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From: James <jimtibensky_at_fastmail.fm>
subject: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:07:44 -0800
I once had an experience that is the mirror image of the one Matt
describes.  I came around the bend [why do all these stories start with
that phrase?] and there was a woman standing on a small landing that is
no longer used.  She was wearing a long skirt and a halter top and the
biggest, oddest grin I had ever seen.  As I said paddled by and said
"Hi", a kneeling man poked his head out from under the skirt, said "Hi"
and disappeared again.

Jim Tibensky
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:32:22 -0500
>   After the women had passed, the others asked him why.  He
> replied, "Gentlemen, I am recognized by my face not my genitals!"

LOL!!!  That's GREAT!

Rick
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From: <Rick.Sylvia_at_ferguson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:27:49 -0500
> I suppose another surprise was while getting slammed over by surf I
was
> hanging upside down waiting for it to let me go. One hand had been
pulled
> off the paddle but I managed to hold on with the other and it was
dragging
> along off to my side. In my mind I was just waiting for things to calm
> down
> so I could roll up. In a flash though I felt the paddle break in half
-
> the
> break being right in my hand. There hadn't been much drag on the
paddle,
> at
> least it didn't seem to be much. It was the first time I had
experienced
> such a catastrophic failure of my gear. Maybe not so shocking for
most,
> but
> for me, at the time, it caught me totally off guard.

How did you recover from that?  Were you carrying a spare paddle, or was
someone in your group carrying a spare?  Were you even with a group?

Rick
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From: Robert Woodard <woody_at_kayaktrips.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:15:03 -0500
> How did you recover from that?  Were you carrying a spare 
> paddle, or was
> someone in your group carrying a spare?  Were you even with a group?

Well this story comes straight from the "Don't try this at home" department
:)

This happened before I retired from the Air Force. Summer of 2002. I was
stationed in Northern Japan where sea kayaks were rare. There were no
partners to paddle with (Towards the end of my tour a school councilor moved
to the base that had a kayak, so for a short period I had a paddling
partner).

I should start at the beginning of the story. Below is the link to my
original trip report:

http://www.kayaktrips.net/archives/000136.html

Woody

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http://www.kayaktrips.net/
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:17:55 -0800
"Gentlemen, I am recognized by my face not my genitals!"
Yes, but he might be recognized by the company he keeps.

Where to begin, there are so many.
Once while making camp in the San Juan Islands a huge bird with a hooked
beak dove on me but I didn't see it until it was just a few feet away. It
swooped away just above my head but had I not looked up I might never have
even noticed it. It was so big and so close but there was absolutely no
sound at all from it. I wondered if I had just witnessed some sort of
apparition or something. I didn't yet know that owls can fly without making
a sound. Listening to the sound of the fan on my computer I have to wonder
why we humans cannot make nearly silent fans using the same technology.

Once in Baja I foolishly decided to try to surf my fully loaded folding
kayak (and 10 gallons of water) in steep white capping seas. I waited for
the bow to start to drop and I pulled hard on the right side to accelerate
quickly. The next following crest overtook me and met my lightweight
graphite paddle's blade just as I pulled hardest. I heard a loud explosion
like a firecracker going off and looked over at a puff of black dust. The
water resistance (to my stroke) instantly dropped to zero on that side and I
seriously over-rotated. Luckily, I didn't capsize and was able to brace with
the other blade while calling to my woman friend to bring the spare.

I've drifted by many naked sunbathers and otherwise busily occupied couples
while paddling the rivers of Washington but I don't recall but once that our
group, floating silently by, was even spotted. Those experiences did teach
me to be a little more prudent so while there have been a few close calls
I'm not aware of ever having the shoe on the other foot. It is usually just
a matter of getting far enough from the trail or water to be off the beaten
path.

