Hi all, I am tired of all my junk getting smacked around inside my hull when i capsize or go over big waves and I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or recommendations? If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. Thanks, Robin Lovelock P.S.- 77 deg. in Mobile Al. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/20/99 9:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gratytshrk_at_aol.com writes: > If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of > the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. Try using equipment bags like mesh ditty bags. No suggestion on tying down but I put a "dummy cord" on everything so I don't loose it if I wet exit. Brian *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I just finished installing two under-deck bunjie cords for my wife's boat. Took four pad-eyes, drilled holes for them. The pad-eyes are beneath the deck with bunjies tied to them. They are held in place with 8-32 stainless flathead machine bolts (1/2 inch will be just right for most decks). Above the deck, the flathead bolts are cradled in finishing (cup) washers. This protects the deck from strain from the bolt head while doubling as a neat repository for the sealer that I used to seal the hole. The bolts are secured below with stop nuts. Under the deck above the bunjies, I glued some 1/4 inch neoprene padding to keep things from sliding too much and from banging against the deck. If she likes it, maybe I'll even do the same for my boat. Bob Volin bobvolin_at_bestweb.net -----Original Message----- From: Gratytshrk_at_aol.com <Gratytshrk_at_aol.com> To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:28 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] inner hull tie devices >Hi all, >I am tired of all my junk getting smacked around inside my hull when i capsize >or go over big waves and I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place >some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I >was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some >fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or >recommendations? If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of >the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. >Thanks, >Robin Lovelock >P.S.- 77 deg. in Mobile Al. >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Gratytshrk_at_aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > I am tired of all my junk getting smacked around inside my hull when i capsize > or go over big waves and I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place > some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I > was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some > fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or > recommendations? If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of > the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. Others have described ways of securing padeyes to the underside of the deck using stainless hardware -- that works well. I have a couple smallish bungie cords secured that way which form a cradle for a knee tube. The tube runs from the front of the cockpit forward a foot or so. The knee tube is handy for stuff and keeps it dry and easy to yard out of the boat as a unit when you go ashore. I use two kinds of knee tubes. The "large" size is made of 4-inch thin-wall PVC pipe (used around here for drain fields, mainly -- get the unperforated type). You can glue an endcap on one end and slide-fit another endcap on the end nearer to you. The small size is a commercial unit designed to hold a multi-piece breakdown flyrod. It has a screw-down, gasketed lid and is available in two sizes: 19 inches and 15 inches overall length. they are called "Rod Guards" and are manufactured by K.I.W.O.T.O., Inc. I got mine at an industrial supply store (welders use them to keep their unused **welding** rods dry), but a better sporting good store should have them, also. Works well for charts if they are laminated in plastic, and will hold sunscreen, a Power Bar, etc. Almost no entrapment hazard from the bungies -- too small to snare a foot. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have had success with the plastic D-rings with plate and using Marine Goop to "glue" them in place under the deck in my cockpit of my Romany 16. Put four in and strung a piece of shock cord between them in an X pattern. Store my paddle float there when I don't need the space for a small dry bag with personal first aid supplies, binoculars, camera and the like. Did a similar thing on the bulkhead behind my seat, only there I used three D-rings and epoxied them in place. Formed a triangle with shock cord. Again, a good place for the paddle float. The trick to the upside down placement of the D- rings in the cockpit was to hang the boat upside down at the proper level so I could stand with my head inside the cockpit. I pre-marked the position to place the D-rings. Roughed the surfaces with some sandpaper, cleaned them well and applied the Goop to the plate and placed them, with D-ring in place, on the marks. I then covered the area with waxed paper and placed a nylon water bag filled with warm water, over the waxed paper so as to apply even pressure over the area. Waited 24 hours for the Goop to setup, removed the water bag, waxed paper and any excess Goop. Strung the shockcord and lowered the boat back down. I've also Gooped in D-rings inside my hatches to attach my keys to as well as to tether my hatch covers (they have tabs on the inside) to. I've not had any problems with either the Gooped or epoxied D-rings, though an engineer friend suggested the Goop would be more forgiving of the temperature extremes that I paddle in as it is more flexible than epoxy. I've also seen a boat that instead of the plated D-ring, a D-ring was secured to the hull by a piece of flat webbing being epoxied on both ends to the hull with the D-ring in the middle of it. I think these methods will work well on composite boats (fiberglass, kevlar) but not sure about on plastic boats. The trick is in the adhesive. Good Luck. John Browning Milwaukee, WI www.wildernessconnection.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
