Hello I have a couple of additional freeze-up questions similar to the one posted about the paddle. Has anyone had any issues with their paddlefloat valve freezing open or closed? This could potentially render it useless. Thoughts? Also, I typically clip my gear to the deck of my boat with a piece of rope and a caribeener of some sort (various styles). Any issues with these freezing up? Thoughts? Derek --------------------------------------------------------------- Please limit all email attachments sent to this address to a maximum of 0.5MB. All email attachments that are larger then 0.5MB will automatically be deleted. --------------------------------------------------------------- ICQ: 262152266, AIM: GlamourpetsD, MSN: [my email address], Yahoo Messenger: glamourpets --------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek wrote: >Hello > >I have a couple of additional freeze-up questions >similar to the one posted about the paddle. > >Has anyone had any issues with their paddlefloat valve >freezing open or closed? This could potentially >render it useless. Thoughts? > > Couldn't you simply stick it in your mouth to melt it? >Jim et al *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek wrote: > Has anyone had any issues with their paddlefloat valve > freezing open or closed? This could potentially render it > useless. Thoughts? > Most people I know that are paddling in extremely cold water, use a solid paddlefloat. I understand that it is very difficult to seal your lips around the valve when it is freezing outside. Steve Holtzman Southern Calif *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Most people I know that are paddling in extremely > cold water, use a solid > paddlefloat. I understand that it is very difficult > to seal your lips around > the valve when it is freezing outside. My understanding with the foam style is that they don't have nearly the same boyancy as the inflatable variey. If you need a paddlefloat during winter conditions, you are in danger. It seems to me that you are going to want all the boyancy you can get. Thoughts? Derek *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > Most people I know that are paddling in extremely > > cold water, use a solid > > paddlefloat. I understand that it is very difficult > > to seal your lips around > > the valve when it is freezing outside. > > My understanding with the foam style is that they > don't have nearly the same boyancy as the inflatable > variey. If you need a paddlefloat during winter > conditions, you are in danger. It seems to me that > you are going to want all the boyancy you can get. > Thoughts? > > Derek There are various sizes that the foam floats come in. If you're worried about buoyancy I'd say get the largest you can find. But a test in warm water would be called for, I think. And less buoyancy is OK as long as there is *enough* buoyancy. <grin> I guess that would depend on your skill level. The inflatables take longer to get into "working" condition. Several people have mentioned that it is difficult to control your breathing and to get a good seal on the inflation tube with your lips when you are in freezing water. So even if you can get the float inflated, it's still going to take several seconds longer to get the float ready. I've been in really cold water, once, and if it happens again, I want out of the water RIGHT NOW. I don't want to be wasting time trying to get an inflatable float ready for service. Then there's the danger of the plastic splitting or cracking in the cold. An inflatable with a leak is of no use at all. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Derek Pondered: >> Most people I know that are paddling in extremely >> cold water, use a solid >> paddlefloat. I understand that it is very difficult >> to seal your lips around >> the valve when it is freezing outside. > > My understanding with the foam style is that they > don't have nearly the same boyancy as the inflatable > variey. If you need a paddlefloat during winter > conditions, you are in danger. It seems to me that > you are going to want all the boyancy you can get. > Thoughts? What do you do if your lips freeze to the valve of your inflatable paddle float? Bradford R. Crain Department of Mathematics and Statistics Portland State University 724 SW Harrison St. 334 Neuberger Hall Portland, Or. 97201 e-mail: crainb_at_pdx.edu phone: 503-725-3127 fax: 503-725-3661 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 10/16/06, Bradford_Crain <crainb_at_pdx.edu> wrote: What do you do if your lips freeze to the valve of > your inflatable paddle float? > > I'm thinking that is about the time to switch to cross-country skiing. :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek wrote: > Hello > > I have a couple of additional freeze-up questions similar to the one > posted about the paddle. > > Has anyone had any issues with their paddlefloat valve freezing open or > closed? This could potentially render it useless. Thoughts? Derek, in hard freeze-up conditions dipping the paddlefloat valve in the liquid water repeatedly and then using the warmth of your mouth should free it. We do not get really cold conditions here, however ... maybe -5 C or so is as cold as it gets ... so I've not experienced this. Another preventative measure is to store it belowdecks, where your body heat in the cockpit might keep it warm enough not to freeze up. > Also, I typically clip my gear to the deck of my boat with a piece of > rope and a caribeener of some sort (various styles). Any issues with > these freezing up? Thoughts? These do freeze up, although the ones with relatively open gates are not difficult to bounce free. I suspect you'd be advised to minimize deck gear in subfreezing weather. What are you clipping to deck pad eyes, anyhow? