Has anybody ever heard of a kayak being opened by a bear looking for treats? The only banditry I have ever experienced has been rodential or winged, so I sometimes secure food below deck when good hanging trees are not available. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Has anybody ever heard of a kayak being opened by a bear > looking for treats? Nah, but I have heard they like to try out the different models while kayaker's are asleep: http://www.sharpphoto.com/bk101.html I did see a warning about storing food in a kayak at: http://www.he.net/~kayakak/info.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:42 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Robert Woodard wrote: >> Has anybody ever heard of a kayak being opened by a bear >> looking for treats? > >Nah, but I have heard they like to try out the different models while >kayaker's are asleep: I wonder if bears prefer feathered or unfeathered paddles. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"E. Sullivan" wrote: > Has anybody ever heard of a kayak being opened by a bear > looking for treats? The only banditry I have ever > experienced has been rodential or winged, so I sometimes > secure food below deck when good hanging trees are not > available. Not a good idea!. A bear would leave you with a pile of kayak parts. I always hang food in bear country (which is most of the places I go). Since the kayak may have food smells in it, I secure the hatches covers only enough to keep them from being blown away by the wind. If something wants in, I'd only (I hope) lose a strap. A rock on the cover may suffice as well. Learn how to use two trees to rig bear proof food storage. Tie a line at appropriate height between two trees and hang the food from the centre of the line. A good book on bear behavior and problem avoidance is Stephen Herrero's "Bear Attacks, There causes and avoidance" Mike PS - a Z-rig, made with a couple of carabiners, can make hauling food packs up into trees a lot easier. Downside is you need longer rope. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > > Learn how to use two trees to rig bear proof food storage. > Tie a line at appropriate height between two trees and > hang the food from the centre of the line. > > A good book on bear behavior and problem avoidance is > Stephen Herrero's "Bear Attacks, There causes and avoidance" [snip] > PS - a Z-rig, made with a couple of carabiners, can make hauling food > packs up into trees a lot easier. Downside is you need longer rope. Chuck Holst has a very tidy system for dealing with this problem, detailed below (excerpt of a Feb 1999 post Chuck made on Paddlewise): > I once debated Cliff Jacobson in the pages of HUT! (Minnesota Canoe > Association) on the merits of hanging food versus bagging it in > plastic and hiding it on the ground. He was too stubborn to admit > that there was ANY merit to hanging food. <g> Nonetheless, the > following system that I devised for hanging food in the Boundary > Waters has worked for me: > > For black bears, you should hang food at least ten feet off the > ground, five feet below the limb it is suspended from, and six > feet from the nearest tree trunk. > > Purchase two lightweight, *non-stretch* ropes (such as Dacron sailing > line). One should be about 80 feet; the other can be only 50 feet. > While you are at the sailing shop, also purchase two lightweight but > strong blocks, or pullies. The cheapest ones, designed for small > sailboats, should be more than strong enough. One should have a becket, > or loop for tying line to, in addition to the usual shackle. Reeve > (thread) the 50-foot line through the blocks. Start by tying one end of > the line to the becket on the top block, run it through the bottom > block, then back up through the top block and down again. It will also > help to attach a caribiner or other clip to the shackle on the bottom > block. > > Carry this block and tackle arrangement separately from the 80-foot > line. In camp, find a couple of trees about 15 to 20 feet apart with > limbs or even stubs of limbs at least 15 feet off the ground that > have enough clearance to throw a line over. (It is easier in the > Boundary Waters to find two trees with these characteristics than one > perfect tree for hanging food.) Tie a rock to one end of the 80-foot > line, throw it over a branch on the first tree, and tie it off. Be > careful of misplaced rocks bouncing back at you from the tree trunk. > > Thread the other end of the first line through the shackle on the top > block of the second line, then tie a rock to the free end of the first > line and throw it over a limb on the second tree. Pull the first line > as tight as you can, raising the block and tackle high into the air. > (Make sure the bottom block dangles within reach, however.) Tie off the > first line. > > You now have a line tightly stretched between two trees 15 or 20 feet > in the air with block and tackle hanging from it. Whip the second line > back and forth to move the top block to the center of the first line. > Put your weight on it to test it. The first line will sag somewhat, > but hopefully not so much as to bring the pack within reach of a bear. > To use it, simply clip your food pack or packs to the bottom block, > haul them up, and tie off the line. > > If you do find a tree with one perfect limb for hanging food, you can > tie the first line to the shackle of the top block, throw the other > end over the limb, and then use it to raise the block and tackle close > to the limb. > > This two-rope system has two advantages: (1) You can hang your food > from a more diverse arrangement of trees, and (2) you are less likely > to hang the food where the bear is used to finding it. > > Chuck Holst -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
