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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Paddlers -
Tell me again what your recommendation is to prevent heal rum inside your
kayak from the paddlers heals on the hull.
I see that my kayaks have heal rub worn areas where my heals rest on the
inside of the hull.
When to Tap Plastics who recommended "Goop Coat-IT". Had second thoughts and
thought i better check with the kayak experts with more experience than i
have, YOU - PaddleWise emphasis on the wise part based on expeience both good
and ... well not so good.
Look forward to your response, feedback, suggestions and recommendations.....
 
Regards,
John
Santa Rosa, CA
seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:54:13 -0700
Heal Rum and some curacao and lime juice make a great Mai Tai!!!

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 Paddlers -
Tell me again what your recommendation is to prevent heal rum 
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From: Paul Montgomery <paul_at_paddleandoar.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:06:12 -0700
On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Mark Sanders wrote:

> Heal Rum and some curacao and lime juice make a great Mai Tai!!!


Actually, if you're using heal rum, it's called a Mai Toe...

Duck and Cover

Paul Montgomery
paul_at_paddleandoar.com
http://paddleandoar.com
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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:33:59 -0700
Darn, how did I miss that one!!!
Mark

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On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Mark Sanders wrote:

> Heal Rum and some curacao and lime juice make a great Mai Tai!!!


Actually, if you're using heal rum, it's called a Mai Toe...

Duck and Cover

Paul Montgomery
paul_at_paddleandoar.com
http://paddleandoar.com
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:52:07 -0700
> When to Tap Plastics who recommended "Goop Coat-IT". Had second
> thoughts and
> thought i better check with the kayak experts with more experience than
> i
> have, 
[Steve Holtzman] I have used a neoprene pad that is glued inside the hull
where my heels rest.

But has anybody tried using this material for a keel strip on the bow and
stern to prevent rubbing the gel coat off during launches and landings?

Steve Holtzman
Southern California
 

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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:15:17 -0700
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote:

>
>
> But has anybody tried using this material for a keel strip on the bow and
> stern to prevent rubbing the gel coat off during launches and landings?
>
>
Someone on West Coast Paddlers tried putting the material that they coat
pickup truck beds with and it was ok for a while but didn't last even a
year.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:19:21 -0700
Thanks Craig,

 

I guess I'll stick to just a layer of FG cloth. That at least lasts for a
while.

 

Steve Holtzman
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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:33:30 -0700 (PDT)
Sounds like some WestCoast kayakers paddler their kayaks harder than they drive their pick-up rigs.
This all got started when i decided to "spruce up" my Tofino that i've been paddleing for the past fifteenyears or so. The deck looks a lot better than the hull. It has taken a lot of use and abuse. So this has been my first time doing gel-coat repair. Got a lot yet to learn.
j in santarosaca

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote:

From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
To: "Steve Holtzman" <sh_at_actglobal.net>
Cc: seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com, paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:15 PM

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote:

>
>
> But has anybody tried using this material for a keel strip on the bow and
> stern to prevent rubbing the gel coat off during launches and landings?
>
>
Someone on West Coast Paddlers tried putting the material that they coat
pickup truck beds with and it was ok for a while but didn't last even a
year.


Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA
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From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:09:54 -0700
I almost always wear booties to protect my feet from the inside of the
fiberglass hull. This means that my heels don't actually rub on the hull
when I paddle. However, I have used think high-density foam panels that I've
glued to the bottom of the hull where my heels rest. This was in a w/w boat
with very little room for my feet (I had to point them like a ballerina on
her tippy-toes).

Dave Kruger probably has some sort of chemical wizardry to help, too.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM, John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

> Paddlers -
> Tell me again what your recommendation is to prevent heal rum inside your
> kayak from the paddlers heals on the hull.
> I see that my kayaks have heal rub worn areas where my heals rest on the
> inside of the hull.
> When to Tap Plastics who recommended "Goop Coat-IT". Had second thoughts
> and
> thought i better check with the kayak experts with more experience than i
> have, YOU - PaddleWise emphasis on the wise part based on expeience both
> good
> and ... well not so good.
> Look forward to your response, feedback, suggestions and
> recommendations.....
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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
Thank you Craig and i'll look forward to Dave's chemical wizardry.
Regards,
j
Santa Rosa, CA
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote:

From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
To: seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com
Cc: paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:09 PM



I almost always wear booties to protect my feet from the inside of the fiberglass hull. This means that my heels don't actually rub on the hull when I paddle. However, I have used think high-density foam panels that I've glued to the bottom of the hull where my heels rest. This was in a w/w boat with very little room for my feet (I had to point them like a ballerina on her tippy-toes).

