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From: Shawn Baker <shawnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
"John Snoddy" <john_at_snoddy.com> wrote:
>I just added a Canon Optura 30 camcorder to my digital camera 
collection. Next project is to build a waterproof housing. ...
(http://www.wakeworld.com/articles/2003/housing.asp).

I built a similar PVC housing as described on the MSN 'Divelight'
group.  Works great!  I built mine out of 4" PVC for my Canon Elura 70.

The cam mic picks up quite a bit of motor noise.

shawn
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From: John Snoddy <john_at_snoddy.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:06:08 -0400
Shawn,

I've been trying to find the necessary parts: 6 inch PVC, hasp clamps,  
6.5 inch o-ring. No luck on any of it. I looked at 4 inch PVC, but my  
Optura is such a tight fit, I can't imagine being able to build/install  
camera controls.

So I gave up. Found a relatively affordable housing: Epic Elite  
(http://epiccam.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/product_info.php? 
cPath=1&products_id=28). Designed by surfers rather than divers and  
perfectly suits my planned usage.

$269 is still a lot of money, but to be honest, I had reservations  
about my ability to actually build the thing. After adding the  
complexity of finding all the necessary parts (and finding a somewhat  
reasonable alternative) I decided to take the easy route.

John



On Apr 22, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Shawn Baker wrote:

>
> I built a similar PVC housing as described on the MSN 'Divelight'
> group.  Works great!  I built mine out of 4" PVC for my Canon Elura 70.
>
> The cam mic picks up quite a bit of motor noise.
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:48:48 +0200
Ricoh has come out with a water-proof camera!

Anyone know anything about it?

Tord
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:43:39 EDT
In a message dated 4/14/2005 7:29:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
gwarner2_at_shaw.ca writes:

I don't  have a Pentax Optio WP but am curious to know what the power source 
is for  the camera and how long it works off the battery source.

Some of the  digital cameras my friends use eat batteries at the same rate 
my 14 year  old son eats though our fridge.  I swear he can open the fridge 
door  and clean out everything edible before the light comes on.  By evening  
the only thing left in the fridge is some science experiments and the  
organic green sludge in the vegetable crisper.

Why's it called a  crisper?  You put fresh vegies in and "poof" they turn to  
sludge.  It should be called the sludger.

Sorry, I lost focus  there for a moment.

About the batteries, what's the power source for  the Optio WP?  Oh, and 
would you pass the green  sludge?



They list a rechargable lithium ion battery. The weak link to me about  
digital is the battery. I've been on 2 week trips and the digital shooters  were 
fretting over batteries. Some digi cameras do, however, use AA's so a  proper 
duracell recharge midtrip is a-ok. I like my pentax IQzoom but my buddies  digi 
shots were much more vibrant than mine and I think this may be the pad I  
launch into digital-at least for kayaking-from. He even bought a spare battery  
for our last trip and was fretting about not having enough juice, so I'm still a 
 bit concerned. Every time those funky little sounds go off and all that, it 
just  wastes energy that could be used for day 5 on a trip. What are those 
little  scientists in their cubicles doing?
 
I remove the veggies from their incubator like plastic bags and put them  
into a basket. That removes alot of the moisture that turns them into sludge.  
The crisper is the beer overflow tank now. Our only teenagers are cats, so we  
are forced to eat our own broccoli.
 
Here is a link for more info on the optio wp. Thanks to everybody for their  
insight. 
 
_http://www.digital-cameras-ratings.info/Camera/B0007CZ6F0/Pentax-Optio-WP-5MP
-Waterproof-Digi/_ 
(http://www.digital-cameras-ratings.info/Camera/B0007CZ6F0/Pentax-Optio-WP-5MP-Waterproof-Digi/) 
 
Rob
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:55:44 -0700
Rob,

If you really like your film camera, but want the digital images too, don't
forget that you can have a cd made when you bring your film in for
processing. That's what my wife does with her IQ Zoom.