Robert's "I managed a 'howdy' just
to acknowledge the awkwardness and continued on." and Rick's "To break the
ice, I simply smiled and said "Nice double"." reminded me of the story that
one fellow WW paddler told swears is absolutely true. He was floating around
a point in a river and came upon a casting fly fisherman standing on a rock
with an open fly and a woman on her knees in front of him. He was not far
away but wanted to warn the couple that he was there so he coughed while
looking off the other way. Things were quickly zipped away before he floated
right in front of them, but like with those quotes above, the paddler wanted
to break the nervous ice (and ignore the 8000 pound elephant in their midst)
at the same time. He quickly thought to himself, I'll ask about the fishing.

"Getting any good bites?"










Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com
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From: PeterO <rebyl_kayak_at_iprimus.com.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:34:48 +1100
G'Day,

Johnno, Margot and I were paddling the Bega river on a balmy Summers day
last month and amiably sharing it with a bunch of water skiers - and a blue
tongued lizard! None of us had ever seen a blue tongued lizard swimming
across a river before and this fine specimen was trying its damnedest to get
to the other side, wriggling and slithering at about 1/10th of a knot
through the water. It had to be a male responding to a mate - can't think of
any other reason why a lizard would want to do such a thing.

Anyway we stayed fairly close so it would be protected from water skiers and
a couple of circling falcons.

Came across a web site which suprised me again! Apparently Wallabies and
Wobats like to surf!
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_1030590.htm
Wouldn't have believed it except on Deal Island last month our group saw a
wallaby swimming through the surf with a couple of thresher sharks chasing
it.

All the best, PeterO
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From: Joseph Pylka <jpylka_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Surprises while Paddling
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:05:58 -0500
> Johnno, Margot and I were paddling the Bega river on a balmy Summers day
> last month and amiably sharing it with a bunch of water skiers - and a
blue
> tongued lizard! None of us had ever seen a blue tongued lizard swimming
> across a river before and this fine specimen was trying its damnedest to
get
> to the other side, wriggling and slithering at about 1/10th of a knot

	In New Jersey it's not unusual to see Woodchucks (Marmots) swimming in
rivers.  I had one last fall ferrying across a river with me -- quite
nonchalantly.  On another occasion on a rarely paddled stream I had two
younkers see me from the shore, who then jumped in and swam out for a
closer look.  
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From: Bob Denton <bdenton_at_soytek.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:39:41 -0500
It seem like I have owned every GPS Garmin has ever made that could possibly
be used for paddling, starting with the 45. I believe Garmin has finally
made the perfect GPS in the 60 series.

I have had mine for a few weeks and have one trip into the Everglades as
well as a trip to Europe. Some of the neat features:

Waterproof
Color
30 Hour Battery life
53 MB of memory
WAAS often accurate to ten feet
Rate of accent and decent (great for keeping tabs on the pilot)
USB and Serial compatible
Auto Routing - Load City Select and it gives you turn by turn instructions
in real time, just like the more expensive units.
Cost $360-$400

The only negative is that it is not compatible with the current Metroguide
and consequently will not auto route, which required purchasing City Select.
It will auto route with the prior version of Metro Guide.

The CS version has an altimeter/barometer and electronic compass and is due
out in a few weeks.

cu
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:24:47 -0800
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Looking at its specs on Garmin website - very impressive.  Hopefully the
price will go down a little bit.  About 50% larger display, colour, almost
doubled battery time compared to Etrex series (with the same weight).  One
drawback is that is significantly larger - 1.7" longer and slighty wider and
thicker than Etrexes.  Not sure if this includes antenna (which protrudes
quite a bit too).  Might not fit into some pockets.

Waterproofness (Re: Garmin Map 12): battery compartment has always been the
weakest spot, though in mappable Etrexes it is watreproof enough for a short
dip. This will sure deteriorate after a few seasons.
Alex.
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 05:22:00 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net 
> [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net] On Behalf Of Alex


> Waterproofness (Re: Garmin Map 12): battery compartment has 
> always been the weakest spot, though in mappable Etrexes it 
> is watreproof enough for a short dip. This will sure 
> deteriorate after a few seasons. Alex.