Dave Kruger probably has some sort of chemical wizardry to help, too.

Craig Jungers
Moses Lake, WA


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM, John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Paddlers -
Tell me again what your recommendation is to prevent heal rum inside your
kayak from the paddlers heals on the hull.
I see that my kayaks have heal rub worn areas where my heals rest on the
inside of the hull.
When to Tap Plastics who recommended "Goop Coat-IT". Had second thoughts and
thought i better check with the kayak experts with more experience than i
have, YOU - PaddleWise emphasis on the wise part based on expeience both good
and ... well not so good.
Look forward to your response, feedback, suggestions and recommendations.....
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From: Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:03:03 -0700
John H wrote:
> Thank you Craig and i'll look forward to Dave's chemical wizardry.
> Regards,

No wizardry.  Wear something softer than the fiberglas:  wet suit booties. 
  Or, coat the inside of the hull with a sacrificial material:  Shoe Goo or 
similar.  Replace it when it wears off.

-- 
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
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From: Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:21:39 -0400
I put sections of ice and water shield, or a similar deck joist material
where my heels go.  It's quite thin and wears well.  Some people also
put a strip where the paddle hits the deck on close paddle plants.


Kirk

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:03:03 -0700, "Dave Kruger" <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>
said:
> John H wrote:
> > Thank you Craig and i'll look forward to Dave's chemical wizardry.
> > Regards,
> 
> No wizardry.  Wear something softer than the fiberglas:  wet suit
> booties. 
>   Or, coat the inside of the hull with a sacrificial material:  Shoe Goo
>   or 
> similar.  Replace it when it wears off.
-- 
  Kirk Olsen
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From: <kayakwriter_at_aim.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:42:26 -0400
I'm another some body on West Coast Paddlers who had the pick up truck coating put on. 



http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144373/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144343/


Mine's still holding up fine after more than a year. But maybe I'm just a lightweight paddler; I don't do a lot of rock gardening.

If you go for this, and the place gives you a choice between "slick" and "sticky" finishes, take the "slick" so it won't hang up on the beach during launches and landings.

Cheers,

Philip







-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
To: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
Cc: seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak



On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote:


>

>

> But has anybody tried using this material for a keel strip on the bow and

> stern to prevent rubbing the gel coat off during launches and landings?

>

>

Someone on West Coast Paddlers tried putting the material that they coat

pickup truck beds with and it was ok for a while but didn't last even a

year.



Craig Jungers

Moses Lake, WA
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From: John H <seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Phill --- VERY Nice.
Thanks,
john

--- On Tue, 9/9/08, kayakwriter_at_aim.com <kayakwriter_at_aim.com> wrote:

From: kayakwriter_at_aim.com <kayakwriter_at_aim.com>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal
rub inside kayak
To: crjungers_at_gmail.com, sh_at_actglobal.net
Cc: seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com, paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 2:42 PM



I'm another some body on West Coast Paddlers who had the pick up truck coating
put on.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144373/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144343/

Mine's still holding up fine after more than a year. But maybe I'm just a
lightweight paddler; I don't do a lot of rock gardening.

If you go for this, and the place gives you a choice between "slick" and
"sticky" finishes, take the "slick" so it won't hang up on the beach during
launches and landings.

Cheers,

Philip




-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>
To: Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net>
Cc: seajohnkayak_at_yahoo.com; paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal
rub inside kayak


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Steve Holtzman <sh_at_actglobal.net> wrote:





>


>


> But has anybody tried using this material for a keel strip on the bow and


> stern to prevent rubbing the gel coat off during launches and landings?


>


>


Someone on West Coast Paddlers tried putting the material that they coat


pickup truck beds with and it was ok for a while but didn't last even a


year.








Craig Jungers


Moses Lake, WA





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From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:08:52 -0700
Did they put the coating right over the gelcoat???

-----Original Message-----

I'm another some body on West Coast Paddlers who had the pick up truck
coating put on.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144373/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/kayakwriter/437144343/


Mine's still holding up fine after more than a year. But maybe I'm just a
lightweight paddler; I don't do a lot of rock gardening.

If you go for this, and the place gives you a choice between "slick" and
"sticky" finishes, take the "slick" so it won't hang up on the beach during
launches and landings.

Cheers,

Philip
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From: <kayakwriter_at_aim.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:21:38 -0400
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com>
To: kayakwriter_at_aim.com
Cc: paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net
Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 3:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] QQ: tell me again - best protection to prevent heal rub inside kayak










Did they put the coating right over the gelcoat???


As far I know; I wasn't charged for any surface prep. They might some sort of wash they use to assure good adhesion.

Cheers,

Philip
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