You may find this interesting if you're considering paddling the 'Glades. http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/current/feature.html Bob Denton Aqua-Gulf Transport bdenton_at_aquagulf.com www.aquagulf.com <http://www.aquagulf.com> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a situation where they could not get turned around toward shore? Bob Denton wrote: > > You may find this interesting if you're considering paddling the 'Glades. > http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/current/feature.html -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I certainly would never try an open water crossing in a canoe without having floatation bags securely strapped in (If I were to chose a canoe at all). You could go on and on about the mistakes made in this story. Lucky Fool for sure. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Kruger [mailto:dkruger_at_pacifier.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:34 AM To: PaddleWise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Everglades Paddling Horror Story Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a situation where they could not get turned around toward shore? Bob Denton wrote: > > You may find this interesting if you're considering paddling the 'Glades. > http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/current/feature.html -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Just goes to prove that sometimes Darwin was wrong. Was there anything that that pair did that made any sense at all? Joe Brzoza wrote: > I certainly would never try an open water crossing in a canoe without having > floatation bags securely strapped in (If I were to chose a canoe at all). > You could go on and on about the mistakes made in this story. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Personally, I liked the part where they threw the motor, battery and garbage overboard. Yeah, they were out to experience nature at its fullest. (The garbage bag, if relatively intact, would have made a decent float bag. So of course they tossed it out.) The other spot that was good was where they spoke of a previous trip where they couldn't paddle to shore ... so he jumped in the water and swam the boat to shore. At that point I wondered if they just made they whole damn thing up. What do you think? Can humans really be this stupid and survive? The boat crewman's wisecrack at the end ("Course if you drowned you wouldn't have to put up with all that Y2K shit") was worth the reading of the article, though. jerry. At 09:44 PM 12/08/1999 -0800, Donald Schoengold wrote: >Just goes to prove that sometimes Darwin was wrong. Was there anything that >that pair did that made any sense at all? > >Joe Brzoza wrote: > >> I certainly would never try an open water crossing in a canoe without having >> floatation bags securely strapped in (If I were to chose a canoe at all). >> You could go on and on about the mistakes made in this story. >> > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a situation where they could not get turned around toward shore? >> And why didn't they even have a good bailer? I always carry a bleach jug bailer in my canoe, even though I have rarely needed it. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Your ice chest, if you carry one, is about the best bailer you can get. A little 4 quart cooler empties your body weight in ~25 dips. I've never done this in my own boat but could tell you a story about being in my dad's motorboat when my stepbrother had the drain plugs in his pocket ... Nobody drowned, no major damage done, and a little laugh 30 years later. jerry. At 09:28 AM 12/08/1999 -0600, Chuck Holst wrote: >>> >Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a >situation >where they could not get turned around toward shore? >>> > >And why didn't they even have a good bailer? I always carry a bleach jug >bailer in my canoe, even though I have rarely needed it. > >Chuck Holst >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave, I've been in that situation a couple of times. With strong wind and high waves an open canoe must be paddled in line with the wind and waves. Trying to turn will either get you broached and swamped or have a wave fill the boat either way you swamp. I have also been in an open canoe with an electric trolling motor when the motor was less efficient at moving the canoe than a paddle. Both times were on MN lakes where I did not feel that my life was in danger, but the paddling was very interesting for a while. While I have not doubt that an open canoe that could handle the conditions described in the article could be designed or equipted with flotation and a spray cover to reduce the risk of swamping, I have never been in one. Personally and for the future I expect I will stay with a kayak if I'm tempted to paddle where conditions such as described are possible. Dana > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:00 PM > To: paddlewise-digest_at_lists.intelenet.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:34:10 -0800 From: Dave Kruger <dkruger_at_pacifier.com> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Everglades Paddling Horror Story Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a situation where they could not get turned around toward shore? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In addition to secured flotation, is there some sort of spraydeck for canoes that might provide a greater margin of safety for open-water paddling? Or is a canoe covered by a spraydeck called a kayak? <g> Craig Hicks Arlington, Virginia *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Canoe covers are standard for open water and wild water trippers. Cheers, Richard Culpeper CraigHicks_at_aol.com wrote: > In addition to secured flotation, is there some sort of spraydeck for canoes > that might provide a greater margin of safety for open-water paddling? Or is > a canoe covered by a spraydeck called a kayak? <g> > > Craig Hicks > Arlington, Virginia > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Wrote; >In addition to secured flotation, is there some sort of spraydeck for canoes >that might provide a greater margin of safety for open-water paddling? Or is >a canoe covered by a spraydeck called a kayak? <g> Back in 1990 I had a spraydeck made for my Mad River Tempest Canoe at a furniture upholstery shop. I can not remember what the material is but it's like the vinyl type