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From: <AndyTKnapp_at_cs.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:12:53 EST
>How about a horizontal paddle with an owl perched on it?  

This might be too similar to the logo of Grey Owl Paddles, of Cambridge, 
Ontario.

-Andy Knapp
Minneapolis
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From: Allison Corning <acorning_at_hotmail.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:30:34 PST
Ralph- I really like your button idea!! Especially since some of us wouldn't 
be caught dead wearing a baseball cap regardless of how cool the logo, and a 
t-shirt can't be seen beneath a PFD. I like the paddling owl too- very cool!
Allison

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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:16:15 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 11:37:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
acorning_at_hotmail.com writes:

<< Ralph- I really like your button idea!! Especially since some of us 
wouldn't 
 be caught dead wearing a baseball cap regardless of how cool the logo, and a 
 t-shirt can't be seen beneath a PFD. I like the paddling owl too- very cool!
 Allison >>

EXCUUUSE ME, Ralph already said he thought it was my idea- and it was.  I'll 
have to patent it! :) :)

Sandy Kramer
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From: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <"Reeves,>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:19:12 -0500
> ----------
> From: 	ralph diaz[SMTP:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com]
> 
> Distribution could be by mail or by having a supply at paddle shows and
> symposiums.  For example, I bet at least 50 people from this list are
> likely to walk the aisles of the Jersey Paddler Paddlesport show in late
> March.  Distribute some there.  Maybe Debbie of Atlantic Sea Kayakers
> might be willing to have some at her booth.
> 
Absolutely!  I volunteer to proudly hock our wares.  

> Anyone, someone please work up a design or several people do several
> designs.  Submit them to Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myer for her thoughts
> as PaddleWise is her creation.  Then arrange production of the buttons
> and we each can order them via a website or email or distribute at
> places like Paddlesport, although that may be too soon for that show.
> 
We have nearly 2 months before Paddlesport.  I may even have a "promotional
items" catalog at home that would give us a cost estimate.  I'll check
tonight.  

Debs


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From: Ricci, Gail <gricci_at_ida.org>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:23:18 -0500
Like that idea.  Feathered or unfeathered?  Also like the idea of a patch
vs. a button.  It won't rust.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pewitt [mailto:gpewitt_at_mail.execpc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:02 PM
To: Dave Kruger; PaddleWise
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise


How about a horizontal paddle with an owl perched on it?  


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From: David Seng <David_at_wainet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:49:32 -0900
> From: ralph diaz [mailto:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com]
> 
> No secret handshake but an oracle's question.  How many 
> coasts does the
> United States have?  Most people might say two (Atlantic and 
> Pacific). 
> Some might add a third, the Gulf of Mexico, or a fourth, the Great
> Lakes. But PaddleWisers, being the argumentative selves they 
> are, would
> say seven coastlines and successfully argue that point, thus proving
> they _are_ PaddleWisers.  :-)
> 
The last three are in Alaska - the Gulf of Alaska, the Bering Sea and the
Arctic Ocean. :-)  It's a BIG place!

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:56:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>

<snip>

> Anyone, someone please work up a design or several people do several
> designs.  Submit them to Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myer for her thoughts
> as PaddleWise is her creation. 

Thought I'd clue my friends here on PaddleWise that the reason Ralph
says "Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myers" is that Ralph knows Bob and
I were married this past Christmas eve. :-) 

I like the ideas I have seen presented here and would like to try to
work with them to come up with something you folks can/would use.  I
think I might also like to add a pfd to the owl.  A big thanks to Karen 
for her generous offer which I intend to follow-up on.  Also, be sure to
send Wes your responses to his query about where to meet, etc.  I've
included the section of his message below with his questions and his
email address.

Finally, how about a name for our owl?  Nongendered preferred :-)

If you have any ideas, send them to me via private email (not the list)
and I'll post them on the PaddleWise website in a few days for your 
review and for you to vote on.  

Also, I've been receiving message about dates and other info for various
events.  Thanks to those who have contributed and I'll be working on 
that calendar.

