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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:33:22 +1100
"And the one piece of equipment that many people really don't spend
enough time learning to use is the kayak paddle! And the body that operates it."
So do you think any training course for kayakers should start by emphasising paddling fitness and paddle skills?   
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:47:17 -0700
The first course I ever attended for aspiring kayakers (sea kayaking in this 
case) was given by two volunteer ocean kayak association club members who 
gave of their time freely and liberally to the students who attended their 
courses. The first session was held in a classroom near the pool. One of the 
coaches was a well-known-in-Victoria lawyer (a really nice, flawlessly 
elegant orator) and a crusty, foul-mouthed former deep-sea fisherman who had 
witnessed more than his fair share of grief off the coast of BC and Alaska. 
It was an amusing alliance to witness at times, but the two men effectively 
communicated the realities of the sea. in no uncertain terms. The only thing 
profitable going on was the thoroughly informative, often gritty information 
we were given. While we did continue on through the course eventually 
graduating from pool sessions to sheltered water and then out to open water 
paddling, the first two things we learned in that classroom that first day 
(those many years ago for me now), were the hard facts on drowning and 
hypothermia. First impressions can stick with you for a lifetime.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC


Peter T said:

> "And the one piece of equipment that many people really don't spend
> enough time learning to use is the kayak paddle! And the body that 
> operates it."
> So do you think any training course for kayakers should start by 
> emphasising paddling fitness and paddle skills?
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:56:04 +1100
Doug said "...the first two things we learned in that classroom that 
first day (those many years ago for me now), were the hard facts on 
drowning and hypothermia. First impressions can stick with you for a 
lifetime."
Yet you have still been prepared to go out in high winds and marginal 
conditions and push the envelope. I'm still reeling after Andrew McAuley 
pushing his limits so far and failing. Leaves you wondering a lot. How 
do you comprehend your own mortality or anyone else's. What's a fair 
risk? If you take a risk and get away with it, you're a hero. If you 
fail and die, you were a reckless fool.
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:08:24 -0700
Peter Treby wrote:
> How do you comprehend your own mortality or anyone else's. What's a fair
>  risk? If you take a risk and get away with it, you're a hero. If you 
> fail and die, you were a reckless fool.

No one else decides that for you.  The hero/reckless fool categorization is 
a media creation, and is not based on much knowledge or competent information.

I would not think of Andrew as a fool or a hero, dead or alive.  He was 
just a guy doing something he was driven to do.  And, he died trying. 
Sometimes "stuff" happens.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:15:07 +1000
" If you take a risk and get away with it, you're a hero. If you fail 
and die, you were a reckless fool. "
Dave wrote: "The hero/reckless fool categorization is a media creation, 
and is not based on much knowledge or competent information. "
The hero/fool divide is seen in journalist's choices in how they spin a 
story, sure. So far, the Australian and New Zealand media have been 
restrained about Andrew, in what I've read. No condemnation, anyway. 
Media interest has now passed.
But there is a real division. Anyone taking great risk like Andrew, with 
whatever skill and preparation, is still going to need a good dose of 
luck. If "stuff happens", did the adventurer understand the magnitude of 
the impending disaster before taking on the risk? Does anyone really 
have an idea of what they are doing when playing with their own life? 
Modern affluent societies insulate people against death. It more often 
occurs out of sight in a hospital wards, rather than side-by-side 
hand-to-hand combat.
Is a life-threatening risk an essential part of high-end adventure?
I feel it is likely that someone else will eventually try a trans Tasman 
Sea kayak crossing, under the 40th parallel, and succeed. That person 
will need to make a life and death decision whether to launch, before 
committing to the crossing. What nerve will be required! Will it be 
worth it?
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From: Ari Saarto <asaarto_at_elisanet.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:31:55 +0300
Hi guys,

check the link: http://www.crossingtheditch.com.au/

I think they postponed the crossing for the next year.