banners. Two separate pieces one for the bow and one for the stern. The stern cover was about 3 inches from my back when in the sitting position and of course went all the way to the stern. The bow cover went from bow to about mid way of my shins. I guess I had about four feet of the 17 foot canoe not covered by this custom spray deck. The spray deck is attached with stainless steel button snaps spaced about 3 inches apart. I had the tailor leave about 1 inch of the material hang below the snaps which I applied 3/4 inch wide Velcro around the entire perimeter of the spray deck on both bow and stern sections. I paddled in extreme chop and waves many many times the spray deck never did detach. I guess I should mention that I also carved large foam blocks to fill the same area that the spray deck covered. Also had a Rule 500 electric bilge pump the real life saver) rigged in the vessel. I won't go into how many times I capsized in bad seas but I was always able to either reenter or float with the vessel back to shore. Arthur Hebert *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
There were comments earlier regarding the comfort of polartec wetsuits. Checked with the local upscale kayak store and they don't have them. Neopreme is torture out of the water in my latitude. Can anyone provide more info, epecially relevant URLs, on non-neopreme wetsuits? Local water is 57f lately. Thanks Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
See the RapidStyle site for "fuzzy rubber"-style Thermalstretch paddling garments: http://users.erols.com/rapids/. RapidStyle is owned by Olympic whitewater slalom silver medalist Dana Chladek, and her designs are among the most comfortable and practical. Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- There were comments earlier regarding the comfort of polartec wetsuits. Checked with the local upscale kayak store and they don't have them. Neopreme is torture out of the water in my latitude. Can anyone provide more info, epecially relevant URLs, on non-neopreme wetsuits? Local water is 57f lately. Thanks Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Check with a dive shop or call Performance Diver (800 information) for a catalog. -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of BaysideBob Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:59 PM To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] polartec wetsuit There were comments earlier regarding the comfort of polartec wetsuits. Checked with the local upscale kayak store and they don't have them. Neopreme is torture out of the water in my latitude. Can anyone provide more info, epecially relevant URLs, on non-neopreme wetsuits? Local water is 57f lately. Thanks Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message Craig Hicks writes: >In addition to secured flotation, is there some sort of spraydeck for canoes >that might provide a greater margin of safety for open-water paddling? Here is the ever popular Cooke's custom sewing page. They have pictures of canoe spraydecks for anyone interested. Bruce WEO www.wholeearthoutfitters.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Cooke Custom Sewing makes them: http://www.cookecustomsewing.com/. Chuck Holst -----Original Message----- From: CraigHicks_at_aol.com [mailto:CraigHicks_at_aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:04 PM To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Everglades Paddling Horror Story In addition to secured flotation, is there some sort of spraydeck for canoes that might provide a greater margin of safety for open-water paddling? Or is a canoe covered by a spraydeck called a kayak? <g> Craig Hicks Arlington, Virginia *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The area is usually pretty placid but there is quite a fierce tidal current that can rip up to 3-4 knots or so. I assume the combination of offshore winds and waves made it impossible to turn the boat. I'm not a canoeist so I can't comment. I have camped out on the Key they were trying to get to. cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Dave Kruger Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:34 AM To: PaddleWise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Everglades Paddling Horror Story Hell of a story. What is the layout there? How could they get into a situation where they could not get turned around toward shore? Bob Denton wrote: > > You may find this interesting if you're considering paddling the 'Glades. > http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/current/feature.html -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Actually, I think that the best line was the one at the end of the story ":I won't make the same mistakes again. There will be new ones." Seems like there are not too many mistakes left for them to make. However, I am confident that with their brains and boating skills, they will manage to find new ones to make. Jerry Hawkins wrote: > Personally, I liked the part where they threw the motor, battery and garbage overboard. Yeah, they were out to experience nature at its fullest. (The garbage bag, if relatively intact, would have made a decent float bag. So of course they tossed it out.) The other spot that was good was where they spoke of a previous trip where they couldn't paddle to shore ... so he jumped in the water and swam the boat to shore. At that point I wondered if they just made they whole damn thing up. What do you think? Can humans really be this stupid and survive? > > The boat crewman's wisecrack at the end ("Course if you drowned you wouldn't have to put up with all that Y2K shit") was worth the reading of the article, though. > > jerry. > > At 09:44 PM 12/08/1999 -0800, Donald Schoengold wrote: > >Just goes to prove that sometimes Darwin was wrong. Was there anything that > >that pair did that made any sense at all? > > > >Joe Brzoza wrote: > > > >> I certainly would never try an open water crossing in a canoe without having > >> floatation bags securely strapped in (If I were to chose a canoe at all). > >> You could go on and on about the mistakes made in this story. > >> > > > > > > > >*************************************************************************** > >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > >*************************************************************************** > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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