From: TMitchell <tmitchell_at_hekizan.com I'll be getting a longer boat to either replace or supplement my well used Romany. Has anyone paddled the KS Millenium? Thoughts? Boats I've owned/paddled that might be comparable are the PH Sirius & Capella, NDK Explorer, Nordkapp and Mariner II and Express. Hello T, et al. I think the boat volume of Artisan Millennium is way much more than in these other boats you mention. Millennium is a good boat, but it is really big. If you are considering a Sirius, the difference is huge. I paddle a Romany Explorer (and have also paddled Sirius which i s a little bit too small for me, Mordkapp, which is ok, and Nordkapp Jubilee, which is a littel bit too big because the front deck is quite high) and would like to point out that the volume difference between those two is massive. In my kayak I sit tightly, in the Millennium I roll around in the seat and cockpit. The cockpit is quite large (I cannot remember if you can order one with small cockpit). The main thing was, that Millennium tended to turn sidewise in bigger waves and bigger winds. But note, that I think I am too small for the boat. Turning it is difficult, my hands are too short to turn it easily (I did not have a rudder only a skeg). I paddled about 70 km in quite bad weather with the boat loaded with weekend gear for camping. But if you are really big like two meters tall and heavy enough, it might be good. It is easy to pack, the seat is really good, the hatches big and watertight, and also the boat is well made and well designed for the right sized persons. It is very stable also. Anna Leena Lind alli_at_iki.fi *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/12/02 1:39:03 PM, tmitchell_at_hekizan.com writes: << Boats I've owned/paddled that might be comparable are the PH Sirius & Capella, NDK Explorer, Nordkapp and Mariner II and Express >> If you like a high volume boat you might look at the CD Gulfstream. It is in that class. Joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have to emphatically agree with Joan. If something were to happen to my Gulfstream and I could replace it with any boat made and money was NOT a concern, I would still get a CD Gulfstream. The boat is extremely stable in rough water (roughest I've been in was 25 - 30 knot winds with 6 - 10 foot swells). The boat is extremely maneuverable when edged but tracks well. The skeg is great for big following swells or really strong side winds. The only criticism I have for this boat is that it doesn't like to come straight in on a surf landing. If you own one, you will quickly learn how to side surf it in--which it does very easily. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi. Artisan is the most common kayak around here. It is long and seems to be designed for tall (and experienced) paddlers, so if someone has had bad experience with it in wind his/her size might be the cause of the trouble. -Millennium is actually larger and longer than the older models and has certainly more windage than my old Nordkapp so I have not considered changing my kayak. People give good feedback about the hatches and the company has paid a lot of time finishing the details. Lots of volume (and also quality) for longer expeditions so if you do only one-day trips maybe a smaller boat would suit your needs better. Maybe you should check the SK web-site for review? Cheers, Ari - Finland, scratching the ice from the foredeck and waiting for April... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The Milly, like the Viking from the last *boat review* thread, is a great boat, IMHO. It does everything a 18X22 is meant to do. While I believe this is a different ride altogether than the Gulfstream (16'10"X23.25), it is considerably more narrow, long, fast and sporty (read tippy) than the GS. It holds more gear as well .Both have similar tracking characteristics with efficient skeg systems. 2ndary stability is better in the GS, but plenty strong in the Milly. It edges well and is very neutral <IMNSHO a good thing>. I think for the sporty minded paddler wanting a spirited ride this boat is great. It handles wind and conditions well and is quite roomy for under 200 lb. paddlers. My wife (130 lbs) has used it on longer trips and our demo boat is gone on trips most of the season. Steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45º 39' 47" 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122º 36' 16" Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Photo links are at the end of the trip report Baja Journey We departed Oregon on December 26 at 6 am driving straight through to San Diego for 30 hours of grueling driving. Not something I would recommend. We picked up our tourist cards, purchased auto insurance and headed across the border. A member of our group