Cheers, Jackie

Wes' message to PaddleWise requesting input from those interested....

> From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise Convention

<snip>

> If you would be interested in attending a late-spring paddlewise
> get-together within a long-weekend travel distance of where you live,
> e-mail me personally, back channel to avoid cluttering the list. 
> 
> I want to know:
> 
> 1. Name.
> 
> 2. Where you live (in general -- southern Michigan, north Florida, NYC,
> etc. is close enough).
> 
> 3. How far a reasonable long-weekend trip would be for you.
> 
> To keep from dragging this out too long, e-mail me not later than Friday
> evening, Feb. 11. I'll plot out the responses and see if I can find centers
> of interest, and should be able to report over the weekend, assuming
> nothing comes up, like open water.
> 
> -- Wes
> 
> (Who's looking forward to meeting some of you.)

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From: Gary Pewitt <gpewitt_at_mail.execpc.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:03:21 -0800
How about "Radar" for a name?




At 12:56 PM 2/9/00 -0800, Jackie Fenton wrote:
>> From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
>
><snip>
>
>> Anyone, someone please work up a design or several people do several
>> designs.  Submit them to Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myer for her thoughts
>> as PaddleWise is her creation. 
>
>Thought I'd clue my friends here on PaddleWise that the reason Ralph
>says "Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myers" is that Ralph knows Bob and
>I were married this past Christmas eve. :-) 
>
>I like the ideas I have seen presented here and would like to try to
>work with them to come up with something you folks can/would use.  I
>think I might also like to add a pfd to the owl.  A big thanks to Karen 
>for her generous offer which I intend to follow-up on.  Also, be sure to
>send Wes your responses to his query about where to meet, etc.  I've
>included the section of his message below with his questions and his
>email address.
>
>Finally, how about a name for our owl?  Nongendered preferred :-)
>
>If you have any ideas, send them to me via private email (not the list)
>and I'll post them on the PaddleWise website in a few days for your 
>review and for you to vote on.  
>
>Also, I've been receiving message about dates and other info for various
>events.  Thanks to those who have contributed and I'll be working on 
>that calendar.
>
>Cheers, Jackie
>
>Wes' message to PaddleWise requesting input from those interested....
>
>> From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise Convention
>
><snip>
>
>> If you would be interested in attending a late-spring paddlewise
>> get-together within a long-weekend travel distance of where you live,
>> e-mail me personally, back channel to avoid cluttering the list. 
>> 
>> I want to know:
>> 
>> 1. Name.
>> 
>> 2. Where you live (in general -- southern Michigan, north Florida, NYC,
>> etc. is close enough).
>> 
>> 3. How far a reasonable long-weekend trip would be for you.
>> 
>> To keep from dragging this out too long, e-mail me not later than Friday
>> evening, Feb. 11. I'll plot out the responses and see if I can find centers
>> of interest, and should be able to report over the weekend, assuming
>> nothing comes up, like open water.
>> 
>> -- Wes
>> 
>> (Who's looking forward to meeting some of you.)
>
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From: Karen Hancock <magpi_at_transport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:06:42 -0800
OK, I'll start the ball rolling with a patch logo submission. Feel free to
tear it apart.  :-)  See it here....
http://www.transport.com/~magpi/logos.html

Congratulations Jackie!

Karen



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From: Timothy Nickerson <Timothy.J.Nickerson_at_usa.alcatel.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:47:15 -0600
Love it!!

Is that a Folding Kayak?