WildConect_at_aol.com wrote: > I have had success with the plastic D-rings with plate and using Marine Goop > to "glue" them in place under the deck in my cockpit of my Romany 16. I've done similar. I sewed the D-rings to a square of Cordura with webbing (actually, two layers of Cordura). I sew it so the rough surface of the Cordura is on the opposite side from the D in order to give the glue lots of fuzzy bits to stick to. I used 3M 5200 as adhesive. No problems so far. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
All of this talk about ways of tying stuff inside the hulls reminds me of variations that can be used in folding kayaks. In most folding kayaks, there is generally enough room around you to sides where you can place bags. A number of sources sell special zippereed bags that can fit in those areas alongside your hips or legs. Among sources are Baidarka and Long Haul Products. The former sells 2 sizes of Kaipaks meant for use in either the Nautiraid or Kleppers. When in doubt, choose the Klepper size. The second company makes a variety of cockpit bags including one that is totally waterproof, rugged, and comes with a metal waterproof zipper. The bags have straps in their upper corners, which are fastened to the closest ribs. They tuck in nicely out of the way and zip open to access quite a lot of gear. In broader boats like the Klepper singles, the bags prove real handy as hip pads to give you some measure of hip control of your boat in turns. (BTW, in the broader folding kayaks, you can carry tons of camping gear around you using all that space between the ribs in the cockpit area. You don't need special bags. All you do is strap it to the gunwales and other long pieces alongside the inside of the boats. Plain webbing straps, the kind you to tie sleeping bags and sleeping mats to back packs work well enough especially ones with snap fastex closures. By utilizing the space around you, which is basically the center of the boat, you have a neutral effect on overall trim.) In folding kayaks that have a tighter fit, particularly the Feathercraft K-Light, you don't have much space for attaching anything close to your hips. But, you can use the top deck bar in front of you to attach any of these bags. The best, for my money (and it is expensive $80) is the Waterproof Cockpit bag from Long Haul Products. The easiest way to attach is to just attach the far end strap of the bag to the top bar and slide the bag in and out as you enter and leave the boat. (The strap acts like a shower curtain ring on a rod.) Same for accessing its contents. Just pull on the unattached end and bring the whole bag into the cockpit on to your lap. There you can open it wide and take out stuff. To reach Baidarka send email to Larry Edwards <72037.3607_at_compuserve.com> Long Haul Products I think has a website now. Its phone number has changed. Can't seem to find it at the moment. If you need it, email me and I will look for it. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph Diaz wrote: > In most folding kayaks, there is generally enough room around you to > sides where you can place bags. Yes and there is another place most people don't think of: Take a waterproof bag as your seat (but strap it to the sides or ribs of your boat for the case you have to leave your boat up side down). Especially in folding doubles you normally want to sit much higher, than the seats are, you got with your boat. But also in most singles you are in the need to have some space between your and the boats bottom. > (BTW, in the broader folding kayaks, you can carry tons of camping > gear around you using all that space between the ribs in the cockpit > area. You don't need special bags. All you do is strap it to the > gunwales and other long pieces alongside the inside of the boats. > Plain webbing straps, the kind you to tie sleeping bags and sleeping > mats to back packs work well enough especially ones with snap fastex > closures. By utilizing the space around you, which is basically the > center of the boat, you have a neutral effect on overall trim.) But it makes sense to use waterproof bags. Most camping gear does not like to stay wet for longer periods especially in salty water. And there is another reason to use bags: Watertight bags strapped to the boat have a lot of air inside and are additional flotation devices. Those bags are normally not airtight, but the air gets out much slower than the time you need to re-enter your boat. BTW.: I produce my watertight bags at home, using PVC-foil. Bags are easily glued and/or welded, costs are minimal (I use rests [? my English is not the best] from a small factory) and I can make them fitting exactly to my several boats. Rainer Schröter, Marburg, Germany *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