had a 3-inch buck knife confiscated by customs. If you enter a federal facility single knife blades must be 2.5 inches or less. You can drive over the border with a knife but walking across the border and entering a Federal building with a 3-inch single blade knife is not permitted. Multi-tool knives longer than 3 inches were ok, but not single blades... go figure! We drove down to Mulege, about two thirds of the way down the Baja peninsula, it took 2 days of driving. Generally it is not advisable to drive at night on Mexico 1. The road was in good shape; it has been improved since the pothole days of the mid-1990s. There are still federal checkpoints along the route, but the soldiers were friendly and we generally passed on through without a search. We averaged about 60 mph all the way down. Mulege is a pleasant town on the Sea of Cortez there is a water purification plant where we purchased pure water for our trip. We started our journey at Ecomundo on the Bahia Concepcion just south of Mulege. http://home.earthlink.net/~rcmathews/ Ecomundo is an environmentally sensitive resort owned by a North American. They rent sea kayaks and have nice camping facilities (palapas) on the beach. We left our cars at Ecomundo for the duration of the trip and had no thefts or break-ins. We advanced our watches 2 hours, we called it Baja time. This encouraged us to rise well before dawn so we would ready to paddle as soon as we saw a glimmer in the eastern sky. We rose at 5 Baja time (3 am MST) swallowed some oatmeal packed our kayaks and headed out. We often started before sunrise our strobe lights winking in the darkness. We managed to get in some good paddling before the wind started blowing from the northeast. Traveling north up the Baja Concepcion we fought the head winds and finally stopped around noon. There were plenty of white caps and wind waves but they were small only about 12 to 18 inches. On December 31 we headed out to the Sea of Cortez the sea-changed character as we left the protection of the bay. The swells started at about 2 feet and gradually increased to about 3 feet. No breaking waves just gentle rollers. We generally tried to be off the water by 12 to 1230 (10 to 1030 MST) By midday we had strong north winds, beam seas with breaking wind waves and swells of about 4 to 5 feet. On New Years we were treated to a celestial event. We had a full moon, which rose as a huge brilliant orange orb. The Sea of Cortez was calm and filled with liquid gold. The Conquistadors would have jealously coveted this gold filled sea! On New Years day I was the lead boat we caught a slight tail wind so we were cruising along at about 4 mph, the small rollers lifting our boats. I watched the first glint of red then a burst of light across the water; the sky was a gradient of red, orange, then gold and azure blue. The gorgeous sunrise was the perfect celestial event to celebrate the New Year. We ended the paddle a bit early as the white caps increased. Sometimes the sea seems like a living breathing entity a wild and hostile place in our little boats. This was the first time I had my CD GTS heavily loaded and it responded beautifully; I was finally able to edge it without a hard lean, it felt very stable On shore we hiked into the wild rugged Baja interior enjoyed the cactus and did some spear fishing. We managed to catch some sea bass, perch, trigger fish and a skate. Surprisingly the skate was our favorite fish for eating. The humming birds danced around our camp. We had one day of fairly rough water swells of about 4 feet with wind waves. We rounded Pt Santa Rosa and the swells were quite steep and breaking. I would paddle always watching for oncoming breaking waves. I was happy when the paddling ended the constant concentration was tiring. I hiked out to the point and by mid afternoon the wind had increased and the swells were about 5 feet with breaking wind waves. We had a couple days of gentle paddling the skin of the sea settled from a wrinkled appearance to a soft oily look. We paddle leisurely about 3 mph and a pod of dolphins paid us a visit. They swam leisurely around us then spy hopped vertically to check us out. They suddenly made a sudden burst of speed leaping 4 to 5 feet in the air. It was an astonishing aerial ballet, 4-5 Dolphins leaping simultaneously. We watched flying fish skitter across the surface and the manta rays burst out of the water as they were feeding on plankton. The frigate birds soared overhead motionless, as if they were suspended on a kite string. I stopped and listened to squawking of gulls hiss of the surf and soft chatter of voices. It is best to round the points early in the morning before the wind picks up the reefs can have dangerous breaking waves. We tried to camp just before a point and round it