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From: Jim Tynan <jim.tynan_at_home.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:19:47 -0500
Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would be
nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
with the filler cap.

Suggestions???

Jim Tynan
Pike Road AL

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From: <JSpinner_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:32:46 EDT
In a message dated 5/13/01 11:24:14 PM, jim.tynan_at_home.com writes:

<< Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would be
nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
with the filler cap. >>

Why don't you use one of the sun showers. They are easy to fill, have a stick 
with string for hanging it and a hose that you could change the nozzle on for 
pouring or showering/washing. Only problem is a bit of leaking but I think 
that could be fixed with some work, at least on mine. I don't care enough to 
fix it yet.

Joan
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From: Jack Fu <SeaDogJack_at_cablespeed.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:41:02 -0700
Check out REI's Water Sac. The bladder is inside a nylon sack
with carrying handles which are great for carrying and for hanging.
The same hole is used for filling and pouring. It has a cap that has
a flip spout built into it. It hold 3 gallons, but I can put two filled sacs
behind the seat in my Romany. They would also fit on the floor.

http://www.rei.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=489&prmenbr=800
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From: Jim Tynan <jim.tynan_at_home.com>
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Subject: [Paddlewise] Water bladder


> Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
> floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would
be
> nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
> with the filler cap.
>
> Suggestions???
>
> Jim Tynan
> Pike Road AL
>
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From: Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:41:52 -0400
How about a few platypus bags?

Jim Tynan wrote:

> Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
> floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would be
> nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
> with the filler cap.
>
> Suggestions???
>
> Jim Tynan
> Pike Road AL
>
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From: P.or.N. K. <peak_at_gis.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:59:00 -0400
>Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
>floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would be
>nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
>with the filler cap.
>
>Suggestions???
>
  I would rather carry four  or five of these than one big bladder 
which, if it broke could get me in big trouble.  I used the original 
of these. They are tough, but hard to clean.
http://www.dandfoutfitters.com/catalog/items/item1964.htm

I have never used these Msr products but they have a bunch of 
accessories available.  I think they are your best bet.
http://www.travelcountry.com/catalog/msr/index2.html  note the 10 
quart one at the bottom.

Again by carrying more than one you mitigate consequences of a single 
failure.  If this is a salt water expedition consider a pur 
desalinator. check out www.westmarine.com. Or find used large unit 
available on accessories section of paddling.net go to classified 
ads/ accessories/ then use their search for "pur" Big money though

All the best,

Peter K


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From: Jim Tynan <jim.tynan_at_home.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:19:23 -0500
Peter: Thanks!  It was the MSR dromedary bags I was thinking of.  I had come
across them many months ago.  If only I had remembered the term "dromedary"
as opposed to "container" and "bladder," my own search would have been more
effective.  Hey, I'm almost 50, what the hell!

Jack: I checked out REIs 3-gallon Water Sack.  They look good too!  I assume
you're happy with yours.  Any leakage?  Does the flip spout work well?

Richard: I carry Platypus bags now -- got about four 1.5 liter ones.  They
go into a small collapsible cooler -- frozen solid.  Depending on how hot it
is, they'll last up to two days.  They do a fine job keepin' the Guinness
cold - and then as a source of drinking water once they've served their real
purpose in life!!!  I considered the larger-volume bags, but decided to go
after one I could hang and draw from with the help of gravity.  I like that
concept for a three-day or more campsite arrangement.

Joan: Good idea on the sun shower.  Checked a few of them out and I liked
the 5-gallon Stearns model.  Seems it would work fine as long as it stayed
in a hatch.  Otherwise the water would be a tad warm for drinking, no?!?
Might just get one though for the shower option!!!

Anyhow, thanks to all who responded!  Great leads as usual!!!

Jim


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From: Jack Fu <SeaDogJack_at_cablespeed.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:55:44 -0700
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<snip?>
> Jack: I checked out REIs 3-gallon Water Sack.  They look good too!  I
assume
> you're happy with yours.  Any leakage?  Does the flip spout work well?

I'm happy with them. No leakage. Flip spout works well.


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From: P.or.N. K. <peak_at_gis.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:41:18 -0400
  <snip>
Check out REI's Water Sac. The bladder is inside a nylon sack
with carrying handles which are great for carrying and for hanging.
The same hole is used for filling and pouring.
<snip>

Dear Paddlewisers:

	After extensive use I am less  than enthusiastic about Rei 
Watersacks.  Hard to clean. In my experience spouts tend to leak 
after a season or two.  I often find water trapped between the two 
bladder layers after a bit of use.  Anything could be breeding in 
there.  That space between the layers is totally unsanitizable. 
(Microwaves are out for me, and I don't know if the plastic could 
take it).   Watersacks are a good, cheap, short and maybe medium term 
solution,  and the bladders and spouts are replaceable, but they do 
take some looking after.  Platypus, and Gregory are two much better 
engineered light multi-layered systems.  As earlier stated, I've 
never used the Msr bags but a one layer system is easier to clean and 
the things look  super rugged.


All the best,
Peter K.


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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:44:46 -0400
> Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on the
> floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.  Would
be
> nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the end
> with the filler cap.
> Suggestions???
>
    Not 5 gallons but 5 liters:  I've used the 5 liter bladders from those
boxes of wine. The spout comes apart easily to clean the whole thing out and
pops back together nicely.  Usually Mylar so very sturdy.  --And they're
somewhat pleasant to empty!
Joe P.


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From: Whyte, David <david.whyte_at_amsa.gov.au>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Water bladder
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:19:13 +1000
I would agree with Joe that wine bladders are great for carrying water.
I have been using them for years without any problems. They are quite
popular amongst kayakers in Australia, colloquially known as "Chateaux
de Cardboard" and come in a range of sizes - 2 litre, 4 litre and 5
litre. You can also get 15 litre ones but these are usually only
available at restaurants, night clubs or anywhere that sells wine by the
glass.  I sometimes put mine in a ripstop nylon bag for extra
protection. One of my kayaking partners carried his on the deck of his
cockpit. He has small loops fibreglassed to attach the bags to.

And as Joe said its great getting rid of the original contents

David


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From: Joe Pylka [mailto:pylka_at_castle.net]
Sent: Monday, 14 May 2001 3:45 PM
To: Paddlewise
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Water bladder


> Looking for a lead on a 5-gallon water bladder that will fit nicely on
the
> floor of a kayak.  Searched the web and have come up empty-handed.
Would
be
> nice if it had some gromets for hanging and a pour spout opposite the
end
> with the filler cap.
> Suggestions???
>
    Not 5 gallons but 5 liters:  I've used the 5 liter bladders from
those
boxes of wine. The spout comes apart easily to clean the whole thing out
and
pops back together nicely.  Usually Mylar so very sturdy.  --And they're
somewhat pleasant to empty!
Joe P.


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