The newer digital cameras seem to be doing a lot better on battery use than
the older ones. My underwater Reefmaster digital, eats batteries in just a
couple of hours.

My old Olympus Ultrazoom C700 can pretty much shoot an entire day on one set
of batteries. My newest camera is a Canon Digital Rebel SLR and it shoots
about 400 - 600 pictures per battery charge depending on how much I use
flash with it.

As far as the sludger is concerned, we just got a new refrigerator and it
appears to be able to make sludge even faster than our old one did.

Steve Holtzman
Southern Calif
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From: Patrick Maun <patrick_at_patrickmaun.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:52:53 -0500
Batteries have gotten much better. My Nikon D70 (DSLR) can go more 
than a week with out recharging. My older Sony DSC717 could take 
around 300 pictures before it needed a recharge. The first digital 
camera I got (and subsequently returned) went through batteries like 
a kid eatin' candy.

For paddling I have been using the older Canon waterproof 35mm, but 
this year decided to paddle with my cheap 4MP Canon. I just keep it 
in a small Pelican 1020 case on the deck. These are the small cases 
that just flip open. I stow the good gear in a larger Pelican case 
for use on land.

-Patrick

At 7:55 PM -0700 4/14/05, Steve Holtzman wrote:
>[snip]
>
>My old Olympus Ultrazoom C700 can pretty much shoot an entire day on one set
>of batteries. My newest camera is a Canon Digital Rebel SLR and it shoots
>about 400 - 600 pictures per battery charge depending on how much I use
>flash with it.
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:24:33 EDT
In a message dated 4/15/2005 4:51:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
mcguire_at_crsr.net writes:

Does it  have an optical zoom, by the way? The specs I found only listed
a 3x  digital zoom


The pentax specs list only a digital zoom.
 
_http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Pentax/pentax_optiowp.asp_ 
(http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Pentax/pentax_optiowp.asp) 
 
What is the difference from a photographers perspective?
 
Rob
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:08:20 -0500
For the most part digital zoom is useless - OK, a bit of an exaggeration 
but all a digital zoom does is make the pixels bigger - so yes, it appears 
zoomed but the image quality drops.  The software interpolates to smooth 
things out.  Not sure, but the lack of optical zoom may be the result of 
trying to waterproof the unit as optical zooms rely on moving lenses in 
some fashion.  .  I'd want a minimum of 3x optical zoom on a point and 
shoot.  Personal opinion.

my $0.02,
K
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Zoom (was: New Waterproof Digital Camera)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:49:35 +0200
On Saturday 16 April 2005 02.24, you wrote:
> What is the difference from a photographers perspective?

Digital zoom enlarges the pixels in the camera, in the same
way as in Photoshop you can enlarge a photo, so while
size increases, resolution goes down. 

Optical zoom works by increasing the magnification
of the optics, thus the resolution stays the same,
but, say, the beauty, takes up more of the frame,
much like when you creep up close (the perspectives
differ between close-ups and zoom pictures, of course).

So there is never any need for using digital zoom. If
you want to enlarge part of a scenery more than
the optical zoom can handle you do it afterwards
in Photoshop, or similar program.

Actually, there are three things one should learn
using Photoshop, or similar program. That's all -
the rest is for creative photographic editing!

1. Learn to crop a photo, cutting away parts
of the photo that distract.

2. Learn to re-size a photo, so that its size
and resolution is adapted to the medium
your going to use. A somewhat dizzy photo,
that you want to keep as a memory, or
other reason, never gains anything to be saved
in full size, often the reverse. A crisp photo,
on the other hand, should be kept in as
big format as possible - who knows, one day
it might be published, and printed!

A slightly blurred photo looks better if
decreased in size a bit, due to the way
our eyes work, so that's why pictures
should be taken in as big size as possible,
till you checked them in your computer.

3. Learn to use Levels - a much better
tool than Brightness and Contrast,
which only occasionally can be helpful!

Now you're all experts and can work
as photoeditors at any newspaper!