Cheers,

Ari

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On 25. maalis 2007, at 04:15, Peter Treby wrote:

>
> I feel it is likely that someone else will eventually try a trans 
> Tasman Sea kayak crossing, under the 40th parallel, and succeed. That 
> person will need to make a life and death decision whether to launch, 
> before committing to the crossing. What nerve will be required! Will 
> it be worth it?
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From: Bradford R. Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:55:42 -0700
Quoting Peter Treby <ptreby_at_ozemail.com.au>:

> Doug said "...the first two things we learned in that classroom that
> first day (those many years ago for me now), were the hard facts on
> drowning and hypothermia. First impressions can stick with you for a
> lifetime."
> Yet you have still been prepared to go out in high winds and marginal
> conditions and push the envelope. I'm still reeling after Andrew
> McAuley pushing his limits so far and failing. Leaves you wondering a
> lot. How do you comprehend your own mortality or anyone else's. What's
> a fair risk? If you take a risk and get away with it, you're a hero. If
> you fail and die, you were a reckless fool.
>

      Someone said "All's well that ends well". Must have been an outdoors
person.

BRC
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From: Paul Montgomery <paul_at_paddleandoar.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:25:51 -0700
On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Bradford R. Crain wrote:

>      Someone said "All's well that ends well". Must have been an  
> outdoors
> person.

That would have been Shakespeare.

Paul Montgomery
paul_at_paddleandoar.com
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_magma.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:50:21 -0400
Paul Montgomery wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Bradford R. Crain wrote:
> 
>>      Someone said "All's well that ends well". Must have been an  
>> outdoors
>> person.
> 
> That would have been Shakespeare.

The Globe theatre had no roof!  He was an outdoors person!

Mike
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From: Ari Saarto <asaarto_at_elisanet.fi>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:28:34 +0200
Well,

though we we know that Mr. S. did not paddle, he was quite accurate... 
Please do follow what Torben and I are finding...

Cheers,

Ari -  lurking so many years
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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:27:02 -0700
>> Doug said "...the first two things we learned in that classroom that 
>> first day (those many years ago for me now), were the hard facts on 
>> drowning and hypothermia. First impressions can stick with you for a 
>> lifetime."

Petet T said:
> Yet you have still been prepared to go out in high winds and marginal 
> conditions and push the envelope. I'm still reeling after Andrew McAuley 
> pushing his limits so far and failing. Leaves you wondering a lot. How do 
> you comprehend your own mortality or anyone else's. What's a fair risk? If 
> you take a risk and get away with it, you're a hero. If you fail and die, 
> you were a reckless fool.

That's just it, I did then work hard to become "prepared" to go out in high 
winds and marginal conditions. Those preparations did include the two things 
you mentioned earlier,  namely fitness and paddle skills. I took those more 
seriously than gear and gadgets, and I took them seriously, precisely due to 
the threats of drowning and hypothermia drilled into me. I learned to skull 
and roll in combat conditions post haste. I worked out at the gym with 
weights three days a week and trained aerobically three times a week. I took 
courses on boat handling and seamanship/navigation with Derek Hutchinson (a 
style of paddling new to Canadian waters at the time; previously only river 
kayakers bothered with all that stuff) and signed up at the club for 
navigation/tidal courses. This is all standard stuff these days I take it. I 
took lifeguard-skills training too.

I knew I needed a backup to a missed roll, so got laughed at by some local 
paddlers for carrying a Matt Broze style self rescue at the time, using a 
half inflated water jug, which was actually effective in a narrow kayak 
helping prevent what now is called a paddlefloat rainbow. I added a SeaSeat 
when they came out immediately, though a lot of water had passed under the 
bilge by then. The general mood in the boating public at the time was a 
lackadaisical attitude toward the risks of hypothermia and drowning as 
evidenced by a huge push from organizations like the Red Cross, promoting 
and encouraging PFD use every time I walked into a mall, and further 
evidenced by funded research at the University of Victoria into hypothermia 
effects.