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Hello > > I have a couple of additional freeze-up questions > similar to the one posted about the paddle. > > Has anyone had any issues with their paddlefloat valve > freezing open or closed? This could potentially > render it useless. Thoughts? > > Also, I typically clip my gear to the deck of my boat > with a piece of rope and a caribeener of some sort > (various styles). Any issues with these freezing up? > Thoughts? > > Derek > In conditions cool enough for water to freeze, I'd seriously consider a foam paddlefloat that does not require inflation. The time saved while in the water is one thing, plus there's one less thing to fail. The carabiner isn't going to freeze, but it might get a coating of ice on it that would make it difficult to use. As is the rope and any gear attached to it. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/16/2006 7:36:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, glamourpets_at_yahoo.com writes: Also, I typically clip my gear to the deck of my boat with a piece of rope and a caribeener of some sort (various styles). Any issues with these freezing up? Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not in balmy Washington state. But, I have friends that like to put their paddlefloats on deck. On one particular paddle waves freed them from their bondage on deck, unrolled and filled with water while the paddler was busy bracing. One guy capsized, rolled up, plucked his float up and got out of there. The other had to be helped out of her predicament. Unless you are using a seasock which likely precludes storing it in your cockpit, find a place behind your seat or make a place to keep it in your cockpit. Don't tempt the waves into stealing it and making a predicament out of you. Cheers, Rob G *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It has been my personal experience that solid paddlefloats suck! They are big and bulky and difficult to carry, and they have less floatation then the inflatables. I have not done a great deal of paddling in really cold water, but it would seem to me that if that was your inclination you should either have a bomb proof roll or be wearing a drysuit - or both! Either way I believe the paddler will find greater benefit from carrying an inflatable paddlefloat over the hard one. The extra seconds you may save are just not worth the overall aggravation. My 2 cents. Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> It has been my personal experience that solid paddlefloats suck! They are > big and bulky and difficult to carry, and they have less floatation then the > inflatables. I have not done a great deal of paddling in really cold water, > but it would seem to me that if that was your inclination you should either > have a bomb proof roll or be wearing a drysuit - or both! Either way I > believe the paddler will find greater benefit from carrying an inflatable > paddlefloat over the hard one. The extra seconds you may save are just not > worth the overall aggravation. > My 2 cents. > > Scott > So.Cal. I quite agree with your assessment of foam (solid) paddle floats. However, in really cold water, you lose a lot of ability to get an inflatable one blown up, and in really cold water, this is not something you want to be fooling around with. I go out in *quite* cold water once or twice a winter -- ice floating by and snow on the ground. I don't roll. I wear a dry suit, but even there, it doesn't take long in really cold water for the cold to sap your strength. And the drysuit doesn't do a thing to help your lips form a seal around the inflation tube, or to help control your breathing if you've gone underwater and you're gasping for breath and panting. The extra seconds you save can be the difference between making it or not. The drysuit also doesn't help at all to protect the plastic inflatable float from cracking in the cold, or catching on something in your cockpit when you drag it out, especially since your motor control is minimal at best in those conditions. And, finally, I still say that a leak in an inflatable in warm water in inconvenient; in icy cold water, it can be a killer. Do you check your inflatable *every* time you go out? I know I don't. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Darryl wrote: > However, in really cold water, you lose a lot of ability to get an > inflatable one blown up, and in really cold water, this is not > something you want to be fooling around with. I think that if you are that dependent on a paddle float in cold conditions, you are in conditions that are beyond your abilities. If you are solo, you should be able to roll. If you are in a group, you should be able to do an assisted rescue. If conditions don't allow an assisted rescue, find a fireplace and a cup of hot cider. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I think that if you are that dependent on a paddle float in cold conditions, you > are in conditions that are beyond your abilities. If you are solo, you should > be able to roll. If you are in a group, you should be able to do an assisted > rescue. If conditions don't allow an assisted rescue, find a fireplace and a > cup of hot cider. > > Mike I generally agree with this, but the original question was about whether an inflatable paddlefloat would freeze up when paddling on cold water and in cold weather. My reply was that I'd use a solid paddle float in those conditions. I do not roll, and have been unsuccessfull at learning. I tend not to paddle solo in "bad" conditions, but a paddlefloat re-entry is a useful tool in *my* arsenal of rescues. Even an assisted rescue -- in the times I've tried it -- goes faster with a paddlefloat helping out. Notice I have tried to stress the "I" and the "my" in all this. Some people insist on a roll. That's fine. We won't be paddling much together, since my attempts to learn a roll have been failures. Some people say don't paddle solo. That's fine too, but I paddle quite a bit out by myself. I probably wouldn't do a solo circumnavigation of Lake Superior any time soon though. In fact, I tend to get a wee bit nervous around people who start getting all dogmatic on me. But horses for courses. -- Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