schroete_at_mailer.uni-marburg.de wrote: > > Ralph Diaz wrote: > > > In most folding kayaks, there is generally enough room around you to > > sides where you can place bags. > > Yes and there is another place most people don't think of: Take a > waterproof bag as your seat (but strap it to the sides or ribs of > your boat for the case you have to leave your boat up side down). > Especially in folding doubles you normally want to sit much higher, > than the seats are, you got with your boat. But also in most singles > you are in the need to have some space between your and the boats > bottom. I am glad you brought up the idea of sitting on bags that substitute for seats on long camping trips. It is a good place to put soft stuff...you would not want to be sitting on pots and pans!!! :-) The best kind of bag to use under you is one with an air bleed valve or better yet an inflate/deflate tube. This way you can puff up the bag if sea conditions are calm or deflate in rough conditions to lower your center of gravity. When I wrote about this in my folding kayak book, the Voyageur Caboose bag was a good choice for a combo seat/dry storage bag because of being waterproof and having an inflate/deflate tube. There are other bags on the market that do this to a degree now. > > > (BTW, in the broader folding kayaks, you can carry tons of camping > > gear around you using all that space between the ribs in the cockpit > > area. You don't need special bags. All you do is strap it to the > > gunwales and other long pieces alongside the inside of the boats. > > Plain webbing straps, the kind you to tie sleeping bags and sleeping > > mats to back packs work well enough especially ones with snap fastex > > closures. By utilizing the space around you, which is basically the > > center of the boat, you have a neutral effect on overall trim.) > > But it makes sense to use waterproof bags. Most camping gear does not > like to stay wet for longer periods especially in salty water. Absolutely. Again this advice to protect everything is in the Camping chapter in my book and I am glad you brought it up. When I said no need for special bags, I meant no need for those zipped bags used to hold things for use during the day's trip. Any bags used for camping gear must be of the dry bag variety. I have seen more than one set of aluminum tent poles corroded beyond use because kayakers thought that they would be immune to water exposure and just dropped them somewhere in their cargo compartments. So I protect them in a dry bag as well. Same goes for sleeping pads, even those that are covered with waterproof material and stuffed with insulation that will absorb little water, if any. They do remain wet to the touch for long periods. I have been around more than one kayak camper who thought he did not have to protect his sleeping pad. It got soaked and, arriving at the campsite late in the day, did not provide enough time or sunlight to dry. Poor guy had a miserable night. No it wasn't me! :-) The only minor exception of sorts that I make is that I do have some dry bags that aren't as well sealed as I hoped when I bought them or have lost perfection over the years. I will place cooking gear in them...so the contents are somewhat protected but failure would at worse be just a minor disaster. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > I have seen more than one set of > aluminum tent poles corroded beyond use because kayakers thought that > they would be immune to water exposure and just dropped them somewhere > in their cargo compartments. So I protect them in a dry bag as well. This is more of a problem for salt water paddlers. Us Great Lakes folks get away with not protecting this stuff since corrosion of aluminum in fresh water is negligible. I've used carabiners on my boats without problem until the first time I paddled on the Atlantic - one corroded to the point it wouldn't open easily within a few days! > They do remain wet to the touch for long periods. I have been > around more than one kayak camper who thought he did not have to protect > his sleeping pad. It got soaked and, arriving at the campsite late in > the day, did not provide enough time or sunlight to dry. Poor guy had a > miserable night. No it wasn't me! :-) Again a bit more of a problem in sea water. Since the salt is a tad hydrophilic, stuff never completely dries. I never protect my sleeping pad, though I'm always telling myself to do something about it one of these days. Your points are well taken, Ralph. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place >some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I >was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some >fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or >recommendations? >Thanks, >Robin Lovelock > In my narrow kayak, I need to carry weight for day trips, as the boat is designed to run with a load. I used one inch plastic D rings, glassed-in with one inch wide strips of epoxied cloth, three inches long. I used vasoline on the bottom rung of the ring so it would be free to swivel a bit once the epoxy dried. Just prior to glassing in the four rings, I sewed 3/4 inch nylon webbing straps (about ten inches for each piece of strap) onto each D ring, with a fastex buckle which joins the two ends. I used four D rings, creating a pair of hold-down straps. They are eight inches apart (each mating pair) and twenty inches apart in lenght to accomodate a gear bag full of weight or hold down a dromadary bag (excuse spelling). The ability to provide a secure hold-down is important for rolling, etc. Whatever you do, just do it - don't be afraid to modify your boat, its the American,errrr, North American way! Doug Lloyd Victoria BC ( 8 dergrees Celcius) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:57 PM 1/20/99 -0500, Gratytshrk_at_aol.com wrote: >Hi all, >I am tired of all my junk getting smacked around inside my hull when i capsize >or go over big waves and I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place >some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I >was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some >fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or >recommendations? If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of >the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. >Thanks, >Robin Lovelock Dear Robin, et al, I've asked this question before and we've pretty much come up with the same approaches. There may be an easier alternative (easier, I think, but at least an alternative). Currently, I am working on a project at work and I'm about to order a bunch of mounting pads for nylon cable ties made by a company called Panduit. They make one model designed to be attached by epoxy and even will supply the epoxy. I got some samples in for evaluation and was impressed at how well the epoxy held (they claim 50 pounds and I can believe it). I think that getting the epoxy to stick to the inside of a fiberglass hull would be no problem however I wouldn't expect it to bond well to polyethylene. The really surprising part is that the epoxy bonds so well to the mounting pad. I can envision using the pad in different ways. Once the pad is in place, you could hook bungees with hook ends to the pads, or if this is too difficult, you could install the cable ties, leave a loop and hook the bungees to the loop. You can see the pads, etc at page 83 of the on-line catalog at: http://www.panduit.com/catalogs/en/sa101n275c-wc/index.stm Naturally, I'm ordering a few "extras" at work to try on my boat but won't get to try them until the temperature rises a bunch. Panduit doesn't sell direct but I'm sure you can get these from a local electrical supply house. I have no affiliation with Panduit. Good luck, Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I installed a couple of strips of webbing with velcro to the rear bulkhead behind the seat which holds a rolled up paddle float. I uses ss washers, bolts and nuts. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> or go over big waves and I was wondering if anyone has found a way to place > some clips or something on the interior of their hull to restrain stuff. I > was considering getting some stainless steel D rings and running some > fiberglass tape and epoxy through the I part. Anyone got any suggestions or > recommendations? If i have to pry one more bottle of sun tan lotion out of > the very tip of the stern I'll go nuts. Has anyone tried embedding/laminating small waterproof tanks inside the hull, under the deck, just front of the cockpit? I saw a one here, made of fiberglass with a tight waterproof hatch, diameter of 4 inches and lenght of maybe 15 inches. One could easily keep money, GSM etc. there. Sincerelly, I was not impressed aesthetically. But it seems to be suitable for my weekend bottle of Isla Negra red ;-) Ari - Finland (0 degrees Centigrades here - just waiting the ice to break an dit is January. Maybe miracles do really happen...) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>> I installed a couple of strips of webbing with velcro to the rear bulkhead behind the seat which holds a rolled up paddle float. I uses ss washers, bolts and nuts. cya >> ************************************************************************** * I also carry my paddle float on the bulkhead behind the seat, but I made my fittings on my workbench and then epoxied them to the bulkhead. The fittings are made by draping fiberglass cloth over a piece of narrow tubing from a tent pole and wetting it with epoxy resin. A sheet of plastic is laid over everything and pieces of 2-by-4 are placed on either side of the tubing to flatten the fiberglass cloth and give it a smooth finish. When the resin has cured, I cut the assembly into 3/4-inch segments, trim the excess resin, and file any rough spots. After epoxying four of these fittings to the bulkhead, I thread narrow- diameter bungie cords through pairs of the fittings and knot the ends to hold them in place. The paddle float is held against the bulkhead by the bungies, where it is out of the way but accessible. A major virtue of these fittings is that they have low profiles. I also use them to tether my hatch covers inside the compartments, for which I use a length of nylon cord knotted at the end and a plastic D-ring fastened to the underside of the rubber hatch cover. The D-ring is held in place by a piece of sheet rubber, which I glued to the hatch cover using Aqua-Seal. I have also made fittings for nylon straps from brass rods, but I think I will go into that another day. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/21/99 4:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, asaarto_at_lpt.fi writes: << Has anyone tried embedding/laminating small waterproof tanks inside the hull, under the deck, just front of the cockpit? I saw a one here, made of fiberglass with a tight waterproof hatch, diameter of 4 inches and lenght of maybe 15 inches. One could easily keep money, GSM etc. there. >> Sounds a lot like the standard knee tube that a lot of Brit boats have 'glassed in, Ari, but I've never heard of a water-tight one! Most are open at the aft end --- where the paddler sits --- for easy access to whatever is needed. Possibly including GSM, whatever that is. Sounds like an interesting variation. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