Greetings,

Tord S Eriksson,
ex-editor-in-chief
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Zoom (was: New Waterproof Digital Camera)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:03:09 +1200
on 16/4/05 22:49, Tord Eriksson at tord_at_tord.nu wrote:


> Actually, there are three things one should learn
> using Photoshop, or similar program. That's all -
> the rest is for creative photographic editing!
> 
> 1. Learn to crop a photo...
> 
> 2. Learn to re-size a photo...
> 
> 3. Learn to use Levels...

> Now you're all experts and can work
> as photoeditors at any newspaper!


I would add:

4. Learn to dodge and burn - with discretion

5. Learn to use unsharp mask.

Your training as a photo editor is complete.

Now all you need to do is learn to crop badly and use photos poorly, and
then you can become sub-editors at any newspaper! :-)

Cheers

JKA

(Newspaper photographer, married to a sub-editor)


-- 
John Kirk-Anderson
Banks Peninsula
NEW ZEALAND
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From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Thumbnails (was: Zoom (which was: New Waterproof Digital Camera))
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:35:25 -0500
To add to the digital photo training suggested thus far:

The other annoyance is sending large images via email or on the web.  Learn 
to make smaller versions for distribution or on-screen viewing.

The simplest way to do this that I've found is using a free program called 
Easy Thumbnails (http://www.fookes.com/ezthumbs/index.php?2.6)  Works 
well.  Set the resolution and an entire directory of files will be reduced 
to a 2nd set of files each with a max your preset size in a single, 
one-click batch job.  No connection to the company or author - just works 
well and of course, it is free.

Making the paddling connection - after each trip, I simply place all images 
in a folder and in a batch job create small versions of every image.  Store 
them in a sub-folder and burn the whole thing onto CDs to give to everyone 
on the trip - or email out to others - or post to a web site.  Everyone 
gets both - full resolution images and the thumbnails ready to 
share.  Simplifies the whole process.

K
PS:  The other paddling related photo suggestion is to figure out how to 
mount a polarizer (filter) on your in-boat camera - will improve pretty 
much every one of your on-water shots.
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From: Mark Arnold <mjamja_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:28:39 -0500
I went to the site for the reviews mentioned in the previous post (sorry I
deleted it and do not have links anymore) and read the Optio as having a 3x
optical zoom.   (38mm - 114mm).  I know that my Optio WR33 has a 3X optical
zoom and a 3x digital zoom.  The literature on the Optio WR 33 talks about
a new arrangement of the lenses to allow movement for zoom feature while
still staying inside the waterproof sealed area.  I can't imagine the
newest version at a higher price getting rid of the optical zoom.

Check those specs again if you think that they said no optical zoom to be
sure of what they are saying (I could definitely be wrong).  There is a
Zoom wide = 38 mm and a Zoom tele = 114 mm 3x  on the spec sheet as well as
a Digital Zoom = 3x (or 4x). 

Mark J. Arnold


> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Wrage <keith.wrage_at_charter.net>
> To: <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net>
> Date: 4/15/2005 20:08:11
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
>
> For the most part digital zoom is useless - OK, a bit of an exaggeration 
> but all a digital zoom does is make the pixels bigger - so yes, it
appears 
> zoomed but the image quality drops.  The software interpolates to smooth 
> things out.  Not sure, but the lack of optical zoom may be the result of 
> trying to waterproof the unit as optical zooms rely on moving lenses in 
> some fashion.  .  I'd want a minimum of 3x optical zoom on a point and 
> shoot.  Personal opinion.
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From: Bruce Grubbs <mail_at_brucegrubbs.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:04:59 -0700
According to www.pentaxusa.com, the Optio WP has a 3x optical zoom.

Mine should be here by Friday- looking forward to it!