Tim

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
>>[mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of 
>>Karen Hancock
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:07 PM
>>To: Jackie Fenton; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
>>Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo 
>>
>>
>>OK, I'll start the ball rolling with a patch logo submission. 
>>Feel free to
>>tear it apart.  :-)  See it here....
>>http://www.transport.com/~magpi/logos.html
>>
>>Congratulations Jackie!
>>
>>Karen
>>
>>
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Jackie's wedding
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:04:56 -0800
Jackie Fenton wrote:
> 
> > From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Anyone, someone please work up a design or several people do several
> > designs.  Submit them to Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myers for her thoughts
> > as PaddleWise is her creation.
> 
> Thought I'd clue my friends here on PaddleWise that the reason Ralph
> says "Jackie Fenton and her Bob Myers" is that Ralph knows Bob and
> I were married this past Christmas eve. :-)

What Jackie didn't report was that they picked _that date_ because it
was the first anniversary of the day they went to Las Vegas to rescue a
Westie (the same breed as their Mollie) who was in distress in a pet
shop there.  The rescued Westie was named Hallie.

Also, I understand that the bride was to be given away by one of the
Westies but the two fought over who would do the honors so a human was
picked instead.  I don't know if the Westies were invited along for the
honeymoon.

ralph diaz 
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:56:37 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 12:27:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gpewitt_at_mail.execpc.com writes:

<< How about a horizontal paddle with an owl perched on it?   >>

I can SEE it already.  Sounds coooool.

Sandy Kramer
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:00:56 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 1:04:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gpewitt_at_mail.execpc.com writes:

<< Owl feathered, paddle unfeathered. >>
TOOO FUNNY.   I agree. Anyway, a feathered paddle will look wonky!

Sandy Kramer
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From: Karen Hancock <magpi_at_transport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:19:08 -0800
Oops... just saw the comment about a PFD, so I added another submission to
the webpage. Scroll down.  http://www.transport.com/~magpi/logos.html

Karen

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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:06:00 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 1:52:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mnoyes_at_gsinet.net writes:

<< Patch or pin, I guess I now know what is going on the left shoulder
 strap of my PFD.  If it is a patch I still have a few feet of 2 inch
 wide seat belt webbing so I don't have to sew directly onto the PFD.
 I'll have to order several so I can have one on my jacket, one on the
 PFD, ...... >>

and don't forget decals for our cars and yaks!!!
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From: <LedJube_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:10:23 EST
In a message dated 2/9/00 8:22:37 PM, hlevin_at_jlc.net writes:

<< Will there be a secret handshake for the lurkers? >>

*whacking Hal over the head with my storm paddle*
It's supposed to be a SECRET handshake, Hal !!!

We'll work on it and get back to the group.........
Jed

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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:15:44 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 4:08:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jackie_at_intelenet.net writes:

<< Bob and I were married this past Christmas eve. :-)  >>
CONGRATULATIONS - and we didn't have a long thread about it??

BTW, is anybody doing any work today?  Poor PeterO - little does he know that 
while he was on his 36-hour trip back to Oz, his "Paddling with Sandy" 
message and my comment about inviting "strangers" to my home has launched a 
fantastic project with several spin-offs.

Speaking of which, despite being a cityphobe, I've convinced a friend who is 
also lusting after a K-Light to go to the folding kayak demo in NYC in April 
-either the 8th or the 22nd.  I hope they hurry up and decide which so I can 
search for cheap flights.
Anyone else planning to attend?

Sandy Kramer
Miami
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From: <MadPoodle_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:23:09 EST
In a message dated 2/9/00 3:55:24 PM, jackie_at_intelenet.net writes:

>I were married this past Christmas eve. :-)

Major congratulations! From what I know, he's a lucky guy.


As far as logo, love the paddle n owl...  PFD, well...., uhh gee, I really 
would love to see those beautiful feathers..  Decals a neat idea, now, about 
those t shirts.

Scott

Just north of Cuba
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From: David Seng <David_at_wainet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:03:11 -0900
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MadPoodle_at_aol.com [mailto:MadPoodle_at_aol.com]

> Decals a neat 
> idea, now, about 
> those t shirts.
> 
  I have no idea about the legal ramifications (and don't really care too
much about them) but it seems to me that if the logo were done using a
software package that can generate a vector graphic file format that the
logo could then be downloaded by PaddleWise members and re-sized infinitely
in order to place the image on any medium that they want.  Hat, t-shirt,
sweat-shirt, patch, button, etc.  
  Just a techy thought.  No idea how this fits in with artist's rights, etc.