I learned to understand local weather patterns and how, why, when and where 
warm and cold fronts moved through the area. Much of this was done, not in 
an effort of avoidance, but to plan the "perfect crime" when it came to 
rough water paddling. Knowledge gained from a timely understanding of your 
local weather can be used for avoidance or compromise, as with the knowledge 
of tide and current hazards. It's a paddler's choice. Same knowledge skills, 
applied differently - or for different reasons.

I argued with guys like Matt and John Dowd in paper based forums, defending 
the superiority of tough-made, narrow kayaks like the Nordkapp. I knew in my 
heart kayaks like the Nordkapp _didn't_ actually take care of you out there. 
So I learned to take care of myself. I realized my kayak would cooperate 
with me in a rough seaway if I let it do its thing, but skills needed to be 
acute. I got beat up real badly, suffering agonizing shoulder tendonitis, so 
eventually fought of more laughs by adding a rudder and outfitting for a 
tight cockpit fit. I learned to stretch the correct way to avoid cramping. I 
spent an addition 400 hours over the next few years, modifying my kayak, 
while playing with hand-pump locations (based on input from harrowing 
ordeals), paddlefloat outrigger locations for strap down, boom-proofing 
rudder controls, etc. As Andrew McAuley may have found out, any inherent or 
missed weakness in you or your equipment will be exploited by the sea fully. 
Being seaworthy is so much more than just buoyancy.

Your question about whether I have the ability to comprehend my own 
mortality or anyone else's is a valid question. I'm not sure if you were 
asking me or making a general statement about the comprehension levels for 
any paddler. Perhaps Ill answer using an email I replied to the other day, 
backchannel. I'll remove the recipient's words and name, other than to say 
they were thanking me for my contributions to Paddlewise:

"Thanks (name removed). I usually try to see an issue from everyone's 
perspective.Maybe it's a Canadian thing - you know, don't want to offend 
anyone while
also appearing to understand all sides taken by each respective party. 
Actually, over the last 30 plus years of canoeing, river kayaking, kayak 
touring, and rough water sea kayaking, I have a pretty good idea where the 
balance usually lies with respect to what works in real-world conditions, 
actual gear attributes, and the correct importance between elements like 
skill and judgment - especially how that integrates with experience. In the 
end, it's all about respecting the particular environment you are paddling 
through - in my case, mostly the open ocean and slightly more sheltered 
waters on really rough days. Respect of the sea sounds mutually exclusive to 
an attitude where one enjoys being out in harsh conditions, but in reality, 
the need to balance all the issues becomes finely attenuated. At least,
that's what I tell myself. Take care; Safe paddling. Doug"

It's kind of funny that you ask how I can comprehend my own mortality, if 
that is indeed what you were wondering. For better or worse, that's perhaps 
my point, especially being a mostly solo paddler: I've had to comprehend my 
own mortality many times over during the years of paddling. I seriously 
started doing that after that first classroom session.

Doug Lloyd
Victoria BC


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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:02:02 -0700
Peter T said (snip):

> But there is a real division. Anyone taking great risk like Andrew, with 
> whatever skill and preparation, is still going to need a good dose of 
> luck. If "stuff happens", did the adventurer understand the magnitude of 
> the impending disaster before taking on the risk? Does anyone really have 
> an idea of what they are doing when playing with their own life? Modern 
> affluent societies insulate people against death. It more often occurs out 
> of sight in a hospital wards, rather than side-by-side hand-to-hand 
> combat.

My read on this is Andrew probably realized toward the end that he had bit 
off a huge chunk to chew on. It wasn't more than he could chew, but 
something did choke him dead in the end, you might say.