Bruce
Flagstaff, AZ
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From: Bill Leonhardt <WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov>
subject: [Paddlewise] Question on a Double
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:39:09 -0400
Dear Paddlewisers,

Besides our regular boats, my wife and I have a small fleet of rather
insignificant kayaks that we use for guest, friends, family, etc.
Lately, we've considered acquiring a double and have seen one locally
for sale at a reasonable price.  The boat is (allegedly) made by Impex
kayaks and called an "Orca - Pyranah".

This is the only double I've ever seen where the rudder is controlled by
only the front paddler.  Does that seem normal to any of you?  I
envisage using this boat with a novice paired with a more experienced
paddler and, normally, I would expect to put the more experienced person
in the stern.

Comments, please.

Thanks,

Bill Leonhardt
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Question on a Double
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:09:33 -0400
Bill Leonhardt wrote:

> Lately, we've considered acquiring a double and have seen one locally
> for sale at a reasonable price.  The boat is (allegedly) made by Impex
> kayaks and called an "Orca - Pyranah".

Not sure what you've got there; the seller probably isn't, either. The 
Orca by Pyranha is a single and has nothing to do with Impex.

-- 
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
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From: John Snoddy <john_at_snoddy.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:01:23 -0800
I just added a Canon Optura 30 camcorder to my digital camera collection. Next project is to build a waterproof housing. I'm going to build a unit based roughly on a design by Andy Zarlengo (http://www.wakeworld.com/articles/2003/housing.asp). The title of his article is "Low Income Housing Project" - which is funny unless you are trying to use Google to find it!

My digital arsenal now includes:
Pentax Optio 33WR -- so waterproof I wear it around my neck or tucked in my PFD in all conditions
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ10 -- which stays in a Pelican case unless the water is calm or I'm on shore
Canon Optura 30  -- soon to be housed in a waterproof case

Once the housing is done (and fully tested!), I need to figure out how to mount it on my boat. Any suggestion?
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From: John Snoddy <john_at_snoddy.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:13:10 -0800
I just added a Canon Optura 30 camcorder to my digital camera collection. Next 
project is to build a waterproof housing. I'm going to build a unit based 
roughly on a design by Andy Zarlengo 
(http://www.wakeworld.com/articles/2003/housing.asp). The title of his article 
is "Low Income Housing Project" - which is funny unless you are trying to use 
Google to find it!

My digital arsenal now includes:
Pentax Optio 33WR -- so waterproof I wear it around my neck or tucked in my PFD 
in all conditions
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ10 -- which stays in a Pelican case unless the water is 
calm or I'm on shore
Canon Optura 30  -- soon to be housed in a waterproof case

Once the housing is done (and fully tested!), I need to figure out how to mount 
it on my boat. Any suggestion?
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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:03:54 EDT
In a message dated 4/20/2005 12:15:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
john_at_snoddy.com writes:

Once the  housing is done (and fully tested!), I need to figure out how to 
mount 
it  on my boat. Any suggestion?



You may want to check out the film, This Is The Sea by Justine Curgenven.  
Her website offers some details on equipment used. _www.cackletv.com_ 
(http://www.cackletv.com) .
 
Rob G
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:13:47 -0400
On 23 Apr 2005 at 19:48, Tord Eriksson wrote:

> Ricoh has come out with a water-proof camera!
> 
> Anyone know anything about it?

Looks like it's JIS7 waterproof only:
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02120301ricoh300g.asp>

Mike
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From: Tord Eriksson <tord_at_tord.nu>
subject: [Paddlewise] Fwd: Re: New Waterproof Digital Camera
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:21:14 +0200
On Saturday 23 April 2005 20.13, you wrote:
> On 23 Apr 2005 at 19:48, Tord Eriksson wrote:
> > Ricoh has come out with a water-proof camera!
> >
> > Anyone know anything about it?
>
> Looks like it's JIS7 waterproof only:
> <http://www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02120301ricoh300g.asp>

Enough for everyday paddling :-)!

I've seen it, but not tried it! Pretty expensive, too!


Tord
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