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
(who is a short-timer at his current job and thus spending WAY too much time
during the day reading this stuff)
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From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:30:16 -0700
Here's a prototype I drew:
http://www.missoulaconcrete.com/shawn/paddlewise.gif

I ran with the first idea of an owl with a paddle in its beak; putting
the paddle under the owl wouldn't be a problem.  Both the owl is
feathered, as are both blades of the paddle! ;) 

Who was going to collect the images?

Opinions on color?

I like the patch idea as well. (I designed this image for stitching, but
a button could have better detail)

Shawn
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From: Karen Hancock <magpi_at_transport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:48:37 -0800
That's good Shawn! Jackie didn't designate anyone the keeper of ideas yet,
but I offered to take the job. If Jackie OK's it, I'll add it to my page.
Color: the yellow is bright, but I'd vote on a light blue (representing
water).
Thanks!
Karen


> Here's a prototype I drew:
> http://www.missoulaconcrete.com/shawn/paddlewise.gif
>
> I ran with the first idea of an owl with a paddle in its beak; putting
> the paddle under the owl wouldn't be a problem.  Both the owl is
> feathered, as are both blades of the paddle! ;)
>
> Who was going to collect the images?
>
> Opinions on color?
>
> I like the patch idea as well. (I designed this image for stitching, but
> a button could have better detail)
>
> Shawn
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From: Steve Jernigan <jernigan_at_chester.uccs.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:36:19 -0700
Hi All!
Couple of good ideas re. a paddlewise logo; I particularly like the bird in
the 'yak. Please remember tho, we aren't all kayakers!
In that light, then, here is another 1st take for your consideration.
Pardon the poor Q; it's only about 15KB. I slapped it together in haste
using itty bitty icons "borrowed" from various web-sites . . . If anyone is
interested, I'll do a higher res. version. Feel free to grab it and tweak
as desired.
http://chester.uccs.edu/paddlewise.gif
ByeBye! S.
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From: Andree Hurley <ahurley_at_viewit.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:53:16 -0500 (EST)
I kind of like the yellow with the owl - it's sharp, visible from a
distance, and does seem patch-like - reminds me of going to camp and
collecting patches to sew on my scarf. Maybe a good blue could go behind
the yellow...

Andree Hurley
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From: Karen Hancock <magpi_at_transport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo Announcement
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:54:14 -0800
It has been decided to form a committee to discuss the Paddlewise logo
selection and issues relating to its use on the webpage. I've forwarded the
submissions and ideas to Jackie for the committee's consideration.

All the logos were wonderful. Thanks for your ideas!
Karen

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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo Announcement
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 01:34:32 -0800 (PST)
Karen wrote:

> It has been decided to form a committee to discuss the Paddlewise logo
> selection and issues relating to its use on the webpage. I've forwarded the
> submissions and ideas to Jackie for the committee's consideration.

Well, actually, there has not been a final decision to form a committee.
There has been some confusion regarding logos. Mostly, there has been
some concern regarding copyright and use issues which have yet to 
be worked out.  My main concern is that a logo be made available to 
the PaddleWise folks here with a "clear title" :-).

Right now, the logo is being placed on the back burner but will hopefully
materialize by the time there will be some use for it.  I would like to
ask that any comments about this be conducted off the list so we can
keep the lines open for discussion on "paddling" issues :-) 

My apologies to the list for any confusion.

Cheers,

Jackie


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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:50:42
At 03:30 PM 2/9/00 -0700, Shawn W. Baker wrote:
>Here's a prototype I drew:
>http://www.missoulaconcrete.com/shawn/paddlewise.gif
At the moment, I think I like the simplicity of Shawn's approach, but love
the artistry of Karen's. This is gonna be tough!