While the magnetism of Andrew's appeal lay in his choice of using a 
reasonably ordinary kayak, it may have been his downfall too, given the 
possible failure of his home-made capsule. We will know more, I hope, when 
friends finish their documentary of his trip. As a general rule, your 
typical sea kayak isn't designed for long crossings, hence the more 
successful exploit with the Peter Bray styled full-canopy cockpit kayak 
across the very rough Atlantic.

And there is really only one way to see how much you are playing with your 
life sea kayaking, ocean canoeing, etc. That is to do a wet exit in cold, 
excited seas and see how difficult your self rescue is to perform, how well 
your ability to pump out is (if cockpit equipped), and then also reattach 
your spray skirt if so equipped and required for continuance of the voyage. 
And just how able are you to continue with paddling, unassisted.

Doug L 
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From: James <jimtibensky_at_fastmail.fm>
subject: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:44:32 -0500
Peter Treby said: "And the one piece of equipment that many people
really don't spend enough time learning to use is the kayak paddle! And
the body that operates it."

So do you think any training course for kayakers should start by
emphasising paddling fitness and paddle skills?   


My delayed reply:

I was paddling in the Everglades for Spring break [with seven teenage
girls and three other adults, an experience worthy of a story in
itself!], so my apologies for the slow reply.

I don't think any training course should ignore the body and the skills
of paddle use, but I would guess that the meat of that training should
be somewhere along the progression from intermediate to expert. 
Beginners need motivation and safety skills. Once they commit to more
adventerous paddling, then the fitness, flexibility and higher skills
should be empahsized.  Higher skills being rolls on both sides, rudder
strokes that work in many angles, braces in a lot of situations and
directions, a quiver of forward strokes.  The rescue and re-entry skills
are critical, of course, but my balance and fitness make me less likely
to need the back-up stuff.  Not to dismiss the rescue/re-entry skills,
but just to put fitness, flexibility and paddle skills above rescue in
my daily paddles.

I do things like paddle without a paddle while edging my boat in order
to challenge my balance so that nature's challenges will not surprise
me.  I was a successful slalom racer living in Chicago (no whitewater
within a hundred miles).  I think the success was, in great measure, due
to fooling around in my boat without a paddle while the boat is on edge.
 My slalom workouts in flatwater gates would include one run through the
course using only the left blade, one using only the right blade, one
using only my hands and one doing all the gates backwards.

I have paddling obsessive-compulsive disorder.  I know better than to
expect everyone else to be as committed (disturbed, insane) but I think
a little of that isn't so bad.  When I teach "Balance and Felxibility in
Your Boat" at symposiums the more advanced paddlers seem to learn a lot
and like the class.  I have attached it so you can see what I'm talking
about.

Jim Tibensky

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From: <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:27:08 EDT
In a message dated 3/24/2007 9:30:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
douglloyd_at_shaw.ca writes:

It's  kind of funny that you ask how I can comprehend my own mortality, if 
that  is indeed what you were wondering. For better or worse, that's perhaps 
my  point, especially being a mostly solo paddler: I've had to comprehend my  
own mortality many times over during the years of paddling. I seriously  
started doing that after that first classroom session.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It is late Saturday AM here in the Northwest. I am at my keyboard instead  of 
pulling the boats off the car at the Columbia River bar where my mates are.  
We left the house at a quarter to 6 and listened to NOAA's forecast for gales  
and 2-3 inches of rain. At 6AM this morning I took the first exit and went 
home,  instead. I've paddled in gales before. I've paddled in heavy rain before. 
I've  driven through them to get to the put in before. Something told me 
today was a  bad idea to combine these activities. Perhaps mortality was not in so 
much  consideration, but the setting of a bad example was.
 
Cheers,
 
Rob G

 



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From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:50:42 -0700
Setting a bad example is a consideration to be mindful about, whether real 
or imagined, witnessed or not. It is one issue I've never been able to 
quantify or qualify completely. Having done my best more recently to avoid 
playing in an arena where there's lots of public visibility, I strive seek 
more remote areas to venture.