early in the morning. We arrived in St Nicholas, as the afternoon winds arrived we had to make a careful entry from the breaking surf. We stopped in town to replenish our water. A man by the name of Chico has a lovely home and garden. We entered his compound, ruby red bougainvillea tumbling down his casitas. He is very friendly to kayakers; NOLS uses him as a re-supply point. He has a lovely garden and a good well. Chico gave us a tour of his garden, and we picked fresh oranges and grapefruits from his orchard. There is no electricity except for a few batteries and solar electric panels. He is completely self–sufficient with his garden, goats and chickens. Chico is a retired schoolteacher and is very proud of his garden. He is a reliable for water, but plan to spend time admiring his garden. He is in the main part of town at the end of the road, everyone knows him so his place is easy to find. He told us of the big typhoon they had this fall, and his well is still slightly briny, but the water is pure. The next 2 days the wind came up very early and the seas were rough. We needed good calm seas to round Pt. Pulpito. This area has sea cliffs with very few places to land in rough seas. An Outward Bound group ran into serious trouble here a few years ago. We were running behind schedule so we opted to end the trip in St Nicholas. As it turned out it was a good decisions because the folks at Ecomundo had been worried about us because strong Santa Anna types winds had been forecasted for a couple days. Some of the locals drove us to Ecomundo and we reluctantly departed. I had a VHS radio, channel 16 is monitored in Mexico, also channel 23 is often monitored by NOLS. We drove back slowly stopping at some small towns and interesting locations. We stopped for some hiking in Catavina area, then made a dash for the border. Gear report: I used a Trekkers tarp on the trip. It held up very well in the strong Baja winds, it never blew down. It handles 4 to 5 people sitting under it and will easily accommodate 3 folks sleeping under it. I used golf ball retrievers for poles (I removed the baskets), which worked very well. It gave me total flexibility on pole length, and the poles never collapsed (don ’t buy the cheapie ones). We pitched it in several different configurations including pitching it low on one pole to break the wind. I would give it 4 stars out of 4. We used a Seal Line Smart Track rudder system on the tandem Necky kayak. The tandem paddlers felt the rudder was not large enough to give them good steering control. The trip leader will be discussing the system with Seal Line (he is a dealer). 2 stars for the tandem system worked fine in my single. It is a joy to have solid foot pegs and a rudder that lowers effortlessly. I opted to bring a tent North Face Canyonlands; it packed small… about the same size as my ¾ length deluxe thermarest pad. It is not free standing but it also withstood the Baja winds very well. 4 stars. GSI Hard Anodized cookware worked superb! It is a pleasure to use this cookware, no scorching and minimal clean up! The 7-piece set worked well for 5 people. 4 stars! Coleman Excursion lantern is good and very packable, but Coleman need to improve the lantern. After about 3-4 uses it tend to fall off the metal ring. Bring lots of mantles if you use this lantern. 2-3 stars Freshette urine system worked! I was able to pee in my boat, some of the other women did not like it as well, but I thought it was a good system. 3-4 stars Nikon Cool Pix 990 worked well. It does great macro shots. I used an Ewa Marine cover for it and was able to take pictures, but it was a little awkward to operate controls. I wish Ewa had centered the glass over the Cool Pix lens a bit better, but it did protect the camera. 3 stars for Ewa, 4 stars for Cool Pix. I have GPS way points for all camps so if you need any let me know! Photos are up and here is the link: Baja! http://community.webshots.com/album/29072132eoUsqktUVI Baja 2 http://community.webshots.com/album/29076035YFAltswcEK Baja 3 http://community.webshots.com/album/29078646vehMNvnxQY visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. 