-- Wes

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From: BaysideBob <vaughan_at_jps.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:59:47 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
> At the moment, I think I like the simplicity of Shawn's approach, but love
> the artistry of Karen's. This is gonna be tough!
> -- Wes

I've saved them all.  I'm gonna get some of that iron-on stuff this weekend
and put them on these plain T-shirts I have.  Keep 'em coming !

Bob



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From: Jim Tynan <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:16:43 -0600
Bob

Please hold off doing that with my design [blue background/gold Paddlewise
lettering].  The paddle is being used ONLY as an example.  Though not
copyrighted, it is from Sea Kayak Georgia's web page.  I'll talk with Dale
Williams of SKG as well as the artist for a formal OK [if not for a new one
altogether] -- tomorrow I hope.  Tried calling Dale today, but he wasn't in!
Will let you know just as soon as I have something concrete.

Thanks!

Jim Tynan
Pike Road AL

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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise


----- Original Message -----
From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
> At the moment, I think I like the simplicity of Shawn's approach, but love
> the artistry of Karen's. This is gonna be tough!
> -- Wes

I've saved them all.  I'm gonna get some of that iron-on stuff this weekend
and put them on these plain T-shirts I have.  Keep 'em coming !

Bob



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From: David Seng <David_at_wainet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:51:36 -0900
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Seng [mailto:David_at_wainet.com]
snip
> but it seems to me that if the logo were done using a
> software package that can generate a vector graphic file 
> format that the
> logo could then be downloaded by PaddleWise members and 
> re-sized infinitely
> in order to place the image on any medium that they want.  
> Hat, t-shirt,
> sweat-shirt, patch, button, etc.  

  Sandy, our sea faring gypsy-kayaker, back-channeled me with the comment
that this was too techie.  So maybe I can elucidate a bit - the thought was
spurred by two considerations:

1. If the file is in a vector graphic format it can be resized infinitely
without any image distortion.  If it is in a raster format resizing will
cause image distortion.  If the image can easily be manipulated then it
could easily be adapted to use on a variety of items or mediums.  (For more
info on graphic formats a good intro can be found at:
http://www.digitalid.com/vectorVSraster.html )

2. The key to the whole thought is that if the image were made freely
available as a download on the PaddleWise web site then it would be up to
each member to find a graphics shop, sewing shop, etc to create their own
patch, button, decal, hat, t-shirt, etc.  This would relieve any one member
from having to bear the financial burden of up front production expenses,
order processing, collection, and finally shipping.

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
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From: <JSpinner_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:01:50 EST
In a message dated 2/9/00 4:18:00 PM, Gypsykayak_at_aol.com writes:

<< and don't forget decals for our cars and yaks!!! >

    My thoughts exactly! 
    I'd like NOT a huge, long decal but maybe an oval or rounded triangle 
that is a nice bumper size that will not look tacky on the boat. Those big, 
blue bumper stickers I chiseled off the Meridian let me know how much I DON'T 
want something like that.
    I've found some kool owl art and I'm looking for a decent Europaddle art. 
I have a good Greenland paddle I can use but my thought is to play with 
different shapes. I like the silhouette idea but we might be able to do two 
colors with shades of them for the art. 
    For the bizillion of us with yellow boats, it would be nice to have two 
choices of colors so the things show up. If we want to get into the T-shirt 
angle I have contacts that might be good. At least I'm willing to try. I can 
do the art to send to the maker of the shirts and save us a dime or two.
    Did we have an end date on submissions? I need at least a week because I 
have other things that need doing as well but I'd like to be able to give 
this a real try.

Joan Spinner
   * * *
Watching the thaw on the Chesapeake Bay 
watershed. Sitting in the back yard a red, 
CD Breeze and a yellow/white Gulfstream now seatless 8^)  
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From: Arthur Hebert <seacajun_at_gs.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:48:27 -0600
>Bob from the Bayside wrote;
>Feathered or unfeathered?
>
My 2 cents;
I built a small scale "unfeathered" paddle for a freind to hang on the wall.
Although he and I both paddle feathered the unfeathered paddle just worked
better hanging on a flat surface.  Point I'm trying to make is I think a
unfeathered paddlewould would look more define (can't think of a better
word) on a logo.
So my vote would be a unfeathered paddle.
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From: Shawn W. Baker <baker_at_montana.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:43:59 -0700
I just originally went with the yellow because I recalled the "code" for
PW'ers meeting up at symposia last summer was supposed to be a yellow
ribbon with a black "P" on it.  Do I remember this correctly?  A year
later, who cares!

