seas > Doug Lloyd said: > > Us skinny-bow old-school boys like the extra slopola effect. > > Takes a real man to paddle while getting slapped in the face > > every wave! > > Doug, Although I've never paddled a Nordkapp, us Gulfstream paddlers can > relate to this too! Is it possible to paddle and have a dry face and/or > chest? > > Steve Holtzman > Southern, CA > > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > I know how cold it feels on a cold wintery day in Southern > > California > > with the water temperatures around 50 and the air temps around 40. > > I can't begin to imagine how it feels in the colder climates. > > > > Remember that down here, people are wearing down filled parkas when > > the air temps get down to the low 50's > > 50's? Winter? I actually do feel bad for folks who miss the beauty of > paddling among snowflakes. (and icicles on the decklines) > > ....and PFD zippers iced up so they don't unzip (before the water gets too hard for paddling). Erik who is spending a week on the Lake Superior shore at the western tip of Michigan's U.P, where there are still ice floes on Lake Superior as far eye can see - and dense enough to make paddling any distance virtually impossible ;-( *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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