In the end, I've had to make a decision to adjudge and assess a potential 
paddle outing based not only on hard facts, but including intuition and gut 
feeling generally - and rather than concerns over public perception once I 
account for the variables, notwithstanding keeping a lower profile when I 
can. I still feel safer kayaking in gnarly sea conditions with rain than I 
do white water kayaking on swollen rivers - something paddlers do often and 
pay the ultimate sacrifice for their love of the sport.

Heavy rain combined with possible low visibility in gale-force weather is 
one of the mixtae I try to avoid in my continuae of paddling challenges. 
I've had to deal with those exact combined conditions on the open sea during 
trips where I wasn't purposely pursuing said conditions. I certainly don't 
like to pursue the experience in a widespread way. I also try to avoid 
paddling in extreme artic-outflow winds. We all can answer Peter T's 
question about what is a fair risk for us individually. Absolutely. Being a 
bad example, per se, is somewhat more subjective no matter what your 
experience level. That's my take on it anyway.

Doug L

> It's  kind of funny that you ask how I can comprehend my own mortality, if
> that  is indeed what you were wondering. For better or worse, that's 
> perhaps
> my  point, especially being a mostly solo paddler: I've had to comprehend 
> my
> own mortality many times over during the years of paddling. I seriously
> started doing that after that first classroom session.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>> It is late Saturday AM here in the Northwest. I am at my keyboard instead 
>> of
>> pulling the boats off the car at the Columbia River bar where my mates 
>> are.
>> We left the house at a quarter to 6 and listened to NOAA's forecast for 
>> gales
>> and 2-3 inches of rain. At 6AM this morning I took the first exit and 
>> went
>> home,  instead. I've paddled in gales before. I've paddled in heavy rain 
>> before.
>> I've  driven through them to get to the put in before. Something told me
>> today was a  bad idea to combine these activities. Perhaps mortality was 
>> not in so
>> much  consideration, but the setting of a bad example was.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rob G
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From: Gordin Warner <gwarner2_at_shaw.ca>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:36:50 -0700
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Rob,

Years ago I use to ride a motorcycle.  Sometimes I'd be looking forward to a 
ride.  I'd grab the helmet, my jacket, take the keys off the peg, throw the 
leg over the seat, start the engine, let it warm up, then I'd get a feeling 
and just shut everything down.  I've learned to trust those premolitions, 
gut feelings, call them what you wish.  Somedays you bait the bull and other 
days you look the bull straight in the eye and you'd better be able to 
recognize what's looking back at you.

Sometimes walking away is the perfect example to set.

gordin warner
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:21:05 -0700
On 3/24/07, Rcgibbert_at_aol.com <Rcgibbert_at_aol.com> wrote:

> Something told me
> today was a  bad idea to combine these activities. Perhaps mortality was
> not in so
> much  consideration, but the setting of a bad example was.
>

Years ago my wife and I untied our 32-foot sailboat from a dock at a marina
in Oregon and headed out to resume our trip down to California. The weather
report was good and the day was clear and nice but for some reason I had a
funny feeling about the day and we opted to head up the river and tie up at
a public dock in a small town about 5 miles away. By noon the wind was NW'ly
at 40kts and by 3pm it was blowing 50+outside. We were laying on the grass
eating ice cream cones and watching a girls' softball match.

Friends who were out in that NW'ly storm were heavily damaged. And got no
ice cream either. Sometimes it pays to listen to your gut feeling.

Craig Jungers
Royal City, WA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:00:44 -0700
On 4/2/07, James <jimtibensky_at_fastmail.fm> wrote:

> I don't think any training course should ignore the body and the skills
> of paddle use....


The television program "Me versus Me" had a segment last week featuring a
young female w/w paddler with 19 years experience (she started young) but
who needed some skill sharpening to move her into Class 4 water. They paired
her with Eric Jackson who started with paddle strokes.