Alex,

I wouldn't bet on the waterproofness of the mappable Etrex. My Etrex
Legend died while still under warranty from salt water exposure and then
again while just out of warranty.

It is an expensive lesson to learn that a submersible GPS must be
carried in a dry bag.

Steve Holtzman
Southern, CA
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From: Nick Schade <nick_at_guillemot-kayaks.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:27:03 -0500
On Feb 8, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Steve Holtzman wrote:
>
> It is an expensive lesson to learn that a submersible GPS must be
> carried in a dry bag.
>

It is even more frustrating when you find that a dry bag is not enough 
to keep it alive. My Etrex died even though I always used a drybag. It 
was one of those roll-down bags. While this kept the direct splashing 
away from the GPS, it still let in humidity. In the sun, this humidity 
was able to penetrate the GPS and kill it.

it is possible that throwing a Silica-Gel pack in the bag would help. 
All I can say is: A dry bag is not sufficient.

Nick Schade

Guillemot Kayaks
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From: John March <jsmarch_at_acpub.duke.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:39:24 -0500
Wishful thinking debunked:  Same problems with the Magellan Meridian 
Marine--have sent two back after failing with routine kayaking (rolling, 
surf, rain etc.) and now keep it in a GPS flexible watertight case so far 
with no problems other than inconvenience.

At 01:27 PM 2/9/2004 -0500, Nick Schade wrote:

>On Feb 8, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Steve Holtzman wrote:
>>
>>It is an expensive lesson to learn that a submersible GPS must be
>>carried in a dry bag.
>
>

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From: Dawn Stewart <dawn_stewart_at_unc.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:34:19 -0500
What kind of dry bags are people using for GARMIN Etrex that would still allow you to use it's features while in the bag.

When I have used soft bags designed for cell phones, it is difficult to get to the GPS buttons, and if it's a hot and sunny, the bag inside heats up and I"ve had trouble with the LCD screen working.

Dawn
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From: alex <al.m_at_3web.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:05:56 -0800
> It is even more frustrating when you find that a dry bag is not enough
> to keep it alive. My Etrex died even though I always used a drybag. It
> was one of those roll-down bags. While this kept the direct splashing
> away from the GPS, it still let in humidity. In the sun, this humidity
> was able to penetrate the GPS and kill it.
>
> it is possible that throwing a Silica-Gel pack in the bag would help.
> All I can say is: A dry bag is not sufficient.

It could more impact of the humidity in the air already contained in the
drybag and Etrex casing, condensating inside the casing due to increased
temperature in the closed volume.  Silica-gel should help, and smaller size
of drybag should help Silica-gel to do its job.  Albeit expensive, Aquapack
bags look  like the best solution - they are small.  I've tried my current
cellophone Aquapack on Etrex Legend - very inconvenient, mostly because it's
too narrow and therefore tight, hard to operate side buttons and joystick.
Designated Aquapack for GPS is wider, should be easier to access buttons.
Also, as I have already suspected and written on another forum, clear film
reduces display readability significantly.  Still readable, though
(black-on-gray display of Etrex is not too good even without clear film over
it). Additionally, transparency of this film suffers due to inevitable
abrasion of the bag after just one season of use.  For using it as a storage
bag only, transparency and accessibility of buttons doesn't matter.
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From: Joseph Pylka <jpylka_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Garmin 60C
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:07:00 -0500
> What kind of dry bags are people using for GARMIN Etrex that would still
allow you to use it's features while in the bag.
> When I have used soft bags designed for cell phones, it is difficult to
get to the GPS buttons, and if it's a hot and sunny, the bag inside heats
up and I"ve had trouble with the LCD screen working.
> Dawn

	I usually use a small sized SEE-THRU bag, partly shrunk down for my Garmin
12, which is larger than an Etrex.  No problems reading the screen or
manipulating the buttons.  It's the only thing in that bag.  I also have a
Garmin 72 and so far it's kept itself waterproof --  it's been splashed
heavily but so far not dunked for an extended period....

Joe P.
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