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Well my CD GTS boat likes to track... I mean really likes to track straight. Turning it can be a challenge. When it is empty I have to lean hard and do sweep stroke to turn it. I noticed that when I had it heavily loaded it seemed to turn easier. It did not take a strenous knee lift. I have a couple of theories about it, but perhaps someone will have a better explanation. Theory 1 is that the boat is lower in the water so doesn't take much of a lean to get on the edge. Theory 2 is due to the extra weight it was easier to get on edge. I like my GTS but it is not an easy turning boat. Most of my kayaking is straight line point A to B so the strong tracking is great. I was impressed at how interconnected and interdependent the communities are in Mexico, it is something we have forgotten in the US. It is hard to find the same sense of community here. P'wisers excluded of course! -- MZ visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com You made a comment about the loaded kayak being easier to edge. I'ld be interested in hearing more about this if you have time? As I found that unexpected. Did the increased stability help? did you have to apply a more strenuous knee lift? Thanks again, PeterO *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. thanks sid *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 01/15/2002 6:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, snstone_at_msn.com writes: << I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. >> Swift told me a 4-piece would cost $300, so I ended up getting a Mitchell. I was able to get a blemished "seconds" for a good price. I hate it. I'm so used to my Swift graphite/carbon fiber (?) that this this thing felt sooo heavy and my arms were sore. I think I should have re-spoken with Swift and asked if that was for the standard translucent paddle. Seems to me that any manufacturer can convert any of their paddles to a four piece. it's just a question of sawing off the blade and installing the push-button mechanism. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Seems to me that any manufacturer can convert any of their paddles to a four > piece. it's just a question of sawing off the blade and installing the > push-button mechanism. > My recommendation earlier was to use whatever 4-piece paddle Feathercraft was putting its name on (i.e. they subcontract paddle manufacturers to make the paddles for them using proprietary design features) but I had assumed the same as Sandy says above. Now I am not so sure. I have a Werner Camano 4-piece that has a major problem. So much water gets into the paddle blade end area during the course of a trip that you really should empty this every few hours if not more often. Who wants to carry extra ounces at the blade end? The 4-piece I have from Feathercraft (mine dates back to when it was made by Aquabound but now I think they have Nimbus make it for them) takes on very little water at the ends, i.e. nothing to worry about. But the Werner is ridiculous in what it takes on. I have not talked to the company but someone else did. They told her that she was dipping her blade and shaft too deeply into the water. Seems a lame cop-out to me. While certainly a full dip well up the shaft is not a good paddling stroke, it is really hard to avoid placing a bit of the joint in the water even with good paddling technique. And what about sculling or draw strokes or rolling, all activities that definitely submerge a 4-piece paddle at its end joints? Another thing to be aware of with a 4 piece paddle. The blade ends themselves if separated will sink in dunked, i.e. they have little if any inherent flotation. I found this out one day at pool practice when I lent the blade portion of my Feathercraft one to a whitewater paddler who wanted to practice toward a hand roll. On one of his attempts he failed and let go of the blade, which quickly sank to the bottom of the pool. No big deal in a pool but a disaster if the blade were off the paddle on a dock and got accidentally kicked in. Would anyone with a 4-piece paddle care to share what their experience has been regarding buildup of water at the blade end during paddling as well as practicing sculls, draws and rolls? ralph diaz-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Try Werner. I have a 4-pc Werner Kauai, which weighs in at 28 oz. Niels > I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. > thanks > sid *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sid I was looking for a take-a-part paddle for my w.w. boat and found Lendal with there new lock system offers the smallest size and I thought strongest joint. Rather then a 3pc shaft Lendal's has removable blades and a 2pc shaft. You can have this option with any of there blades and shafts. JFF >I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. >thanks >sid -- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Try Aqua Bound and Werner. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
www.lendal.com At 16:55 15/01/02, Sidney Stone wrote: >I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. >thanks >sid > ============================================================================== Dr. Joshua Teitelbaum, Senior Research Fellow Tel: [972] 3-640-6448 Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and Fax: [972] 3-641-5802 African Studies Tel Aviv University Ramat Aviv, Tel Aviv 69978 Israel E-mail:teitelba_at_post.tau.ac.il www.dayan.org ============================================================================== *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