This young lady was good enough to do a hand roll in the pool so her years
on the water were not for nothing, but Eric Jackson's paddle strokes were
nothing short of awesome. And her progress using his techniques was
impressive.

One clip in particular that showed him ferrying across a fast-moving stream
with a series of forward strokes and draw strokes was incredible to watch He
made it look so easy that when his student tried the same ferry she (with a
lot of experience) looked like a beginner.

One of Jackson's quotes was that most paddlers do not use their paddles as
well as they should. I have to agree. I always thought I was pretty good
with my paddles after so many years of canoing and kayaking but watching
Jackson perform that ferry was an eye opening experience for me.

So I have to agree with Jim. The techniques of paddling seem so simple until
you see a virtuoso in action and realize just how much you don't understand.


Craig Jungers
Royal City, WA
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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: RE:[Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:42:53 -0700
Jim wrote:
>>>>><Snip>I think the success was, in great measure, due
to fooling around in my boat without a paddle while the boat is on edge.
 My slalom workouts in flatwater gates would include one run through the
course using only the left blade, one using only the right blade, one
using only my hands and one doing all the gates backwards.<snip><<<<

Now that's my idea of a learning progression. Try everything, challenge
yourself, and learn (by doing) what works best for different purposes and
conditions. Good instruction can help speed things up at first but
instruction can also get in your way later if you don't experiment well out
of the bounds of the instructors "rules".

Matt Broze
www.marinerkayaks.com
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From: Scott Hilliard <kiayker_at_sbcglobal.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] RE:Skills
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:23:03 -0700
Matt wrote;

>>Good instruction can help speed things up at first but
instruction can also get in your way later if you don't experiment well out
of the bounds of the instructors "rules".

   While this is certainly true in too many cases, I think a good instructor
is someone who challenges the student both physically and mentally, and
doesn't set any hard and fast "rules." I try to make people "think" in my
classes, which at least in my opinion is the most important "skill" of all.

Craig Junger wrote;

>>I always thought I was pretty good
with my paddles after so many years of canoing and kayaking but watching
Jackson perform that ferry was an eye opening experience for me.

   I know the feeling. I had the privilege of spending a weekend training
with Bob Foote and Karen Knight a while back - WOW! I guess I've still got a
lot of work to do :-)

Scott
So.Cal.
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From: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Skills
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:40:56 -0400
Jim sent me a copy of his list of weird strokes. It's posted at 
http://www.savvypaddler.com/WeirdStrokesFullBest.pdf

James wrote:
> When I teach "Balance and Felxibility in
> Your Boat" at symposiums the more advanced paddlers seem to learn a lot
> and like the class.  I have attached it so you can see what I'm talking
> about.
> 
> Jim Tibensky
> 
> [demime 1.01e removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a 
name of WeirdStrokesFullBest.pdf]


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Steve Cramer
Athens, GA
http://www.savvypaddler.com
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From: John Kirk-Anderson <jka_at_netaccess.co.nz>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Weird strokes
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:13:13 +1200
on 4/4/07 01:40, Steve Cramer at cramersec_at_charter.net wrote:

> Jim sent me a copy of his list of weird strokes. It's posted at
> http://www.savvypaddler.com/WeirdStrokesFullBest.pdf
> 
> James wrote:
>> When I teach "Balance and Felxibility in
>> Your Boat" at symposiums the more advanced paddlers seem to learn a lot
>> and like the class.
>> 
>> Jim Tibensky
>> 

> 
At our national forum I run a session I call Silly Strokes. You know, all
those daft things that get people stretching, twisting and using their
blades to do more than just go forward. It is a very popular session and we
all have a lot of fun.

It is based, very closely, on a section from Alan Byde's original, "Living
Canoeing" and an article in Sea Kayaker by Nigel Foster.

Well, this year I was busted!

Both Alan and Nigel were at the forum and I felt like a plagiarist. Both
were gracious in their praise that their ideas were being carried on.

Phew.

Cheers

JKA
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