We will be in Hawaii for a wedding in early May and were thinking of paddling the Na Pali coast since we'll be there. We will probably take our K-Lights. Anybody been there that time of year? What are the weather and sea conditions like? thanks in advance, Keith Kaste *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
All these under deck tie down ideas sound great, but I'm concerned about the possibility of foot entrapment. Also, ease of re-entry at sea. Some folks around here use deck bags that go on top of the deck, not below. I keep necessities behind my seat in a small dry bag tethered on a short cord with a brass release. Barbara San Francisco Bay Area At 10:51 AM 1/21/99 -0500, Michael Daly wrote: >WildConect_at_aol.com wrote: > >> I have had success with the plastic D-rings with plate and using Marine Goop >> to "glue" them in place under the deck in my cockpit of my Romany 16. > >I've done similar. I sewed the D-rings to a square of Cordura with webbing >(actually, two layers of Cordura). I sew it so the rough surface of the Cordura >is on the opposite side from the D in order to give the glue lots of fuzzy bits >to stick to. I used 3M 5200 as adhesive. No problems so far. > >Mike > > > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Barbara Kossy wrote: > All these under deck tie down ideas sound great, but I'm concerned about the > possibility of foot entrapment. Also, ease of re-entry at sea. Some folks > around here use deck bags that go on top of the deck, not below. I keep > necessities behind my seat in a small dry bag tethered on a short cord with > a brass release. > Barbara > San Francisco Bay Area I think the key is to rig the bungies/webbing/whatever in such a way that you can remove them easily if not in use. That way they're not in the way to inhibit entry or exit. For example, D-rings on their own aren't a big entrapment problem. If you use hooks on bungies, they are easy to unhook and remove when not in use. For various purposes, I use bungies that I make from 1/4 in. bungie cord I buy by the metre. I also get little plastic hooks at the same place (Mountain Equipment Coop) that clip onto the cut end of the bungie. I get exactly the length I want with a secure, inline hook that is made to attach to stuff like D-rings. This would be hard to thread through the tubes that one contributor to this thread mentioned unless the tubes were over 1/2 in diameter. For webbing, I usually use a tri-glide to attach the webbing to a D-ring. I thread the webbing through the tri-glide, make a loop through the D then rethread the webbing back through the tri-glide. This makes a secure, slightly adjustable attachment. For quick attachment of the webbing to the article I'm carrying, and for greater adjustability, I usually use a Fastex buckle in the middle of the webbing. This arrangement is easily removed when not in use. I fully agree that leaving lines of various types hanging loose in the cockpit is asking for trouble. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I agree with Barbara. Once you've tried a few re-entries you'll rip those underdeck bungies right out! cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I was looking in some German catalogs last night and saw a boat with a knee tube which had a small VCP hatch cover on it. Neat idea! There are a bunch of very interesting ideas on German boats including: 1. Rudders that retract into the stern of the boat from underneath, like a skeg 2. Integral rudder pedals that mount on a central keel track with a centrally mounted foot pump. 3. Zip up hatches 4. Hatched sealed with an inflatable gasket. A small pump comes with the boat. 5. Nets instead of bungee in the deck area 6. Low prices (really good feature) on Glass, Kevlar, Carbon /Kevlar cya > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of > JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:54 PM > To: asaarto_at_lpt.fi; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] inner hull tie devices > > > In a message dated 1/21/99 4:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > asaarto_at_lpt.fi > writes: > > << > Has anyone tried embedding/laminating small waterproof tanks > inside the hull, > under the deck, just front of the cockpit? I saw a one here, made of > fiberglass > with a tight waterproof hatch, diameter of 4 inches and > lenght of maybe 15 > inches. One could easily keep money, GSM etc. there. >> > > Sounds a lot like the standard knee tube that a lot of Brit boats have > 'glassed in, Ari, but I've never heard of a water-tight one! > Most are open at > the aft end --- where the paddler sits --- for easy access to > whatever is > needed. Possibly including GSM, whatever that is. Sounds > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>I fully agree that leaving lines of various types hanging loose in the >cockpit >is asking for trouble. I'm sure this is true, but I am recalling one occasion when I found it difficult to get out of my cockpit (on landing) because some loose gear had shifted down around my feet while paddling. Had I been upside down at the time, that might have been a panic moment! Having loose stuff in the cockpit may be as hazardous as having lines to hold things in place. Ira Adams *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/22/99 1:51:29 PM EST, mikedaly_at_interlog.com writes: << I usually use a Fastex buckle in the middle of the webbing. This arrangement is easily removed when not in use. >> Not if you are swimming in northwest waters with bare hands and tying to get back in to your kayak. Cold hands make squessing a Fasttex, to open it, an ordeal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Tomckayak_at_aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/99 1:51:29 PM EST, mikedaly_at_interlog.com writes: > > << I usually use a Fastex buckle in the middle of the > webbing. This arrangement is easily removed when not in use. > >> > Not if you are swimming in northwest waters with bare hands and tying to get > back in to your kayak. Cold hands make squessing a Fasttex, to open it, an > ordeal. Under those conditions, I'd be unlikely to undo the webbing - it's holding my first aid kit and doesn't contribute to re-entry. Even if my hands are cold, the Fastex can be released by sliding the thing along the webbing; it's not sewn in completely and I use the ladderlock portion to tighten the webbing. To everything there is a backup (one of my principles of design). In general, I've heard what you say is true - Fastex buckles are difficult to squeeze with cold hands. I've seen on Nimbus Seafarerer kayaks that a loop of webbing with a knob on the end is wrapped around the release part of a Fastex buckle. These are the ones on their straps used to hold the paddle in place behind the cockpit for paddle float re-entries. You pull on the knob, the webbing tightens and the Fastex releases. I've been wondering how effective these are - anyone used them under extreme conditions? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I may telling people what you know, tell me if I am. To secure things on my deck I managed to obtain some second hand fishing net. This is threaded onto the shockcord on my deck, front and rear. I use fairly heavy shock cord. I haven't lost anything for ages. The problem here is sourcing good strong fishing net, preferably of professional fishing quality. Mine is some years old now and showing no signs of deterioration. This could also be used underdeck, installed nice and tight to stay out of the way. On my rear deck I am able to tighten up the shock cord for surf or heavy conditions by using olive cleats which join the shock cord (together with duct tape, wire and velcro one of the world's great inventions) from marine dealers. These cleats are easy to use, extremely (very, very) secure and have a million uses. of course minimising on deck stuff, as this dicussion is about, is a good strategy, essential for really big surf. The selling of sea kayaks with only bungie on deck is criminal. Essentially it is selling boats that are unseaworthy. Nick Note new email address Nicholas Gill School of Geography and Oceanography University of NSW Australian Defence Force Academy Canberra ACT 2600 Ph. 02 6268 8317 Mob. 041 7659440 Fax 02 6268 8313 Email: nicholas.gill_at_adfa.edu.au ---------- > From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com> > To: JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com; asaarto_at_lpt.fi; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] inner hull tie devices > Date: Saturday, 23 January 1999 4:23 > > I was looking in some German catalogs last night and saw a boat with a knee > tube which had a small VCP hatch cover on it. Neat idea! > > There are a bunch of very interesting ideas on German boats including: > > 1. Rudders that retract into the stern of the boat from underneath, like a > skeg > 2. Integral rudder pedals that mount on a central keel track with a > centrally mounted foot pump. > 3. Zip up hatches > 4. Hatched sealed with an inflatable gasket. A small pump comes with the > boat. > 5. Nets instead of bungee in the deck area > 6. Low prices (really good feature) on Glass, Kevlar, Carbon /Kevlar > > cya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of > > JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:54 PM > > To: asaarto_at_lpt.fi; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] inner hull tie devices > > > > > > In a message dated 1/21/99 4:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > asaarto_at_lpt.fi > > writes: > > > > << > > Has anyone tried embedding/laminating small waterproof tanks > > inside the hull, > > under the deck, just front of the cockpit? I saw a one here, made of > > fiberglass > > with a tight waterproof hatch, diameter of 4 inches and > > lenght of maybe 15 > > inches. One could easily keep money, GSM etc. there. >> > > > > Sounds a lot like the standard knee tube that a lot of Brit boats have > > 'glassed in, Ari, but I've never heard of a water-tight one! > > Most are open at > > the aft end --- where the paddler sits --- for easy access to > > whatever is > > needed. Possibly including GSM, whatever that is. Sounds > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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