www.wernerpaddles.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Sidney Stone Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:55 AM To: PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net Subject: [Paddlewise] 4 Piece Paddles I am looking for manufacturers who offer 4 piece paddles. thanks sid *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kajak Sport ltd. (Finland) has produced Artisans for years. The older model was slightly smaller. Ari *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
So what exactly is the story with the new model? When did it come out to the USA? I remember being very impressed with the older Millenium at the West Coast symposium two years ago. Now that I know there's a difference, I believe that was the smaller model. I just examined the new Millenium last week at Alder Creek, and that boat was indeed huge. I also thought that the outfitting was a little cheaper than before, although still better than 99% of the other manufacturers. Kevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi, >So what exactly is the story with the new model? When did it come out to >the USA? I remember being very impressed with the older Millenium at the >West Coast symposium two years ago. Now that I know there's a difference, I >believe that was the smaller model. I just examined the new Millenium last >week at Alder Creek, and that boat was indeed huge. I also thought that the >outfitting was a little cheaper than before, although still better than 99% >of the other manufacturers. >Kevin I tried to check the designers web-site (www.kajaksport.fi) but no response. I think they started importing kayaks more seriously to USA only at the time of the first review. Personally, I am a little bit embarrassed about seeing kind of "oversized" models, but I am a smallish tiny middle-aged Finn... Maybe there is a strategy there, perhaps? A hamburger-kayaker-strategy? The teenagers seem to be getting taller & taller every year ;-) Ari - a tiny Finn, temps below F 32 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Anna wrote: > The cockpit is quite large (I cannot remember if you can order one > with small cockpit). My Treader told me in Octobre that the Artisan is no longer built with a small cockpit. My own Artisan 2000 is one with the small Cockpit, meanwhile I think a bigger one might had been better for me. But it gives me a dry ride. The Artisann 2000 came directly before the Millenium, but KS-OY had changed so many details on the Millenium, so its a really new boat and I can´t tell you how the Millenium would behave, because I don´t know it. The Artisan is great, best quality for your money on each KS-OY Kayak. I´m one of a few driving the Artisan without a rudder, but I miss it in waves running behind me (surf conditions). So I´d decided to built a single pedal system (placed on the bulkhead) and a V-rudder, quite difficult but the best way for my boat, I think. my 2 cents Jochen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Scherrer wrote: >The Milly, like the Viking from the last *boat review* thread, is a >great boat, IMHO. It does everything a 18X22 is meant to do. How does it compare to the Romany Explorer? shawn Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mr. Baker asks: >How does it (Millennium) compare to the Romany Explorer? > The Milly is more maneuverable, Explorer tracks better. The Milly has a oval stern hatch compared with the 8" round NDK hatch. The day hatch on the Explorer is bigger. Seat and cockpits are similar, tho the sloped rim of the Milly is sweet and allows for a layback. As Kevin said, the big padded footrests (KS) are like heaven! I personally like the skeg system on the Milly and I'm really NOT a fan of the wire NDK system. The NDK bungie system is OK tho not very precise. The workmanship between the two is a night/ day comparison. With NDK it's unusual to find a vessel without some issues. I don't even want to go there! With KS it has been top drawer for the 2+ years we been selling them. Hey, I sold my MOM a Viking! Give me the choice and I'd take either into any gnarly conditions. Can't say one is better than the other on paddleability! Hope this helps. When you come out in March we can do some A/B testing!!! Steve Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe N 45º 39' 47" 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr. W 122º 36' 16" Portland, OR 97217 Web: www.aldercreek.com Phone: 503.285.0464 Email: aldercreek_at_qwest.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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