....it's a matter of taste. John Fereira wrote: > At 08:42 PM 8/16/99 -0400, Robert Woodard wrote: > >> Has anybody ever heard of a kayak being opened by a bear > >> looking for treats? > > > >Nah, but I have heard they like to try out the different models while > >kayaker's are asleep: > > I wonder if bears prefer feathered or unfeathered paddles. > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Aug 17, 20:58, Elaine Harmon wrote: } Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Bears > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Brad Laesch wrote: > > > I've heard reports of individuals mis-understanding the meaning of the term > > "bear repellant" and before venturing off into the woods, they applied the > > repellant liberally to their body--- until they noticed they could no longer > > breathe. > > So there is supposed to be one - or did they think pepper spray was a > repellent? > > The best thing I could think of as a repellent was whatever gives decaying > flesh its nauseating aroma. I suspect that is repellent to any creature > but a scavenger, since it would be unhealthy for anyone else, and there > should be a selective advantage in being repelled by it. Has anyone heard > of attempts to use this? e Most predators, including bears, will quite happily scavenge if they can. It's easier than chasing down prey. Sounds like another bear attractor to me.... -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob_at_InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 949-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 949-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ InteleNet Communications is a subsidiary of FirstWorld Communications, Inc. http://www.firstworld.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
because of copy right stuff here is the URL http://www.theregister.co.uk/990816-000016.html Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have been on Grand Island several times. A couple times we camped on the island. We have never seen bears on the island. BTW I took the Grand Island trip at the symposium a couple years ago (to Trout Bay). It is a very nice trip. The last time we were there we actually saw bear tracks on the north part of the island (not too far from our campsite). volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > There are bears on Grand Island?! Why didn't anyone tell me that BEFORE > I went on the trip at the Symposium!!! (Luckily, the trip was delayed, > and therefore cut short because of the morning thunderstorm, so we never > did actually land on Grand Island, so it was all good....) > [SNIP] -- henry o_, _at_ ------------ [\/ o,/ Henry Davies (`-----/----') <-----</-----> OASIS, Inc. ~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~ phone: 248.952.1490 x210 fax: 248.952.1493 email: henry_at_orion-sim.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:44, Joyce, Thomas F. wrote: > I know this has been recommended before, but for any newcomers interested in bear behavior, Stephen Herrero's "Bear Attacks" is a fascinating book, chock full of information. There is a new edition. This book will give you a solid basis for sifting through all the anecdotes and misinformation you will encounter both on the net and around the campfire. > > Tom Joyce > >LOL listen to a author selling books will get one killed or mauled.. Chechakos will never learn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've never been particularly worried about that. In my younger days, I seldom was in an area with bears, or they were so shy we never saw or heard from them. When I finally got around them I was too old for it to matter. But one piece of advice was to get chlorophyll pills - in the personal hygiene section of drug stores - and take them. I used to give them to my bitches when they were in heat and the dogs in the next year didn't even notice them. So it seems to really work to prevent body orders. Marilyn > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:54:23 EDT > From: Kevin50110_at_aol.com > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Bears > > Well, I have about a 50/50 rejection rate on this forum but I'll attempt this > one for my wife. Bacon, perfume, food in general all are no no's. So what > about women at their time of the month? Bear attractant, so some articles say; so > will the ladies and other experts care to weight in? > > Kevin > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > > I agree with your post. Many of us rely too much upon armchair > > > writers who express theory as compared to reality. The behaviour and > > > practices of the locals are always the best illustration and guide for > > > any specific region. > > > > Kindly back up you suggestion that Herrero is just an armchair > > writer. > > > > Local traditions based on superstition and other beliefs hardly > > constitutes knowledge. > > > > Mike Wasn't specifically targeting an author, rather speaking in general with regard to published material upon this topic. Species specific ethology can vary from one geographical region to another. This is only one area where local input and guidance can be invaluable. I am usually capable of discerning superstitition-based tradition from real world advice and comment. My statement, 'always the best', was a bit inclusive and would be better expressed as 'worthy of serious consideration'. Holmes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 27 Jun 2003 at 9:09, Holmes wrote: > Wasn't specifically targeting an author, rather speaking in general > with regard to published material upon this topic. Herrero was the only author specified by name. No other references have been given. Please keep the strawmen out of the discussion, as they don't contribute any value. > Species specific ethology can vary from one geographical region to > another. This is only one area where local input and guidance can be > invaluable. We're discussing bears and kayaking. Please provide a reference where bear behavior that is significant to our discusson has shown regional behavioral differences. In all what I've learned about bears, regional differences are insignificant. The only differences that are significant are whether the bear population is truly wild or whether they are habituated to humans in their territory. This, however, isn't a regional difference but a difference in contact. Bears that wander into Jasper tend to do the same things as bears that wander into Temagami, even though they're thousands of kilometers apart. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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