I can easily change the yellow to any other color; I'll work on a PFD
tonight.

Shawn
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From: <Bhansen97_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:23:22 EST
Jeez - Owls? Feathered and unfeathered? Vertical owls/horizontal paddles.... 
hortzontal owls, vertical paddles..... PFDs.....maybe a VHS...I'm surprised 
nobody's mentioned an owl with sponsons. - Bill Hansen
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From: Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:20:27 -0600
JPEGs do not scale well; it would have to be a large image to print well on,
say, a T-shirt or even a large button. I favor creating the image in a
vector drawing program, and then making it available in several formats
(unfortunately, there is no standard vector format). 

The ideas I have seen here pretty much parallel what I came up with after
mulling it over Tuesday. I would have an owl clutching a paddle in its
talons. The owl would be feathered; the paddle would be unfeathered (to show
its shape better). To show it is a wise owl, it would be wearing a PFD. I
would put a yellow disk outlined in black behind the owl (not surrounding
it), but the disk could be optional; for instance, it could be eliminated if
the logo is placed on a yellow button or kayak. Also, I favor keeping the
image as simple as possible without going to a silhouette. 

I won't be able to draw my version till next month at the earliest. I think
the final version might look best if drawn by a professional artist. We have
at least one on this list who might volunteer, but he is in Italy this week,
and doubtless has missed this entire discussion.

Chuck Holst

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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:12 PM
To: paddlewise
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise


Has anyone used those iron-on transfer things you can print out on a bubble
jet printer?

If they work as advertised the logo could be put on the website as a jpeg
and anyone could copy and print it and resize to fit whatever garment it was
ironed onto.

Bob
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:38:50 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 9:55:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
seacajun_at_gs.net writes:

<< So my vote would be a unfeathered paddle. >>
I agree.

Sandy Kramer
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logo for PaddleWise
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:43:56 EST
In a message dated 02/09/2000 10:57:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
baker_at_montana.com writes:

<< I just originally went with the yellow because I recalled the "code" for
 PW'ers meeting up at symposia last summer was supposed to be a yellow
 ribbon with a black "P" on it.  Do I remember this correctly?  A year
 later, who cares! >>

You remember correctly and it was Karen Hancock's suggestion.  I like bright 
yellow because I envision P'wisers spotting decals on luggage in strange 
airports and other venues.  I suggest a black border.  A round design lends 
itself nicely to decals, buttons, pins (tie-tack/hat pin type), patches.

Sandy Kramer
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From: Karen Hancock <magpi_at_transport.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Logos... a few words
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:41:21 -0800
It's really exciting to see how high enthusiam for this project is running
but let's keep in mind that Jackie has not yet announced any official plans
or acceptance of the idea.

In the meantime, hoping we'll get a thumbs up in the near future, I'm
posting submissions at this URL:  www.transport.com/~magpi/logos.html  so
keep checking in to see the latest. Please hold off on voting until some
announcement is made, and please keep submitting logos. Don't worry if you
don't have expensive graphics software or great artistic talent.You can
sketch your idea, scan it and send it in. I think most of the submissions
are works-in-progress at this point and we can expect many changes before
it's time to make selections.

I hope everyone will continue to offer their vision of the PaddleWise logo,
but I suggest we not limit the design at this point. Let's let creative
juices flow while excitement is high and see what list members come up with.
There may be wonderful concepts we have yet to consider.
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PaddleWise logo submissions can be seen at:
www.transport.com/~magpi/logos.html
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