From: kiayker Either way I Believe the paddler will find greater benefit from carrying an inflatable Paddlefloat over the hard one. The extra seconds you may save are just not Worth the overall aggravation. My 2 cents. Scott So.Cal. That brings up a question for me. What is the best type of float to have, solid or inflatable? Tom, Nanaimo, BC *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My inflatable paddle float has been relegated to the farther recesses of my kayak. I took my small swimming kickboard and made a paddle float out of it. It's a little bulkier, but I can do a re-entry roll with it all day long. The stiff flat face makes for a more natural sweep stroke and gives me enough bouyancy to make up for my lack of technique. Once back inside, it can be used to make paddle strokes a lot easier than the regular float. So I just keep it on whilst my electric pump returns the sea water to it's rightful place. Mark Sanders http://sandmarks.home.comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of kiayker It has been my personal experience that solid paddlefloats suck! They are big and bulky and difficult to carry, and they have less floatation then the inflatables. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Do you have any pics of your modifications on your website, Mark? I have one of these kickboards and it seems to me that securing anything to it that would hold the paddle would simply tear up the foam. But I could be vision-challenged in this regard. :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA On 10/16/06, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_comcast.net> wrote: > > My inflatable paddle float has been relegated to the farther recesses of > my kayak. I took my small swimming kickboard and made a paddle float out of it. It's a > little bulkier, but I can do a re-entry roll with it all day long. The stiff > flat face makes for a more natural sweep stroke and gives me enough bouyancy > to make up for my lack of technique. Once back inside, it can be used to > make paddle strokes a lot easier than the regular float. So I just keep it > on whilst my electric pump returns the sea water to it's rightful place. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: >Do you have any pics of your modifications on your website, Mark? I do now! http://sandmarks.home.comcast.net Mark Sanders *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I sorta figured one might appear. That looks simple enough to just whack one out. I wonder if Big5 has them on closout. I just hope no one else looks. <grin> Thanks Mark, Craig Jungers Royal City, WA On 10/17/06, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_comcast.net> wrote: > > Craig Jungers wrote: > >Do you have any pics of your modifications on your website, Mark? > > I do now! > > http://sandmarks.home.comcast.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Living in Alaska I always paddle in cold water and I always use a solid paddle float because: *Inflatables can puncture, valves can leak or stick open or closed. *Solid floats save time since they are always inflated *Mine is homemade and has equal floatation to any inflatable I have seen. *In rough seas the longer it takes to blow up and rig a paddle float the more chances of something going wrong. *If you have been battling rough seas for a long time and flip you may not have much breath left to inflate the paddle float. *In very cold water even with a dry suit you are going to experience a temperature change and for some this makes it hard to get a deep breath. * My solid paddle float doubles as a kneeling pad while I am loading my boat. This keeps barnacles from ripping the knees out of my dry suit. During the summer I have seen extreme differences between the water temperture and the air temperture. The water this past summer never got above 50 (40 down by the LeConte) Yet a couple days the air temperature reached into the low 80's. A dry suit in 80 degree weather is way too hot so I go with Hydro skin. So if I flipped the hydro skin would keep me warm enough to do a paddle float rescue provided I didn't have to blow the thing up! Also in the past we have discussed gasp reflex where some people inhale by reflex when their head hits cold water. Coughing up water and blowing up a paddle float are not compatablable activities. Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Derek wrote: > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:14 AM > > My understanding with the foam style is that they don't have nearly > the same buoyancy as the inflatable variey. If you need a paddlefloat > during winter conditions, you are in danger. It seems to me that you > are going to want all the boyancy you can get. Derek, I have both an inflatable (my main safety device) and a rigid float (used primarily when I was learning to roll). It's easy to do a paddlefloat recovery with either. In cold water, the rigid float is much faster because you don't have to inflate it. The most important thing is to get out of the cold water ASAP. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Holtzman wrote: > It's easy to do a paddlefloat recovery with either. I've come across a lot of paddlers who are too heavy to use a typical solid paddle float. Even when doing a reasonable re-entry, the paddle sinks to the point where re-entry is impossible. Large paddlers would have to find (or make) an unusually large solid float to substitute for an inflatable. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike wrote: > I've come across a lot of paddlers who are too heavy to use a > typical solid paddle float. Even when doing a reasonable > re-entry, the paddle sinks to the point where re-entry is > impossible. Mike, I'm fairly large at 230 lbs. Where I paddle, the water is warm enough that an inflatable is not a problem to use in the winter but I have practiced with a Northwater foam float that I purchased when I was first learning to roll. It hasn't presented any problems for me. Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm pretty big. I had to use a sofa cushion. Mark Sanders http://sandmarks.home.comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Michael Daly I've come across a lot of paddlers who are too heavy to use a typical solid paddle float. Even when doing a reasonable re-entry, the paddle sinks to the point where re-entry is impossible. Large paddlers would have to find (or make) an unusually large solid float to substitute for an inflatable. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Darryl" <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote <Snip>>>>>The inflatables take longer to get into "working" condition. Several people have mentioned that it is difficult to control your breathing and to get a good seal on the inflation tube with your lips when you are in freezing water. So even if you can get the float inflated, it's still going to take several seconds longer to get the float ready. I've been in really cold water, once, and if it happens again, I want out of the water RIGHT NOW. I don't want to be wasting time trying to get an inflatable float ready for service. Then there's the danger of the plastic splitting or cracking in the cold. An inflatable with a leak is of no use at all.<<<<< You seem to be missing the fact that an inflatable can be stored in the inflated or semi-inflated condition if one wants to do it that way for any reason. For those without a reliable roll this can allow it to be used to do a float roll so they don't have to bail, reenter and pump out. Of course, if inflated in advance, it now has the bulk disadvantage of a foam float (but also the advantages--except for the chance of somehow puncturing it while doing the rescue). Stored this way one also knows that the inflated chamber is capable of holding air, so testing happens naturally. The rescue float I designed had two separate chambers and each was plenty large enough to work just fine even with sloppy technique. In fact, inflating both chambers didn't increase the volume much at all. Also, the urethane coated nylon used in the better inflatables does not get excessively stiff or crack in cold conditions (as does the vinyl coated material). The valves in vinyl coated material can rip out much easier than in urethane coated nylon material as well. If the valve stems are red where they connect to the fabric it is probably made with the better urethane coated nylon. Even with a single chambered paddle float, unless the leak is a fast one a paddle float rescue would still be possible. Matt Broze www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thursday 26 October 2006 17:14, Craig Jungers wrote: > On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: > "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" > > I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) You should have brought a pedal-operated generator - the army used to use those! Much better than cord ;-)! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: >> "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" >> >> I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) > > You should have brought a pedal-operated generator - the army > used to use those! Much better than cord ;-)! I say forget it. As the Inuit said after his kayak burned to the waterline, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too! Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 10/30/06, cholst_at_bitstream.net <cholst_at_bitstream.net> wrote: > > >> On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" > >> > >> I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) > > > > You should have brought a pedal-operated generator - the army > > used to use those! Much better than cord ;-)! > > I say forget it. As the Inuit said after his kayak burned to the > waterline, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too! If he'd been an Intuit he'd have known better. :) Craig Jungers Royal City, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 07:59, you wrote: > On 10/30/06, cholst_at_bitstream.net <cholst_at_bitstream.net> wrote: > > >> On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >> "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" > > >> > > >> I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) > > > > > > You should have brought a pedal-operated generator - the army > > > used to use those! Much better than cord ;-)! > > > > I say forget it. As the Inuit said after his kayak burned to the > > waterline, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too! > > If he'd been an Intuit he'd have known better. :) > There are many weird guys out there for sure! Saw on youtube.com part of the British TV-program Top Gear (mostly about cars) where they designed and tested their own style amphibious cars - a bit like Scrapyard Wars (Junkyard Wars here in Europe, I think), but they were allowed to seek outside assistance in building them and then the three prgram hosts competed against each other - just lovely - see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAWu6uV9gSA&mode=related&search= For those who enjoyed it try the Caravan Holiday Nighmare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s6u-WQPhIs&NR Enjoy! Tord *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> On 10/30/06, cholst_at_bitstream.net <cholst_at_bitstream.net> wrote: > > > > >> On 10/17/06, Darryl <Darryl.Johnson_at_sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >> "Darryl (I'd like to get a fireplace on my kayak though)" > > >> > > >> I tried an electric blanket but I ran out of extension cord. :) > > > > > > You should have brought a pedal-operated generator - the army > > > used to use those! Much better than cord ;-)! > > > > I say forget it. As the Inuit said after his kayak burned to the > > waterline, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too! > > > > If he'd been an Intuit he'd have known better. :) > > Craig Jungers > Royal City, WA But if I'd been an Intuit, at least my finances and taxes would be in order. Would I be allowed to hunt and fish in National and Provincial Parks though? -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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